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Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 01:44 PM Mar 2018

The Divine Feminine Aspect

Last edited Sat Mar 31, 2018, 08:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Someone here alluded to feminism and religion the other day and it got me thinking about a few things. The ideas I'm about to convey would be considered heretical by many Christians, but I think there are just as many who would welcome them.

Carl Jung, the famous psychiatrist, wrote extensively about symbolism in the Christian faith, and he once said that he was a believer in the God of the Bible. But his take on Christianity was much different than you'll hear in Church on Sunday mornings. For one thing, he believed in a divine feminine aspect. He said that there was evidence that in early Christianity Mother Mary was considered an aspect of God divine in her own right. In his view the trinity was actually originally a quaternity with the feminine aspect considered to be a part of God. Jung was really into dream symbolism and he thought dreams of squares and rectangles were particularly poignant , even bordering on sacred- the four points of the square being symbolic of this ancient quaternity concept that probably actually pre-dates Christianity, but found it's ultimate expression through Christianity, at least in the very early days of the church.

Interestingly, in many parts of Latin America Mother Mary has been elevated to deity status. She appears to be much more revered there than in America and Europe.

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The Divine Feminine Aspect (Original Post) Tobin S. Mar 2018 OP
All I know is the smartest people usually are women, the most decent also Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #1
I agree, Eliot. Tobin S. Mar 2018 #2
I was raised as Catholic as they come... jodymarie aimee Mar 2018 #3
Goddess bless you, jodymarie aimee. :) Tobin S. Apr 2018 #6
All of creation is a part of the Creator. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #4
I think so, too. Tobin S. Apr 2018 #5
I just posted an article about the Pope and the concept of hell. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #7

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
1. All I know is the smartest people usually are women, the most decent also
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 01:45 PM
Mar 2018

OK there are as many smart men as women, but where women leave us in the dust is in decency

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
2. I agree, Eliot.
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 01:50 PM
Mar 2018

Women seem to be much more civilized than men in our culture, generally speaking. Men are much more likely to get inflated egos and to get lost in a lust for power in our culture.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
3. I was raised as Catholic as they come...
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 05:26 PM
Mar 2018

12 years of nuns as teachers, didn't have a lay teacher until college...my Dad became a Catholic priest in his 40s....I can tell you when things go bad, I still out of habit pray to Blessed Mother and my Nana(grandmother).

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
6. Goddess bless you, jodymarie aimee. :)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 04:06 PM
Apr 2018

I think it's natural for a woman to think of God as a woman, and by the same token for a black man to think of God as a black man, a Latina to think of God as a Latina, and so on. The reason being is because that's the truth of the matter. God is in the core of everyone's being. So, of course, God is like all kinds of people.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
5. I think so, too.
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 04:02 PM
Apr 2018

The denial of God is really a denial of our very essence.

My religious journey started about two years ago...at least me being conscious that it was a religious journey started at that time or somewhere around there. It's actually been a life-long journey. I called myself an agnostic up until then for most of my life. I actually subscribed to the atheist point of view of materialism, but I left the door open for other possibilities. It's a big universe after all.

My inquiry into theology greatly intensified with a vision of hell that I had this past Thanksgiving. It wasn't the fire and brimstone kind of deal. It was the naked experience of my reality. The truth of my existence stripped bare of delusion. My wife has been a Christian her entire life and we know a few priests who have become good friends of the family. I consulted with them. One of them told me that he thought of hell as simply the absence of God, and he referred me to the theologian Paul Tillich who, writing in the 1940s, subscribed to a similar view. Tillich thought of sin as being a state in which one is separated from God and grace as being the union with God.

I also read authors and philosophers of other faiths, and I have run across those same ideas numerous times- that is, hell is separation and heaven is connection. I admire the Buddhist teacher Sharon Salzberg and she wrote an entire book on this subject called Real Love. She describes real love as connection. Not only with our families, but as something that starts with the acceptance of our true being within and with work radiates outward to encompass all of humankind. The Bible says that God is Love and I think it is the most important lesson to be learned from Jesus who loved all of humanity to the point of the ultimate self-sacrifice.

So, in my view, those who believe in love as something other than just another evolutionary survival tactic are on the right track even if they don't subscribe to any religion. By simple math, if one believes in the transformative power of love then one believes in God even if they don't think so.

In America, we are a society of people who are largely in hell despite all of our wealth because we are cut off from each other. The disunion is so extreme that most of us are cut off from the reality of our true Selves which reside in love and compassion for ourselves and our fellow human beings. I've been reading Thomas Merton lately and he says that to dwell in God we have to address our own feelings of unworthiness for ourselves. Once one truly realizes that God loves us no matter who we are, and we put our trust in that, the transformation begins. The heart starts to open and we begin to heal.

That is the story of me beginning to awaken. I've got a lot more work to do, but I'm happy to be doing it now that I have had a glimpse of grace. All of this struggle I've been going through is not meaningless and hasn't been for nothing.

I know I'm preaching to the choir when I speak to you about such things, guillaumeb. I'm putting this post here for anyone who might come across it. And seeing as how I'm kind of new, at this point, on DU when it comes to speaking of spiritual matters.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. I just posted an article about the Pope and the concept of hell.
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 07:35 PM
Apr 2018

I would agree that lack of community is a major issue today. Community in the sense of the larger community of humans on earth.

Sartre called hell other people, and that, to me, is the essence of Libertarian philosophy.

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