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Death penalty declared inadmissable in the Catholic Catechism. (Original Post) Willie Pep Aug 2018 OP
What does that mean exactly MattP Aug 2018 #1
Prior to this it was church doctrine that the death penalty was allowed in some circumstances Jake Stern Aug 2018 #2
Yesterday, I had an argument on Facebook about precisely that Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2018 #3
Yeah that tends to be a great big two by four in the eyes of conservatives 47of74 Aug 2018 #4

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
2. Prior to this it was church doctrine that the death penalty was allowed in some circumstances
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:24 AM
Aug 2018

That wiggle room allowed Catholic politicians and judges to impose the death penalty while claiming to remain "faithful to church teachings".

This change by Pope Francis says that the church is against the death penalty in ALL situations, closing that loophole.

Conservative Catholics are already soiling their drawers over this. For decades they've sanctimoniously tut-tutted Pro-Choice Catholics as being in rebellion against the church but now they can no longer openly support state sanctioned murder without also being in rebellion against church doctrine.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
3. Yesterday, I had an argument on Facebook about precisely that
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 05:52 AM
Aug 2018

I called it "Cafeteria Catholicism, conservative style". She didn't want to admit that was what she was doing. "The pope is wrong! That means it's not cafeteria Catholicism." I told her, "No, the pope disagrees with you, and you are placing your judgment above his. That is the definition of Cafeteria Catholicism. You just aren't honest enough to admit it."

God, it felt good saying that. Schadenfreude can be fun.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
4. Yeah that tends to be a great big two by four in the eyes of conservatives
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:07 PM
Aug 2018

Even back during the reigns of John Paul II or Benedict XVI they tended to practice Cafeteria Catholicism quite a bit. They loved to hit our side over the head with the Cafeteria Catholicism argument when it worked for them, but when either man did or said something they didn't agree with they'd ignore what the Popes said.

And now that we have Pope Francis pretty much everything about the Pope being infallible and we have to listen to the Pope went right out the window with many conservatives. And Francis himself is still fairly conservative. If he was half the liberal the right likes to accuse him of being we'd have female and married priests right now.

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