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Related: About this forumGermans angered over Catholic Church's decision to deny sacraments
In recent years, more and more Catholics have been refusing to pay it. But last week, Germanys Catholic Bishops said no more. If you dont pay the tax, you dont receive communion and other religious services.
A German court just ruled the church was within its rights to say no.
In the town of Dachau, some 20 minutes outside Munich, theres an old, well-tended Catholic graveyard on a hill. If you want to be buried there, with a priest presiding and praying for your soul, but you havent paid your church tax forget it. Same goes for having your kids baptized or even receiving communion.
http://www.pri.org/stories/politics-society/religion/germans-angered-catholic-church-decision-deny-sacraments-taxes-11680.html
Walk away
(9,494 posts)The Catholics are always going on about how much good they do everyone else. If they really want to do some good then maybe they should pay for their keep instead. I am guessing many more people would be helped that way and without a dose of Jesus or Jehova propaganda to go with the aid.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)From how I read the article, that German state imposes a tax on religious members
and worse yet, the Catholic Church enforces it!
So obviously no separation of church and state, on top of discriminating against Jews and Christians....not good at all.
Sounds like non-Christian religions do not get taxed in Germany.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,400 posts)Churches decide to tax their members; they can then further decide to get the government to collect it on their behalf (the government takes a fee).
require the taxation authorities of the state to collect the fees from the members on the basis of income tax assessment (then, the authorities withhold a collection fee), or
choose to collect the church tax themselves.
In the first case, membership in the community is entered onto a tax document (Lohnsteuerkarte) which employees must surrender to their employers for the purpose of withholding tax on paid income. If membership in a tax-collecting religious community is entered on the document, the employer must withhold church tax prepayments from the income of the employee in addition to other tax prepayments. In connection with the final annual income tax assessment, the state revenue authorities also finally assess the church tax owed. In the case of self-employed persons or of unemployed taxpayers, state revenue authorities collect prepayments on the church tax together with prepayments on the income tax.
If, however, religious communities choose to collect church tax themselves, they may demand that the tax authorities reveal taxation data of their members to calculate the contributions and prepayments owed. In particular, some smaller communities (e.g. the Jewish Community of Berlin) choose to collect taxes themselves to save collection fees the government would charge otherwise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax#Germany
Until now, the Catholic church hasn't worried if you paid the tax when you take communion, or have a Catholic burial. Now, they've decided that, rather than just telling members they ought to sign up to pay the tax, they won't get the basic 'benefits' without it.
okwmember
(345 posts)But given my experience in Switzerland, I expect its more complicated than that. Of course there its based on the canton you live in and the tax can be compulsory even for a businesses. As a person who is no longer a member of any religious organization, what I've wondered is if I'm being taxed, am I still responsible for tithing?
Of course, my experience with the church's I have associated with the answer is usually yes.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Only the main congregations use the church-tax tool to collect money:
Roman-Catholics, Old Catholics, Unitarian Protestants, Evangelicals, the Free-religious and Jews. (There are dozens of minor christian sects who don't.)
If you are muslim or atheist, you can just check the box at "no, thanks" in the form and that's it.
As I understood it, the church-tax was invented by the state to pay the churches back for all the stuff they do for communities. It's just that instead of donating your 10% to church, the now 8% get collected by the state and then redistributed to the various churches.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)I am not talking about the European model. I am just suggesting that if the leaders of ALL churches won't pay taxes to the government the their members should have to.
Maybe people would think twice about updating their belief systems to the real world if they had to make up in taxes the money their churches cheat us out of.
Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)To the churches?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,400 posts)but I can't find a source for that, so how reliable it is (or if that's just for, say, the Catholics, or for all, averaged), I don't know.
Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)Or is all the money pooled? Do atheists not pay?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,400 posts)No, it's not pooled - the precise amount for each denomination in each area is worked out and sent to it. Only those who specify one of the denominations that get funds collected this way pay (so far, that only seems to be some Christian and Jewish denominations).
If a religion does get official recognition, it can also get its holidays recognised, and get your religion included in school curricula - see eg http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/hamburg-gives-muslims-right-to-religious-holidays-a-850241.html
rug
(82,333 posts)So, no, atheists do not pay it.
rug
(82,333 posts)The state law is a vestige of the Middle Ages.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Matthew 11: 30, IIRC.