Religion
Related: About this forumDid Jesus sing and dance?
I got here in a roundabout way. I was looking for a song that asked the question, "what key did Jesus sing in?"
I couldn't find it but google provided me with other leads such as the OP title. Here is the first article it led me to:
Article by Tony Reinke
Senior writer, desiringGod.org
Jesus sings.
If Scripture didnt say it, I wouldnt either. But its true. In four places in Scripture we read that Jesus, the Son of God himself, raised his voice in worship.
Which is immediately confusing on one level. It's not that there's anything wrong with singing, just that I imagine our Savior much better suited as the silent recipient of adoration and worship.
. . .
We read that Jesus sang a hymn with the disciples at the conclusion of the Lords Supper. It was just before he set out to pray on the Mount of Olives. In their fellowship, Jesus lifted up his voice and sang a hymn, a customary finale to a Passover meal together. And thats it. The biblical writers have little more to say about it.
Very likely this song was some portion of Psalm 114118, and very likely it was sung antiphonally, meaning Jesus led the men by singing a line, and the disciples responded by singing a Hallelujah.
---
Here's what kills me. Despite his first sentence, he goes on to say what scripture doesn't. He even tells what song he sang and how the apostles sang back-up.
This is the state of Biblical scholarship. Take a book of made up myths, and then make up your own BS to go along with it.
Girard442
(6,087 posts)"Doot-do-doo, doot-do-doo-doo".
Apologies to Lou Reed.
Nice.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)And then get miffed if not everyone cheers.
marble falls
(57,405 posts)But your question reminded me of this. I hope I don't offend you with this:
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,995 posts)I mean, he threw a lot of rockin' parties with, undoubtedly, incredible jazz music, but inquiring minds want to know if he ever sang along or cut a rug?
ETA: I know, I know. Literalists are going to tell me that I should refer to him as James Gatz, but I'm actually interested in the period of time during his life when he was Gatsby. I'm quite sure James Gatz danced (I mean, that's where he met Daisy). Oh, sorry. Spoilers.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)I would have to look it up in detail, but IIRC the passage of the book was about ancient greek hymns. (Yeah, Ancient Greece is not Israel, but that's the best estimate I have.)
And IIRC they were described as melodic speaking (similar to a poem-recital, rather than using a singing-voice), combined with strong rhythms speaking to man's wild heart.
I don't remember what exactly the book said, but I do remember that the description of these hymns (spoken words + primal rhythm) reminded me very much of rap-music.
(The book was from the 1960s, so the author didn't know the concept of rap-music.)
And it makes sense to think that songs in Ancient Greece sounded like that, because their culture was dominated by theater, poems and speeches.
As for Israel, no idea.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Your claim about Reinke is:
However, in the apparent excerpt that you provided, Reinke actually said:
---
I bolded the relevant part to make it even easier.
So Reinke actually said, speaking of Jesus, that it was very likely that He sang a particular song, but you transform this very likely to a definite claim by Reinke.
So, speaking about making up BS, what do you say about your argument?
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)nt
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Nice dialogue on your part. Sorry that I had to point out the misreading, but it was quite obvious. I understand the apparent need of some to criticize theists, but it would help your case if you actually had a basis here.
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)I don't need no stinking basis to point out the idiocy of biblical scholars who make shit up. And "very likely" is saying he is making shit up.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And you do not understand that a supposition is not a declarative statement?
If both apply, I understand your apparent misreading.
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)I'm calling the guy a flake. How about you?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)An opinion that, based on the Bible, Jesus sang and danced.
He also has a supposition, that he admits is not provable, and he supposes that Jesus would have sung a particular Psalm.
sarisataka
(18,857 posts)" a book made up of myths" is not the question then moot?
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)But the guy who wrote the article acts like he has the video of JC and the Sunshine Chorus.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)he did not. But I understand the apparent need for this type of attitude. And the mis-framing that is needed to support it.
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)The guy made up shit. It makes no difference that he said "very likely."
It only would have been correct if he had said, "here is some bullshit I just made up."
You can get off that horse now because no one is buying your BS.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)He expressed an opinion, and you made that expression of an opinion sound like a definitive statement of fact.
So when you repeat the line about BS, do you realize how that sounds? Your following of the 11th Commandment imperative is visible.
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)He even mentioned by number the Psalm he supposedly said. I don't care what codifier he used, he still painted a picture of Jesus getting down with his homies.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Here it is again as it appeared in your original post:
---
I see 2 possibilities:
1) You misread the use of the words very likely, confusing them for a definitive statement, or,
2) there is another agenda at play.
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)It's not making a difference.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)We must agree to disagree.