Interresting news: Drive-In Jesus

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

I found myself back living in Florida not long ago and wanting to make a film that took on that idiosyncrasy. Driving from my parents’ house on the A1A highway along the east coast, I stumbled upon the Daytona Beach Drive-In Christian Church. At first the idea of sitting in a car to go to church seemed deranged to me. What could be more vacant of spirituality and human connection than going to church sealed off in the most alienating of American inventions, your car?

Religion is one area where socialization takes place. School is another, prison another. But at first glance, this seems like the anti-social alternative.

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[trotsky]

1. "anti-social"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antisocial

Definition of antisocial
1 : averse to the society of others : unsociable
2 : hostile or harmful to organized society; especially : being or marked by behavior deviating sharply from the social norm

You just used a very judgmental word to describe people whose idea of church is just different than yours.

[guillaumeb]

2. It is best to read, and refer to, the entire sentence, rather than selectively quote.

You seized on the phrase anti-social. I did use that very phrase, it is true. What you did not do was reference the entire sentence. Allow me to deconstruct what I said.

Here is the original:

But at first glance, this seems like the anti-social alternative.

Starting at the beginning, we have the words "At first glance". This sets up the idea that a second glance is coming, or there would be no need to begin in this way.

After that set-up, so to speak, we have the words "this seems". Combined with "At first glance", this sets up the reader to anticipate something different.

So reading the entire sentence, and the article itself, do you still arrive at the conclusion that my intent was to describe these people as anti-social?

[trotsky]

3. It's a condescending judgment on your part.

And no amount of your spin changes that.

[guillaumeb]

4. No, it is a misreading, deliberate or not, on your part.

And no amount of selective quotation can change that.

[trotsky]

5. Your opinion is noted.

Others can judge for themselves.

[guillaumeb]

6. It is well for me that they can.

[trotsky]

8. Oh, indeed.

But probably not in the way you think. n/t

[Lordquinton]

7. I like the part where church was compared to prison

That's something I can agree with.

[guillaumeb]

9. Yet another selective reader?

The entire sentence:

Religion is one area where socialization takes place. School is another, prison another. But at first glance, this seems like the anti-social alternative.

Now please explain how, by mentioning places where socialization occurs, that I equate these areas.

[Lordquinton]

10. Right here

Religion is one area where socialization takes place. School is another, prison another.

[guillaumeb]

11. The only similarity is that socialization occurs in all three places. Among other places.

[Lordquinton]

12. But you equated them

Maybe you should think your comparisons through a little further. Although I do agree we're building our schools a little too much like prisons.

[guillaumeb]

13. Any group of people can be "equated" with any other group of people

in that both are groups. Do you have a point? Saying a church group is similar to a prison fellowship group in that both are groups in which socialization can occur implies nothing else.

Just as the Boston group of atheists is a group, and socialization to group norms can take place. Does this count as an equivalence in your view?

[Lordquinton]

14. I think you've gone so far in your justifications that you've lost the plot

You went from trying to make a point to expanding the definition into meaninglessness.

The comparisons you call out mean something, and when you pair church, school, and prison, you are making a point about how they are similar.

Unless your whole point it to muddy the waters so much that things lose meaning.

[guillaumeb]

15. My point, as you noted, was in naming areas or palces or groups in which

socialization takes place. And I felt that your response had overtones unrelated to my point. If I am in error in what I felt about your post, it is not a reflection on you but on me.

[Lordquinton]

16. I was commenting on what you had (allegedly) unintentionally said

The comparison of churches to prisons felt apt to me.

[guillaumeb]

17. I totally missed the point.

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