New Religions: (1) the United Church of Bacon

[Yorktown]

About the Church
The United Church of Bacon is a real, legal church based in Las Vegas, Nevada with nearly 10,000 members worldwide.

We chose a funny bacon name to expose how wrong it is for society to give automatic respect and special legal privileges to religions. Is our saying we worship Bacon really any stranger than Catholics who say that communion wafers become the body of Christ? Unlike God, who is invisible, at least we can see Bacon. Bacon is demonstrably real.

Our name has nothing to do with a rude term for police officers. We respect the police and our founder is a decorated veteran.

We were founded in 2010 by friends of magician Penn Jillette of Penn & Teller. We now have nearly 10,000 members from around the world.

Beliefs and Mission
The United Church of Bacon holds to a list of 9 Bacon Commandments. We tried to make it 10, but ran out of space on the tablets and didn’t want to start over.


Our mission is:

We oppose supernatural claims. We are skeptics and atheists. In our religion, we doubt religion.
We fight discrimination. Atheists are not inferior and should not be hated and marginalized.
We raise money for charity while accepting no donations for ourselves.
We perform legal weddings, always for free. How joyful!
We expose religious privileges as silly by claiming the same rights for Bacon.
We praise Bacon! If you don’t like pigs, praise Vegetarian Bacon or Turkey Bacon.

http://unitedchurchofbacon.org/about/

[hrmjustin]

1. Sounds like the Flying Spaghetti Monster thing.

[Yorktown]

2. It's very different. I do not believe in Bacon.

I'm a vegetarian.

All praises are only due to the one and only true god:

its Holiness, the venerable Flying Spaghetti Monster (may the grated parmesan be upon it always)

[hrmjustin]

3. Sure enjoy.

[Rolando]

6. As long as they don't

claim a tax exemption. I suppose Jews are automatically excluded from their worship.

[hrmjustin]

8. I doubt the IRS will give it.

Anyone who doesn't eat Bacon would not like this.

[niyad]

4. combine the two and you get carbonara!! pass the wine!!

[hrmjustin]

5. lol.

[tech3149]

9. Amen!

Life without bacon or pasta his little meaning.

[Yorktown]

10. May I join the interfaith group?

Carbonara with Chianti is the real religious deal.

(do not forget the grated parmeggiano, may it always be upon the FSM)


DU bigotry: there is no FSM emoticon

[hrmjustin]

12. FSM and this bacon thing is not appropriate in interfaith or the prayer circle.

[bvf]

13. Why the hell not?

[hrmjustin]

14. Fsm is a parody of religion.

[bvf]

16. The same could be said of christianity.

[hrmjustin]

17. You can say whatever you want of Christianity but fsm will not

be allowed in the prayer circle and it is not welcomed in interfaith.

[bvf]

31. Is there a list somewhere

of what is and is not approved?

[hrmjustin]

32. No. The hosts know things that mock us when we see it.

[bvf]

38. Uh huh.

[hrmjustin]

42. Yep.

[bvf]

55. So it really comes down

to how thin-skinned you are. Got it, thanks.

[hrmjustin]

56. It is a matter of following the sop and fsm is mocking religion.

Not having it.

Go complain to the owner.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

[AtheistCrusader]

62. Prove it.

And even if it started as a parody, who are you to say it hasn't become one, with actual honest, earnest believers?

[hrmjustin]

66. I am me and host of those rooms.

Unless skinner removes me or tells me to change the rules The rules remain.

[AtheistCrusader]

73. That wasn't the issue

[hrmjustin]

75. No but it is the final word.

Cheers.

[AtheistCrusader]

77. I YAM THE LAW

[hrmjustin]

81. Call amnesty international right now!

[AtheistCrusader]

88. Either you don't understand, or don't care.

Oh well.

[hrmjustin]

89. I understand completely what you are doing and can see clear through it.

And after talking to the owner of this site I will continue the ban of that group in those rooms.

Enjoy your crusade.

[rug]

15. Tthe same reason jugglers, mimes and other street performers are not.

[bvf]

19. Or street preachers, correct?

[rug]

21. As long as they're not juggling.

[bvf]

34. Is juggling a sin?

[rug]

37. It depends on what you're juggling.

[bvf]

46. I see.

Is there a list of approved objects you can point me to?

If kittens are allowed, do they have to be alive?

[rug]

47. Peopl who van juggle live kittens are welcome anywhere any time.

[bvf]

49. So if I belong

to The First Church of Live Kitten Juggling, can I post in Interfaith? Consult with Justin if you need to.

[hrmjustin]

50. No need.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1264

[bvf]

59. See #47, courtesy of rug.

[hrmjustin]

60. It is called a joke.

[Warren Stupidity]

80. interfaith is a joke?

I mean I always thought so, but I'm surprised to see you finally admit it.

[hrmjustin]

83. No buddy but you want to think that go ahead.

[Warren Stupidity]

84. So you are saying rug is a joke?

That is rather insulting.

[hrmjustin]

86. No buddy. But i must admit i enjoy watching your frustration as you try to argue with him.

Best thing ever that you took him off ignore.

[rug]

91. I thought he was saying Warren Stupidity is a joke.

I don't think either he or you would make such a suggestion.

[Warren Stupidity]

103. Do you think you are a joke?

[rug]

109. Not at al. Do you?

[Warren Stupidity]

125. You do?

[rug]

139. See you around, Pee Wee.

[Warren Stupidity]

143. So you do think you are a joke. Interesting.

[rug]

186. Only when I talk to you.

Some people wander around parks talking to squirrels.

[Warren Stupidity]

197. Well I'm glad that you agree that you are a joke.

I feel like we are making progress.

[rug]

198. Only when seen talking with you.

[Warren Stupidity]

228. well you do that a lot.

just sayin.

[rug]

229. That must be why you took me off your alleged ignore list.

[hrmjustin]

230. .

[Yorktown]

20. Jugglers, mimes and street performers killed less than organized religion

And My Holy Church of the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster is 100% murder free

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster be Blessed with parmesan and fresh basil leaves always.

[rug]

22. Don't you have a Dungeons and Dragons game to attend to?

[Yorktown]

23. Why are you associating my Church with games?

A very haughty attitude you're taking.

Disdain for upstart religions, uh?

After all, 'He boiled for our sins' is as demonstrably true as 'Jesus saves'.

[rug]

25. That is known as a question that contains its own answer.

[Yorktown]

28. No. The FSM boiled for our sins. I believe.

Who has a right to mock my faith?

Blasphemy against the Flying Spaghetti Monster carries risks, you know?

[rug]

33. So, who are you taking to prom?

[hrmjustin]

36. .

[Yorktown]

41. Water? Over pasta? heresy!

[Yorktown]

39. Your condescencion again. How sad.

I was hoping we could have a reasonable debate.

[SwankyXomb]

63. Membership is limited

to 1000+ year old Middle Eastern based monotheistic cults.

[Yorktown]

64. At last: a coherent answer.

[Arugula Latte]

90. Apparently if a religion wasn't made up by Middle Eastern goat herders long ago,

it's not deserving of respect.

[Yorktown]

92. Bronze Age religions privilege..

[Warren Stupidity]

78. because words

you weren't expecting a sensible honest answer, were you?

[hrmjustin]

87. Are you calling me a liar?

[Warren Stupidity]

102. why would I do that?

have you lied about something?

[hrmjustin]

107. Why did you say?

you weren't expecting a sensible honest answer, were you?


I think i have been honest why i don't alliw it.

Besides if people posted it in there yiu know it wouod be alerted on and hidden.

[Warren Stupidity]

126. Do you think you gave an honest answer?

[hrmjustin]

127. Yes i did. everything i said her has been honest.

I am not a liar.

[Warren Stupidity]

129. so you have never posted anything here that was not entirely truthful?

[hrmjustin]

131. No one is perfect.

[Warren Stupidity]

132. Are you calling yourself a liar?

[hrmjustin]

133. no.

[Warren Stupidity]

134. text says otherwise.

I think you should alert on yourself for calling yourself a liar. Very hurtful.

[hrmjustin]

135. Alas one can not alert on oneself but you can alert on me. feel free to if you feel iam calling

myself out here.

[Warren Stupidity]

136. no, I'm fine with you calling yourself a liar.

[hrmjustin]

137. Are you sure? You seem very concerned about it.

[Warren Stupidity]

144. No really, now that you've confessed to being a liar, it is all good.

[hrmjustin]

145. No buddy i am not confessing to be a liar.

RIF!

[Warren Stupidity]

146. text says otherwise.

[hrmjustin]

147. RIF.

[Warren Stupidity]

148. Run in fear?

Rabid Islamic Fundamentalist?

Reduction in force?

a sly spliff?

You agreed that you posted things here that were less than truthful, you've admitted to lying here, so you certainly couldn't have been going for "reading is fundamental".

It's ok Justin, we've all told lies. Admitting it is good for you.

[hrmjustin]

149. Reading is Fundamental.

[Warren Stupidity]

156. I don't think that is what you meant.

[hrmjustin]

157. And what do you think i meant?

[Warren Stupidity]

158. Radical Islamic Fundamentalist, obviously.

[hrmjustin]

159. oh. Well your wrong but thanks for trying.

[bvf]

93. Call me a cock-eyed optimist.

As an ordained SubGenius minister for over 25 years, I would like nothing more than to join in to offer my prayers in the prayer circle for the out-of-work who are seeking employment.

Alas, I cannot. Not allowed.

[hrmjustin]

97. Start a thread here.

[bvf]

98. Why not in the prayer circle

where such things are supposed to go?

Oh, because you get to decide what is and is not a legitimate religion. Must be nice.

[hrmjustin]

99. If you are honest in your desire to offer these prayers than do it here.

[bvf]

101. That is not an answer

so much as it is a defense of a fiefdom.

Positively medieval.

[hrmjustin]

106. Go to the owner and complain.

[bvf]

110. Huge assumption on your part.

[hrmjustin]

111. What is a huge assumption on my part?

[bvf]

112. Anything I could post in response to this

would invite an alert.

[hrmjustin]

113. if you can't explain yourself you should not have said anything to begin with.

[bvf]

114. Keep trying.

[hrmjustin]

115. I know you keep trying but try harder.

[bvf]

118. Playground responses with smileys. Precious.

[hrmjustin]

119. Well you the one having a hard time expressing yourself because you are a afraid of a hide.

[bvf]

128. Another try, another fail.

[hrmjustin]

130. Ok since you don't want to have z real conversation with me we are done.

Bye now.

[bvf]

138. G'Bye!

[Yorktown]

18. Bigotry in action

Why are your beliefs superior to mine?

It gives me comfort to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster

(May the pasta sauce always be upon it)

[hrmjustin]

24. Call me whatever you want but FSM will not be allowed in the prayer circle

or interfaith.

It is a parody meant to mock religion.

Every safe haven has its rules.

[Yorktown]

26. Religious intolerance!!!

Why don't you respect my faith?

It is as grounded in fact as any.

And I never saw noodles fight holy wars.

[hrmjustin]

27. You can post it here in the religion room.

[Yorktown]

29. But I want to share with other believers.

Why are you excluding my faith?

[hrmjustin]

30. Because it mocks us.

[Yorktown]

35. So mockery is a worse sin than condemnation to eternal torture?

Some religions say unbelievers will end up in a place of eternal torture.

These religions have a seat at the interfaith table.

But holding ironical beliefs is a more divisive attitude than condemnation to eternal torture?

Looks like the standards of the interfaith dialogue are questionable.

[hrmjustin]

40. Well on this site the hosts decide what is ok in a safe haven and fsm is not ok

In interfaith and the prayer circle.


you can alway try posting it in the atheist room.

[Yorktown]

43. No. That's exactly my point.

I'd like to see the holy Flying Spaghetti Monster discussed in interfaith and not atheism.

Anyway, why do you call me an atheist when I believe in the holy Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Have some respect for my religion. Please.

[hrmjustin]

44. Where did I call you an atheist?

[Yorktown]

45. By excluding me from the interfaith dialogue.

Why can't my god be discussed along with the other ones and their eternal torture threats?

My god is one of peace and filled bellies. RAmen.

[hrmjustin]

48. No and good night.

[Yorktown]

51. Bigotry ;)

[hrmjustin]

52. Go complain to the owner.

He knows that we don't allow it in there.

[Yorktown]

53. OK. I'll make the case for equal religious rights.

Even if my religion should have more rights, as it is demonstrably less violent than others.

No autodafes, no holy wars, no dhimmitude, no inquisition.

Just pasta.

[hrmjustin]

54. Here is the link to ATA.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

[Yorktown]

57. Very well. I shall make the case for my faith.

Martyrdom in the name of pasta is greatly valued by the holy Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I shall risk being its lone Crusader in these desolate lands of unbelief in IT.

[hrmjustin]

58. Enjoy.

[rug]

95. Ask Skinner to set up a Flying Spaghetti Monster Group.

Don't forget to report back.

[bvf]

116. Define "us," please.

[hrmjustin]

117. People of faith.

[bvf]

123. What faith?

You can't give a coherent answer to that, and therein lies your problem.

[hrmjustin]

124. I have but you don't like the answer.

I know a parody when i see it and fSM is a parody.

[bvf]

140. No, you absolutely haven't.

[hrmjustin]

142. You have a lovely day.

[Jamastiene]

231. I guess I'm doubly up the creek.

I believe in spaghetti AND bacon.

[rug]

94. Rejecting the intentional parody of FSM is bigotry?

Do go on. Do you consider the "bigotry" towards FSM to be the same as other forms of bigotry?

I suspect you haven't a clue as to what bigotry is and is not. The world is far different from a frat house. Your privilege is showing.

[Yorktown]

150. Yes. And your attempt at word-police boomerangs back at you.

bigotry
ˈbɪɡətri/
noun
intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.

A good account of hrmjustin's attitude towards the Holy Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

hrmjustin will not tolerate the presence of the Holy Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as it presents 'different opinions from' those that he holds.

qed.

[hrmjustin]

151. And the owner of the site answered my pm and said since I am the host of those rooms I

and the other hosts are the boss.

[Yorktown]

152. You already said that a few times, and not too elegantly

1- I informed you of having asked the administrators, giving you a copy of my submission
2- You shortcircuited me via PM (my submission isn't even answered yet)
3- You have been trumpeting a few times since yesterday the boss said you were local boss
4- And you insist on repeating it here now.

Anyway, your attitude towards the Holy Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is that of a Bronze Age privilege. You treat new upstart minority religions with contempt. How can you judge the Holy Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't my own way of expressing my spirituality? You just repress my attempts at being closer to the supernatural by fiat. You can repress, so you do it.

You're boss. Hope you feel powerful. I will bemoan my trampled spirituality with repressed sobs.

[hrmjustin]

154. Are you saying you are persecuted?

[Yorktown]

163. You ARE persecuting my Church

blocking it from sharing in an interfaith dialogue which might help our religion evolve by discovering all the hidden treasures of yours.

[hrmjustin]

166. I am persecuting you?

[Yorktown]

168. Didn't my post state 'my Church'?

[hrmjustin]

170. Your persecution claim is laughable.

[Yorktown]

171. You also have the power of laughter? Awesome.

[hrmjustin]

173. Yes I do.

[bvf]

153. "...I and the other hosts are the boss."

Phfbllt!

So there. Excellent way to make your point. You may as well have said, "Teacher said so. Get off my swing."

Good grief.

[hrmjustin]

155. No the owner sad so.

You don't like it then go complain to him.

[Yorktown]

160. No, no, no, nobody's complaining and you're boss

Gee, good thing you got spiritual guidance from god..

[hrmjustin]

161. Then what is your complaint?

[Yorktown]

165. Why? Do you leave room for any?

[hrmjustin]

167. You are making accusations against me so i am questioning you about it.

[Yorktown]

169. No accusations. I stated facts.

And lack of elegance isn't an 'accusation', it's an opinion.

[hrmjustin]

172. What are the principle beliefs of your church?

[Yorktown]

175. See? You can accept interfaith dialogue, after all.

A brief summary of our beliefs from one of our favorite hymnals:

“Let us sing praise to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, for He is a loving God. Of His might and dominion, there is no compare; of His mercy and deliciousness, there is no equal. No other god can challenge Him; in the taste test, He is invincible. Through His pasta, He has blessed us with everlasting life, and holy is His Name. For He is the Flying Spaghetti Monster: the One, True, and Most High God, creator of man and midgit, giver of pasta, giver of sauce, from age to holy age; not created He was, but ever He lives, through the glory of spaghetti, now and forever. R'Amen.”

[hrmjustin]

176. Why did you become a member and when?

[Yorktown]

178. More interfaith dialogue. That's the ticket.

My initial motivation was simplistic (hunger), but the reasons for joining religions usually are.

Simplistic.

My first encounter with religion:

[hrmjustin]

179. How long have you been a member?

[Yorktown]

181. That is a reductionist attitude to faith

How would you remember when you transitioned from fairy tales to your current god?

How would I remember how I transitioned from letter noodles soup to Pastafarianism?

[hrmjustin]

182. Do you think religion is fairy tales?

[Yorktown]

193. Another reductionist question

Are you denying the magical dimension of spirituality?

But anyway, what I wrote earlier was not calling religion a fairy tale.

I was merely drawing a parallel:

How would you remember when you transitioned from fairy tales to your current god?

How would I remember how I transitioned from letter noodles soup to Pastafarianism?

[hrmjustin]

196. Could you in your own words explain your religious beliefs?

[Yorktown]

200. Wouldn't the setting for this questionnaire be the interfaith dialogue forum?

This thread was dedicated to learning about th e First Church of Bacon.

We can't just choose to amend the stated purpose of threads and forums by consensus.

[hrmjustin]

201. No. This room is the oerfect place.

Please put into words your thoughts on your faith.

[Yorktown]

203. No. Doesn't do any good to sidetrack the study of the Church of Bacon.

I won't let my bacon and its Church be hijacked.

[hrmjustin]

205. Ok i guess there is no more to say.

[Yorktown]

206. There is: irreducibly complex proof of the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

[hrmjustin]

207. Enjoy!

[Yorktown]

211. Again, the superior attitude of privileged believers

No justice, no peace.

[hrmjustin]

213. I said enjoy and i hope you do.

You won't discuss your faith with me here so there is no more to discuss.

[Yorktown]

216. I agree to discuss the tenets of my faith, not me as a person

Everyone's faith is so difficult to put into words.

It's so personal and difficult to share.

It's more feelings than reasoning.

[hrmjustin]

217. What made you interested in it?

[Yorktown]

219. No, you're back at me again. The FSM and Jah are so much bigger than us mortals.

Let's forget us sinners and focus on the deity, the faith, the spiritual.

It's so much more beautiful, up there, in the sky

[hrmjustin]

220. And what is this God you believe in?

[Yorktown]

221. The Flying Spaghetti Monster

May the grated fresh parmeggiano be upon it always.

[hrmjustin]

222. How did he come into being?

Does he come to Earth?

[Yorktown]

223. I thank you for your interest in the Flying Spaghetti Monster

It will be the subject of my third installement about New Religions.

I don't want to dilute the separate questions of belief in Bacon and Spaghetti.

See you on the FSM on that future thread.

[hrmjustin]

224. tonight?

[Yorktown]

226. Probably early tomorrow.

In the meantime, may Pasta be upon you, hopefully with Chianti and Jah.

[hrmjustin]

227. ok.

[PeoViejo]

204. Bless You

In the name of the Pasta, Sauce and Holy Meatballs.

Ramen

[Yorktown]

209. At last, a person of faith in this sea of unbelievers

May Pasta be upon you, brother.

[PeoViejo]

215. May you be touched by his Noodly Appendage, Brother

Ramen.

[Yorktown]

218. May you feel the love of the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster, brother

[bvf]

162. Whoosh!

[hrmjustin]

164. Your conversation skills never cease to amaze me.

[bvf]

174. Ok, "Boss."

[rug]

177. What is the word for someone who espouse opinions he doesn't believe?

charlatan

noun char·la·tan \ˈshär-lə-tən\

a person who falsely pretends to know or be something in order to deceive people

How about

poseur

noun po·seur \pō-ˈzər, ˈpō-zər\

a person who pretends to be what he or she is not : an affected or insincere person

It has nothing to do with alleged belief, it has to do with frauds.

Go on, Yorktown, state you indeed believe FSM. I'll bookmark it.

[Yorktown]

180. Dan Dennett calls them 'Apostate Pastors', and there are quite a few

Preachers Who Don’t Believe — The Scandal of Apostate Pastors
THURSDAY • March 18, 2010

Are there clergy who don’t believe in God? That is the question posed by a new report that is certain to receive considerable attention — and rightly so. Few church members are likely to be disinterested in whether their pastor believes in God.
The study was conducted by the Center for Cognitive Studies at Tufts University, under the direction of Daniel C. Dennett and Linda LaScola. Dennett, of course, is one of the primary figures in the “New Atheism” — the newly aggressive and influential atheist movement that has gained a considerable hearing among the intellectual elites and the media.
Dennett is a cognitive scientist whose book, Breaking the Spell, suggests that belief in God must have at one point served an important evolutionary purpose, granting an evolutionary advantage to those who had some belief in an afterlife as compared to humans without such a belief. The reality of death, Dennett surmises, might well have been the precipitating factor. In order to make life meaningful in the face of death (and thus encourage reproduction), Dennett suggests that primitive humans invented the idea of God and the afterlife. Now, he argues, we have no more need of such primitive beliefs.
Interestingly, Dennett also proposes a new interpretation of theological liberalism. Noting that many modern people claim to be Christians while holding to virtually no specific theological content, Dennett suggests that their mode of faith should not be described as “belief,” but rather as “believing in belief.”
Given Dennett’s own atheistic agenda, we can rightly assume that he would be thrilled to see Christian ministers and believers abandon the faith. Indeed, the New Atheists have made this a stated aim. Thus, this new research report, “Preachers Who Are Not Believers,” should be read within that framework. Nevertheless, it must be read. This report demands the attention of anyone concerned with the integrity of the Christian church and the Christian faith.
Dennett and LaScola undertook their project with the goal of looking for unbelieving pastors and ministers who continue to serve their churches in “secret disbelief.” Their “small and self-selected” sample of ministers represents a microcosm of the theological collapse at the heart of many churches and denominations.
In their report, Dennett and LaScola present case studies of five unbelieving ministers, three from liberal denominations (“the liberals”) and two from conservative denominations (“the literals”).
Wes, a Methodist, lost his confidence in the Bible while attending a liberal Christian college and seminary. “I went to college thinking Adam and Eve were real people,” he explained. Now, he no longer believes that God exists. In his rendering, God is a word that “can be used very expressively in some of my more meditative modes” and “a kind of poetry that is written by human beings.”
His church members do not know that he is an atheist, but he explains that they are somewhat liberal themselves. His ministerial colleagues are even more liberal: “They’ve been de-mythologized, I’ll say that. They don’t believe Jesus rose from the dead literally. They don’t believe Jesus was born of a virgin. They don’t believe all those things that would cause a big stir in their churches.”

http://www.albertmohler.com/2010/03/18/clergy-who-dont-believe-the-scandal-of-apostate-pastors/

[rug]

183. Go on, prove you're not a poseur. Simply type you genuinely believe in the FSM.

[Yorktown]

184. Go on, prove apostate pastors are not poseurs. THEY state they believe in Yahweh.

Anyway, my belief is a work in progress, it's spiritual, so it is very hard to pin down.

You seem to be under the delusion that things can be explained rationally.

Not everything is black and white or demonstrable or reductible to written statements.

There are all the grey and fluctuating states of the real believer in spirituality.

Like me.

But let's keep the religious dialogue flowing; it is so conducive to a higher level of conscience.

[rug]

185. Oh, but we're not talking about pastors. We're talking about you and FSM.

You don't do parody very well at all.

[Yorktown]

187. You skipped my text, I answered about myself

Repeat of my statement:

my belief is a work in progress, it's spiritual, so it is very hard to pin down.

You seem to be under the delusion that things can be explained rationally.

Not everything is black and white or demonstrable or reductible to written statements.

There are all the grey and fluctuating states of the real believer in spirituality.

Like me.

But let's keep the religious dialogue flowing; it is so conducive to a higher level of conscience.

And please, refrain from calling my spiritual quest a parody.

It is very hurtful.

[rug]

189. No you didn't. You attempted parody and failed.

Do you find it difficult to give an honest answer while in the midst of a farce?

[Yorktown]

190. Would you dare call the beliefs of jews or Buddhists a farce?

Why do you call mine that?

Why is my belief in a peaceful plate of pasta worse than belief in jihad?
Why is my belief in the great noodle in the sky weirder than belief in human resurrection?

Besides, why do you think you can call my attitude to task?
Why do you feel you can have an inquisitorial attitude?

So many questions, so few clear answers.

Beliefs are a flux, Feel the Force (Luke, 9:22)

[rug]

191. I already told you. It is not abour belef, it's about posing

So, answer. Do you genuinelt believe in the FSM?

[Yorktown]

192. I already answered that question

[rug]

194. It looks like you have.

[Yorktown]

195. Inadvertently, you defined many religions

When all else fails and you long to be
Something better than you are today
I know a place where you can get away
It's called religion, and here's what it's for,

It makes no difference if you're black or white
If you're a boy or a girl
If religion's pumping it will give you new life
You're saved, yes, that's what you are, you know it

[rug]

199. No, i defined your subthread.

[Yorktown]

202. That's a '"it's not me, it's you" kind of answer.

That was a primary school recess retort.

Looks like you've got many years to wait for your Prom.

[rug]

208. It may be biut it's extremely accurate.

Sounds like you're still stinging.

[Yorktown]

210. Yes. You were so dead on target.

It smarted the dickens.

That was adding insult to the injury of your disrespect for my spiritual quest.

[rug]

212. You should be more concerned about my disrespect for your skill in satire.

[Yorktown]

214. Dang. I won't sleep all night.

[AtheistCrusader]

61. I'm an ordained minister in both churches.

Not sure what's up with the application for the First Church Of Cannabis, but I'm a practicing adherent at least.

[hrmjustin]

65. And?

[Act_of_Reparation]

67. But?

[hrmjustin]

68. Well!

[Act_of_Reparation]

69. Ah!

[hrmjustin]

70. Good!

[Act_of_Reparation]

71. Gadzooks!

[AtheistCrusader]

72. They are every bit as real as your church.

[hrmjustin]

74. Whatever. skinner just told me that i am the host of those rooms so it is my call.

[AtheistCrusader]

76. Yes, it is. Has consequences to your credibility though.

Especially about what kind of host you are.

[hrmjustin]

79. And what consequences would that be?

[AtheistCrusader]

82. Everyone can see

[hrmjustin]

85. Yeah and other than a handful of people including yourself no one else seems to mind.

Cheers.

[bvf]

105. You'd be surprised.

[hrmjustin]

108. Oh? Tell me how?

[rug]

96. An ordained minister of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster invoking credibility.

[hrmjustin]

100. .

[AtheistCrusader]

122. At least as credible as the pope.

More so, since I'm a multi-faith minister.

[rug]

141. Are there any other attributes of his you wish to claim?

[niyad]

7. is emeril lagasse the head of this church?

[Yorktown]

11. From their site, apparently not

John Whiteside, Founder, Bacon Prophet

John grew up in Alabama and Mississippi in the 1960s, where witnessing civil rights violations inspired him to fight for minority rights. In 1971 he joined the Marine Corps and graduated at the top of his class in fighter jets as a Marine. After completing his active duty obligations, he spent 25 years flying for major international airlines, starting at Eastern, and retiring as a captain for United. He transported more than one million passengers safely to their destinations. In 1991, John was recalled to active duty, flew 52 missions as an F-16 fighter pilot in Operation Desert Storm, and was awarded six air medals, including the Distinguished Flying Cross for heroism in combat.

John is an advisory board member of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and received their 2011 Thomas Jefferson Award. Since retirement John travels internationally, reads, and observes people all over the world.

He is the founder of the United Church of Bacon, which began as a concept among a group of friends at Penn Jillette’s house in Las Vegas in 2010, and became active when John began recruitment at TAM in 2012. The skeptics’ church has a serious intent, to fight religious discrimination against non-believers, to promote church-state separation, and to demand equal rights for everyone, regardless of faith. He is an Advisory Board member of the Secular Policy Institute.

Johnny Monsarrat: FunkMaster

[pokerfan]

120. Here's one of its prophets....

[trotsky]

121. Hahaha, one of his best bits.

Bacon bits... mmmmm....

[stage left]

104. I love Bacon

I will not worship it, however, but fry it everyday.

[Yorktown]

225. A step in the right direction

keep at it, and you will believe.