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Related: About this forumCardinal Raymond Burke: Gays, Remarried Catholics Are Just As Sinful As Murderers
(RNS) When Pope Francis last year effectively demoted U.S. Cardinal Raymond Burke by moving him out of a senior post in the Vatican to a largely ceremonial role as head of a Rome-based Catholic charity, it was viewed as a way to sideline one of the pontiffs most outspoken critics on the right.
But the move seems to have left Burke free to air his conservative and pointed views on efforts to change church practices, not that he was ever terribly hesitant about speaking his mind.
Now the American churchman has spoken out again, telling an interviewer that gay couples and divorced and remarried Catholics who are trying to live good and faithful lives are still like the person who murders someone and yet is kind to other people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/cardinal-raymond-burke-gay-remarried-murderers_n_6957456.html
OK, now he's gone too far...he's not only insulted my gay friends, he's insulted my mother, a re-married Catholic.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The cardinal should take a vow of silence.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Pack him off to Barrow and let him preach to the polar bears.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I believes he believes this shit too.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Belongs to an organization that hides and supports pedophiles.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Obvious he learned nothing from being demoted.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Or maybe have one of those nuns on a bus whack his knuckles with a ruler. That would be a harsher punishment than Francis will ever advocate for such a good Catholic.
And why would being demoted teach him anything that would take the place of a lifetime's indoctrination in the love and charity of the Catholic Church?
John1956PA
(2,667 posts)Not that my opinion matters, as I am a former Catholic, now atheist.
Best wishes.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I'm not sure that that part follows strict canon law.
Your open certainly matters.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Obsequence to authority in and of itself is not a virtue. Whether right or wrong, the man is defending the scriptures as he understands them.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)only trying to make the point that he doesn't follow the rules completely, just the ones he like.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)It's an anathema to me to defend a man who holds views which I violently oppose. I will just say that, for him, this is a matter of conscience. Now, please everybody, roast away.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)He was very ambitious and very angry when this pope was selected.
There may be a seed of conscience in there, but I would bet that ambition is what really fed his flame.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Since this man's position is illustrative of my argument with the text, I tend to ascribe it less to personal ambition than to scriptural conviction. I will confess that I perceive this through my own bias.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)The fact that he is using an interpretation of the scripture to justify his position doesn't mean that he is following his conscience. I trust him zero.
Anyone that gets as far as he did in this intensely political environment is driven by ambition and probably gave up their conscience some time ago. Unfortunately I think that's true all the way up to the top. But his party lost when they chose this pope and he's really pissed off.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)The entire hierarchy of the church is devoid of conscience and corrupted by political ambition.
Too sweeping, I know. Just trying to follow your train of thought.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I don't think that they are devoid of conscience but it gets thinner the higher the altitude.
It's that way in every political organization I know. People begin compromising what they believe in in order to gain more power.
I think there are some really wonderful people in the catholic church hierarchy, but they are not likely to advance very far. Just like in our political parties.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)also gave up his conscience a long time ago. Which makes it strange that you would support him so unabashedly.
As far as Burke, nothing he is espousing contradicts well-established Catholic doctrine, only the doctrine that apologists pretend is in place.
Itchinjim
(3,085 posts)And pretty much why I don't come back.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He's already insulted half the human race.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)*Not a slam on you justin (or any other liberal christian), it's a fuck you to all the people who use the word 'christian' as a synonym for 'ethical'.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Nothing Christ like about him.
okasha
(11,573 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Demoting him was obviously ineffective.
okasha
(11,573 posts)The trick will be to get rid of him without making a martyr of him.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Just as hateful as all other religious reactionaries.
Jesus would never be the one to condemn the divorced and gays to death.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)9"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
longship
(40,416 posts)And how about a church that shelters and covers up such behavior?
I won't wait for your response, Cardinal.
Why don't you just shut your yap until your hypocritical church answers for their sins.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)He's been insulting your mother and all women for 2000 years....this is not news...what the hell?