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Auggie

(31,191 posts)
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:57 PM Apr 8

MLBPA says pitch clock to blame for injuries; league counters

NEW YORK -- The head of the baseball players' association thinks a shorter pitch clock has contributed to a series of pitcher injuries.

"Despite unanimous player opposition and significant concerns regarding health and safety, the commissioner's office reduced the length of the pitch clock last December, just one season removed from imposing the most significant rule change in decades," union executive director Tony Clark said Saturday night in a statement.

"Since then, our concerns about the health impacts of reduced recovery time have only intensified," Clark said. "The league's unwillingness thus far to acknowledge or study the effects of these profound changes is an unprecedented threat to our game and its most valuable asset -- the players."

Cleveland's Shane Bieber, Atlanta's Spencer Strider, the New York Yankees' Jonathan Loáisiga, Miami's Eury Pérez and Oakland's Trevor Gott are among the pitchers diagnosed with elbow injuries.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39890102/mlbpa-says-shorter-pitch-clock-blame-pitcher-injuries

The counter?

MLB said that UCL surgeries at the minor league level actually declined in 2022, the first year that the pitch timer was used across the minors. The league believes the increase in max-effort pitching and focus on pitch design have contributed to the rise in injuries more than the clock.


MLB threw in a new variable -- the pitch clock -- and elbow injures begin to multiply. Instead of ENDING THE PITCH CLOCK immediately and diving deep into the science MLB wants to argue about it.
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MLBPA says pitch clock to blame for injuries; league counters (Original Post) Auggie Apr 8 OP
The plot thickens... True Dough Apr 8 #1
But... True Dough Apr 8 #2
I actually like the clock as a concept. I do think it's a bit too fast, though...nt Wounded Bear Apr 8 #3
Some people have been revisiting and circulating this video made by Tyler Glasnow True Dough Apr 9 #4
Consider this: Auggie Apr 9 #5
Could be True Dough Apr 9 #6
I Disagree With MLBPA ProfessorGAC Apr 10 #7
Paraphrasing John Smoltz, "Look at an MRI of your pitching arm after a routine start. retread Apr 14 #8
Hate the pitch clock, seems like asking for trouble pushing a pitcher harder than it should. Ziggysmom Apr 16 #9

True Dough

(17,327 posts)
4. Some people have been revisiting and circulating this video made by Tyler Glasnow
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:53 AM
Apr 9

from a couple of years ago after he suffered his serious arm injury. More perspective to consider...

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Auggie

(31,191 posts)
5. Consider this:
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 02:40 PM
Apr 9

Arm/shoulder injuries have been building in frequency as the game, arm strength, pitching motion, and pitch selection has evolved. Perhaps not in clear linear way. Or with any defining speed. But they have been building.

It's like adding straw to the camel's back. Eventually a limit is reached. The pitch clock -- or lack of rest between pitches -- may be the straw that exacerbates injuries to a new level.

ProfessorGAC

(65,191 posts)
7. I Disagree With MLBPA
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:04 PM
Apr 10

There is correlation, but nothing to prove causation.
In fact, since the pace of the game has reached that of the late 70s to 1990, comparing pitching injuries does not correlate. Far fewer injuries, with pitchers burning more innings, where the amount of time between pitches is roughly the same. And, that time period aligns with the refinement of TJ surgery. Very good restorative surgery existed, yet used less often.
I believe the culprit is the emphasis on throwing every pitch hard & focusing on spin rate. Add to that more rigorous weight lifting and you have strength & speed that exceeds soft tissue tolerances.
I think it's much simpler to assign cause to trying to throw a hundred 35 or 40 times a game, and maximizing movement on every pitch, because they don't want pitching to contact anymore.
The very act of modern pitching is more than most human arms can handle.

retread

(3,763 posts)
8. Paraphrasing John Smoltz, "Look at an MRI of your pitching arm after a routine start.
Sun Apr 14, 2024, 06:55 AM
Apr 14

You will be shocked at the damage".

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