So I asked a question and my thread got locked

[Heather MC]

Last edited Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:22 PM - Edit history (1)

I noticed someone had made a post claiming to be a "Left wing white supremacist" and he stated that Voting for Bernie was particularly in the best interest of PoC"

My question was, how would white DU members like it if Black DU Members Posted which candidates were in the best of White People?

Well I got my answer my post was locked, even though a DU jury voted 5 to 2 to "Leave it Alone"

[Stargazer99]

1. I'd have some question that it was a "white surpremacist" personally

[Heather MC]

3. He was being Sarcastic because you know, that's the term Marissa used when you bum rushed Bernie's

Rally. I understand his use of the term was in a joking manner.

that's beside the point. My point was or rather my question was, How would they like Black DU members stating who and what's in the best interest of specifically white DU members.

I was accused of being Divisive, told I should just ignore his post.

then It got locked, but there some good discussions happening before it was locked, no one being irate or rude and neither was I.

[SusanCalvin]

19. That seems a perfectly reasonable question to me!

This stuff is ridiculous.

[Fred Sanders]

33. Marissa used "liberal white supremist" and has explained the meaning to those that care to listen

and not just set their hair on fire over their own interpretation of a new term.

Put away the petrol, there is no need.

[roguevalley]

37. I personally wouldn't care if you ask. I'm old. I don't know everything. I am open to learn.

I am sorry things happen. We all could just scream until we die.

[Cha]

44. That's their latest.. "divisive.. " I was accused of that yesterday because

I posted a compelling post from FB by Washington State Senator, Pramila Jayapal

"Why Saturday's Bernie Sanders Rally Left Me Feeling Heartbroken"

beautiful snip//

'To build a movement, we have to be smarter than those who are trying to divide us. We have to take our anger and rage and channel it into building, growing, loving, holding each other up. We need our outlets too, our places of safety where we can say what we think without worrying about how it's going to land, where we can call out even our white loved ones, friends, allies for what they are not doing. But in the end, if we want to win for ALL of us on racial, economic, and social justice issues, we need multiple sets of tactics, working together. Some are disruptive tactics. Some are loving tactics. Some are truth-telling tactics. Some can only be taken on by white people. Some can only be taken on by people of color. Sometimes we need someone from the other strand to step in and hold us up. Other times, we have to step out and hold them up. Each of us has a different role to play but we all have to hold the collective space for movement building together. That's what I hope we all keep in mind and work on together. It's the only way we move forward.'

Much MOre..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=509207

[riversedge]

28. The term is "Left wing white supremacist" or Liberal white supremacy

[Fred Sanders]

34. The term being used by BLM and folks of colour is the latter, only. Understand it, please.

[Starry Messenger]

2. The DUer who keeps SOP alerting on this OP

can knock it right off, thanks. This is the African-American group, and I believe this topic is well-within the purpose of the group.

[Heather MC]

5. Thank you, it seems our "allies" what us to STFU.

Funny how whenever a Race issue is brought up on DU by a member of the minority race, we get shut down, but they keep telling us we are allies.

Sure doesn't feel like.

[Starry Messenger]

7. They alerted exactly a minute after you posted.

Keep humping that alert button, friendo. I see a very small human being today. Shameful.

[Agschmid]

15. So...

First... It wasn't me.

Second... It appears they thought there was a mistake because the alert wasn't "going through".

I believe it was a mistake, but I get your frustration.

[Starry Messenger]

17. The name of the alerter is on it.

No, it wasn't you.

[Agschmid]

18. Okay.

I do think it was an honest mistake, but either way now they know how it works.

Thanks.

[joshcryer]

42. I sincerely believe this site is being brigaded.

Whoever did it I hope you report it.

[Warpy]

4. Maybe they thought it should have been in another group

Sometimes the workings of hosts can be Byzantine.

There was a thread some time ago asking why black folks didn't support Sanders. There were some very thoughtful and enlightening answers. Yes, I read them all.

It reinforced my own position that I can tell people why I favor one candidate or another in the primaries, but I can't presume to make their choice for them. If they're on DU, they're capable of thinking things through. I have to respect that even if I disagree with the conclusion.

[Heather MC]

6. Maybe, that's why it was locked.

[JI7]

8. i plan on voting for sanders but this is the problem i have with

Many of his supporters. I'm south Asian and there is another one of the same background who is doing the same when it comes to black people even though south Asians are also supporting hillary in huge numbers. But you won't see them doing the same towards their own group.

As for white people, the majority of them vote republican but they blame minority dems for pushing out the whites by focusing on things like race , gay right, women's rights.

[Heather MC]

9. I wish we lived in a society

That celebrated all our differences.
Instead they want you and I to be White Washed, while they get to maintain their Identity and work on fixing only their issues.

Any challenges we have is just whining, and we need to shut up.
That's the message I keep getting from our "allies"

As a person of Asian Decent how does it feel to have to hear about black and white issues all the time, as if no other race exist in America?

[brer cat]

27. Amen, Heather.

Excellent post.

[JI7]

40. i think the asian vote going for Obama in even higher numbers than the hispanic vote

should have got much more discussion when they did electoral analysis. especially when talking of demographics.

i know part of the lack of discussion is that the population is much lower and probably spread out more than black and hispanic votes to have as much influence.

if you break down the asian vote by country of origin the numbers were even higher for obama among certain groups. the asian vote is also not following the white votes with higher income people voting republican. among asians the higher income ones are actually even more likely to vote dem.

i think the above info is important in the class or race discussions.

many whites view govt programs as giving money to lazy types . but asians tend to credit govt programs as reason for their success.

i'm sure there are cultural factors and many other things also . but it's something that should be discussed more.

[BumRushDaShow]

47. "i think the asian vote going for Obama in even higher numbers

should have got much more discussion".

I know I personally made a giant note of it and was really truly heartened by it. The one thing about Barack Obama outside of his white mother, was his Indonesian step-father and half-Indonesian sister. I.e., his background and life stretched across 3 races and 3 continents. And the sad part has been his having been forced to straddle and tip-toe between 3 universes due to the virulent and toxic environment that assumes "white" is "universal" and everything else is "other".

[JustAnotherGen]

20. I think I know of whom you write

that's the best way it's been put. And a damn good point.

[JI7]

41. yeah, just want to cringe

with all the "i'm a poc also so i get to tell blacks what is best"

[mcar]

10. I think it was an off-topic lock

No guarantee it wouldn't be alerted on in GD but you might try reposting there.

On edit: really funny that typing gdp with the colon leads to the smiley.

[Agschmid]

16. Trust me it's made the real SOP alerts a bit rediculous sometimes...

Anger anger anger, frustration, etc and then...

[mcar]

21. It has gotten totally ridiculous

I honestly fear for this site.

[Agschmid]

23. I was mostly just talking about the accidental smiley...

But I hear you.

[mcar]

25. LOL

[Spazito]

24. I absolutely love that glitch and hope Elad leaves it...

it describes GD perfectly, imo.

[Agschmid]

26. Yup, it does.

[cheapdate]

11. How would I like it?

Wouldn't care. Wouldn't affect my decision in the slightest.

I'm about as privileged as one can get -- white male, educated parents. Even with the usual caveats ("you don't know!...how dare you!...etc.) the answer is the same.

I vote for what I think is best for my own reasons and not to satisfy other people.

[Starry Messenger]

12. This person was asked yesterday to leave the forum.

You needn't answer this post, he won't be answering today.

[Heather MC]

14. Good then, you're not the one who alerted my post, and tried to get it closed.

Some obviously don't like it.

I am not saying that someone merely typing "in particular in the best interest of PoC" means that I must then go vote based on their say so.

I was just wondering how the DU community would respond to Someone of another race stating what's in their best interest. And since the Poster of was white, as he stated that he was, I specifically wondered out loud. How White DU members would respond to a Black DU member, stating what's in the best interest of White People?

I got my answer. They would try their best to shut down my post. Even though all the conversations were civil

[Agschmid]

22. So I don't want to overstep... AA hosts feel free to ask me to delete.

It's my opinion, and mine alone that your first OP may have been a callout, especially with the direct link to the post in discussion. That again in my opinion only could appear to be meta. Those two things are not usually allowed in GD.

Hosts aren't perfect, we don't always get it right, and if we don't get an alert we don't go out of the way to lock stuff... Most of us don't like the censorship factor, unless it's a clear violation or we have consensus.

So...

In my opinion I think the person who alerted believed this post was in GD, they may have made a mistake and I understand that mistake. If this had been posted in GD and not AA the alert likely would have made sense.

Again I'm just trying to make sense of it, feel free to PM me if you want.

Thanks.

[TreasonousBastard]

13. Hosts can do that...

if they feel a thread is too... something or other.

I think that was a lot less disruptive than a lot of the crap that gets posted in GD, but it was a bit meta. Complaining about another post in GD is generally a no-no, even if a jury passes it.

But, since you ask, I wouldn't really care if it was simply an opinion.

[Heather MC]

29. What is "Meta"

Sorry I don't keep up with new Lingo, I have seen this three times today first I have heard of it.

I was not complaining about the post, nor trying to attack the poster, unfortunately, that how some took it. It just struck me as odd and I only mentioned his post because it inspired my question

[TreasonousBastard]

32. Consider it "whining, complaining, or griping about DU"...

But please don't take it as an insult. It's rarely, if ever, meant as an attack, usually more of an ironic observation.

There was a Meta forum a while ago where everyone with a gripe went to vent, and it got so out of hand they shut it down and the kind of discussions that went on in there became pretty much forbidden.

So, now "Meta" is basically shorthand for griping.

[Chemisse]

30. It's probable that the OP was considered to be a meta-discussion

(talking about other threads and DUers, etc), which hosts are expected to lock.

Juries look at something different - at whether the post is offensive, usually.

You might want to pm the locking host - or any of the hosts really - if you want an explanation, or if you want to appeal the lock.

[Heather MC]

31. It's Fine, I thought after the Jury decision it would not be locked

but whatever, you can only discuss Race and racism in DU if it's strictly about the Right.

Discussing Racial issues within the party, tends to have negative reaction. It's unfortunate, because I don't understand how people can claim to be Allies but not want to here what we have to say.

Again though, the conversation within the thread was civil, even if people disagreed with me, that was fine, no one was out line. I think DU would have survived if it hadn't been locked

[azurnoir]

35. Your post was locked because you linked to a OP from another DUer making it a call out or meta

that is the sole reason period, most if not all such threads are locked-some do slip by, most do not, you could seriously run the same thread sans the link or call out and it would be fine

I am a forum Host and I was on the jury for the thread too, I voted to not to hide it on the jury and voted to lock it as a host because there was absolutely no ToS violation but there was an SoP violation

[Number23]

36. Well, we have non-black people racing up and down GD and GD-P with thread after thread

after thread telling black folks what's good for us and how we need to fight for our rights and survival so what else would you expect from this place???

My question was, how would white DU members like it if Black DU Members Posted which candidates were in the best of White People?

But it's their job to inform us what we need and what's good for us. Didn't you know that? And how can us lowly Negroes know what's in their best interest when we are not members of their communities and do not know what they endure? We are not blessed with the divine wisdom to know all the way that they are.

It tickles me to no end. A black person will say to these people, "I don't know anyone black who agrees with any of the unhinged BS that you are spouting" and the response to that is always "Who appointed you the SPOKESPERSON for all black people!1one"

Yet some white, South Asian, or decidedly NON BLACK person will trip over themselves to condemn #BLM and cry crocodile tears that us black folks are "hurting our cause" and this same crowd who screamed at ACTUAL BLACK PEOPLE for speaking our minds cannot applaud that closedminded stupidity any faster. This place has lost it. 100 percent lost it.

[Heather MC]

38. To be a true Ally, you must first Shut up, listen, learn, then ask questions

but just stating I am an Ally and this is what you should do, this is how you should feel, and this should be your reaction to XYZ, is not an Ally.

That's at best a Nice Mas'sa

I personally Applaud her efforts, how many times have high profiled people white and black gotten on TeeVee and told black people what they need to do, to not get shot and killed by police. Or how we black woman need to get married.

Everybody always has some great advice to dole out to us. And Nobody comes to our aid to defend us in strong out spoken way.

But they hear this young woman go up there and shout a problem she sees among White liberals, and all the white liberals are screaming, nope she's wrong, Taz her and make her stfu.

Maybe the lil' sista had a point.

[Number23]

39. "make her stfu" That one thing has been their goal above EVERYTHING ELSE

make her stfu
make her stfu
make her stfu

And not just her, her and everyone that supports her.

[Quayblue]

45. I don't know how the f*ck they think black folks

Have managed not to become extinct in the good ole United States of America. It requires thinking, honesty, awareness and planning down to the minute.

The assertion that we are unable to think for ourselves though we've managed to survive thus far in this racist society really lets me know these mf'ers know jack shit about black life and wouldn't care to. The gas lighting that goes on here is epic.

[Number23]

46. Abso-fucking-lutely. If these same folks had to be black for a DAY they'd shrivel and die

But they are still so entrenched in their idea that they are smarter, better, STRONGER and wiser than all of us that they just can't see how incredibly patronizing, dishonest and just plain stupid the idea that we need to be lead by the hand and need their guidance to survive is.

We have survived for centuries IN SPITE of these people. One of the many reasons we started our own schools. Our own hospitals. Our own organizations. Our own MUSIC. We don't need them or their patronizing idiocy and never have.

[Cha]

43. Good Question, Heather MC. I think African Americans will know which is the

best candidate for them.

They don't needed BS supporters telling them who's in their "best interest".

Everybody can figure out who is the best for themselves.