African American
Related: About this forumSo Bravenak was finally shut down
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=300456&sub=trans
Let me preface my remarks by saying I am white. I don't know why I need to point it out but one of the denizens of this board pointed it out to me and implied because I am white I can't speak about issues that affect African Americans yet many denizens of this board, the vast majority of whom are white have no such compunction. In fact some seem to want to circumcsribe how black people act, who their leaders should and shouldn't be, and how those leaders should act.
....
Now that we got that out of the way...There is something profoundly wrong with a Democratic board that represents a party that is nearly 45% non white that there are so few non white members of this board and that another non white voice has been shut down.
Something isn't right.
DemocratSinceBirth
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)On Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:03 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Hillary is not doing those type of events.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1171048
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
A poster attacking a large group of liberals and progressives turning out for a Democrat and calling them "white ass" crowds and saying it "scares" her? This is ratfucking 101 and the type of shit I expect over at Discussionist.
JURY RESULTS
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:12 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Divisive bullshit
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's just an opinion
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerted alerts on this post and then goes into the attack mode, not nice.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Partisan alert, nothing more.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Comparing Bernie supporters to tea party is OTT.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yep. Over the top hyperbole and insulting.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
IMHO, the alerter's comments are more abusive than the post which was alerted and a direct attack on the poster.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It has been observed that the absolute worst thing anyone can do to a white liberal is point out their flirtations with the racist line. We have seen time and again, where DUers (Black DUers) were censured for calling out racist statement; while, the DUer that actually made the statement is made out to be the victim.
Warpy
(111,367 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:34 AM - Edit history (1)
I get my nosed rubbed in things I'd rather not notice and I don't like it at all, stomping around, throwing pillows and swearing for a while. I don't, however, use the alert button. If it's justified, I sulk for a while and accept the education. If it isn't, I fire back.
I'm very angry that BravenAK has been suspended. I've been a fan of her posts and I hate the way she was targeted. When she comes back, and I sincerely hope she does, maybe making use of the "banned juror" feature would be a good idea for her. I'm sure she knows some of her
targeters.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Warpy
(111,367 posts)While I have only two on my own list, I do feel your pain.
It would help if people had to be members of protected groups where they alert on posts. Open forums could still be donnybrooks.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but the trashing didn't take ... I still see posts from that Group. I didn't trash it because I didn't/don't want to see the posts; but rather, out of the frustration of reading and writing a response, only to find I could not post it because I was blocked from the group.
I would like to see the end of anonymous alerting and anonymous jurors ... anonymity promotes cowardly conduct.
Warpy
(111,367 posts)Mine has stayed resolutely sealed against GD-P posts. I see them only if I'm called up on a jury.
Maybe the star helps, dunno about that.
I agree that anonymity has given a few bullies tremendous power here. It would help if the DU PTB would track each person's alert history to get rid of people who tend to alert on anyone who disagrees with them, however mildly.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Warpy
(111,367 posts)because I'm a sarcastic old bag and I hate bogus alerts from thin skinned morons who can't take being disagreed with. Your suggestion might help but they'd likely just post "agree with alerter."
The problem with the system as it stands is that there is no appeals process.
still_one
(92,433 posts)If someone comes out and calls someone a rapist, and the person isn't a rapist, what should the person unfairly being called a rapist do?
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)in these discussions. Nobody gets any special breaks or gets any special right to make scurrilous accusations.
Nobody gets to lay the burdens and sins of the past, or purge their personal demons, on another poster and expect them to lay back and take it.
This is getting McCarthyesque. "Are you now, or have you ever been..."
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)On Wed Aug 5, 2015, 09:21 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
A non black poc talking shit about us black ones.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=494218
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Referring to a DUer of color as a token is totally over the top offensive.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Aug 5, 2015, 09:25 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A rant but no personal insults. Seems like another in the long line of let's get bravenak alerts. I have a suggestion. Find something else to do.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: She has the right be heard.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Edit token out and this would be OK with me.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
This harmless reply barely survived the jury.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)..."look at that white-ass crowd".... Imagine the howls of indignation if someone had said something about all the "black-ass" crowds at an Obama event...
Oh, and the tea party treats you better? Fuck off with that shit.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)"White-ass crowd" and "black-ass crowd" are not equivalents as insults. It's a common problem, taking offense at insults aimed at the empowered and trying to equate those insults with those aimed at the historically oppressed.
Is "white-ass" the most polite way to state that opinion? No, but it's a mild epithet not worth a hide.
Demit
(11,238 posts)Not saying it's impossible, just that having been a white person for a long time I've never heard it.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)completely divorced from reality this place is now.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)There's a difference between punching up and punching down.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)What's the problem? I don't expect you to know why there's nothing wrong with that statement. You have to live it.
Response to truebrit71 (Reply #26)
Post removed
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)FYI, This was on the main page and is the only reason I commented at all.
Number23
(24,544 posts)You've now been informed where you're posting and have been asked to not return. Twice now.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)....
Number23
(24,544 posts)Response to truebrit71 (Reply #26)
Ed Suspicious This message was self-deleted by its author.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)On Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
That's a well-deserved hide....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=20521
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Disgusting post, in the AA group no less. Totally inappropriate.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Aug 9, 2015, 05:04 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Why the jury system extends to protected groups. Since they have hosts (or whatever it's called), what's the point of something that can override the hosts? Or quite possibly I am confused. Yeah, this is meta. So sue me.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a jury would vote to hide the post of a group's host asking someone that is posting counter to that groups mission to leave the group?
Should she have just wielded the block hammer with no warning?
Change days we have here on DU ... and as a DUer noted in another OP, "protect me from (those claiming to be) my allies!"
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)This post should have been hidden.
To quote your words:
"Fuck off with that shit."
I suggest that you take your own advice.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Telling another DUer to fuck off is a personal attack, even when done in a roundabout, passive-aggressive way.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:17 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So, this post was alerted, but not the one quoted? Double-standard much?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The post above this thread should be hidden as well. I suspect that is who alerted on this. Just about how that sort of thing works, the one who throws the second punch always gets caught.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: quoting someone's words back at them is not hideworthy
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hardly hideworthy in a thread like this.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: disagree with the alerter. everyone needs to try to tone it down a bit. too much rancor.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not going to hide a post because the post quotes another DUer. If the quote is that offensive, the post it came from should have been alerted on. I see this alert as a passive-aggressive bullshit attack.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)assuming that the person interacting with her did the alerting?
GP6971
(31,222 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)alerts are anonymous and juries are anonymous.
riversedge
(70,328 posts)In solidarity
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It is Deeply disturbing.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I have a friend who is black and left of center like me who has so much life experience. He was born in NY to a Kenyan diplomat , went to English run boarding schools in Kenya and high school and college in England. He's been in the U S since his mid twenties so he can speak to being a black guy on three continents. I would invite him here but he would think I was a kook.
jalan48
(13,894 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Five gets you a timeout...I guess the two came after the timeout.
jalan48
(13,894 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)It's interesting that six of the seven hides were 4-3 votes and FOUR were last night.
Seems the word has gotten out?
All seven can be read on her transparency page - people can judge for themselves.
Purrfessor
(1,188 posts)Bravenak's comment was in no way a personal attack or insult. The alerter's comment made a couple very disparaging remarks about Bravenak that anyone would have found offensive.
I voted to leave Bravenak's comment alone. The vote went against her 4-3.
Clearly there are DU members who, when they dislike someone, they will go out of their way to alert on them for reasons that do not rise to alert material.
It ticks me off when I see it.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)And alert the administrators to the offensive comments...... there's a button on the bottom of the PM
Response to George II (Reply #16)
magical thyme This message was self-deleted by its author.
George II
(67,782 posts)As I mentioned, the seven hidden posts are on her transparency page. People can read them and judge for themselves.
Response to George II (Reply #40)
magical thyme This message was self-deleted by its author.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)ordering everybody around and screaming until they got their way, and then when they got their way and shut down the event, started name calling the people who went there to hear about social security and decided to leave because the social security event was officially over.
Also the security guards who stood there and didn't stop the girls from getting up on the stage. That was a pretty shocking display of ineptitude. I slipped past far better security at a Doors concert, but although I did get by I didn't last long
For the record, I can't watch Caribou Barbie or Ann Coulter or Donald Trump or Chris Christie or any number of white people without wanting to throw things at them. And I consider them to be spoiled brats too.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)and telling people you put her on ignore. Sorry not all Black people can't be as nice as your qualifications require.
White people threatening to throw things as Black people, or feeling hostile about their protests, are hardly on the same level as being pissed about some ultra-right enemies who are white. You equating them says far more about your perceptions than you might figure.
JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)Im asking you as a group host - please trash the group.
These posts come across as gloating at best. I can appreciate your pov but I'm not up for thread watching today. I dont want anymore pms about it. Thanks!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I will delete my posts and trash the group as requested.
One of the dangers of having a lot of recs is a post gets listed in various places on the home page and attracts a lot of attention.
JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)will leave the rest.
Have a nice rest of the day.
Number23
(24,544 posts)or this forum.
Cha
(297,772 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)or so I've read on DU.
Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #58)
magical thyme This message was self-deleted by its author.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)And that is such an odd way to describe someone pointing out race matters that it strikes me exactly as it did her: a tad too close to calling her the "n" word. I say that as a white person with a professional history of monitoring Federal anti-discrimination programs.
Bigots always think they're clever when they do that. If that poster just made an unfortunate choice of words, I hope that the person has profusely apologized to bravenak in public and private and also apologized to DU for it.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)There certainly is a group on DU that is extremely thin skinned.
Bravenak has been punished by this group for speaking up.
It's bullshit.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)I used to be a Bernie Supporter, until I saw how blatantly some Bernie supporters were manipulated. Yes, the BLM also had their instigators, but the tone many Bernie people took to their person being criticized was the high and mighty "how darest thou?" tone that yes, does speak of privilege. Sorry, you do not have the right to barge into the African American group and be arrogant while complaining about what BLM did. You really do not have the right to grave dance over bravenak while doing that, and you certainly do not get to say "maybe she did it herself."
Do not get me wrong, I really have a nasty feeling that in 2017, all sorts of Magoo will hatch from the corpse, paid for both by Koch money and my Hill's friends in Wall Street. That will not stop me from voting TO KEEP THE GOP OUT, but I will say that right now, the Democrats are at their lowest point since 2008, and once again, it is being done by people who want to argue about whether race or class is the issue, when they are both part of the whole that the privileged majority uses to stay privileged.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)don't let idiot supporters on the Internet make that choice for you.
brer cat
(24,621 posts)you are calling out bravenak while you are in the AA Group, and when she isn't here to respond.
JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)I asked the poster to trash the group.
brer cat
(24,621 posts)You are very diligent. It is a painful day around here, and salt in wounds is never appreciated.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and there is/has been a (imo) coordinated attempt to silence Black voices that talk real about race issues.
I know because I have experienced it to the point that I think twice before posting on threads discussing liberals and race issues.
jalan48
(13,894 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)before going back to a cushy wall street job
Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)of race and ethnicity. Hope that's not too hard for you to figure out. Enjoy your stay here.
sheshe2
(83,940 posts)to come into the AA Group and trash African Americans? You have all of GD and GDP to do that.
Cha
(297,772 posts)do.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)If I wanted a self confirming feedback loop, I could lock into Fox News, MSNBC, or some other place that spits out a çanned message every day.
If all we're going to do around here is have a non stop food fight between candidates, stomp out people who point out how the candidates can be better, it's going to be a long, boring ride that produces little electoral success.
bravenak is not some troll sitting around delighting in the harassment of white people, she's authentic, passionate about making sure candidates understand the realities of life for POC, even posted links of blogs where we could all gain some perspective.
Even though there were times we disagreed, DU losing her means DU losing perspective.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Ironically, Bravenak was a STRONG Bernie supporter; but, Bernie supporter took her advice to Bernie as a personal affront.
And funny ... many of these same folks were quick to apply the "Hero worshiper" label to others.
Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #22)
magical thyme This message was self-deleted by its author.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Far too many people pissed all over what she had to say.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)probably a bit more than HRC today.
I got kicked out of the Bernie group today for arguing Bernie needs to step up and lead his campaign to a better relationship with BLM and all constituencies within the Democratic Party.
They have a losing strategy if they think they can win without building relationships with communities whose votes they need...
Very strange...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)it is consistent with their belief that they are the center of the political universe ... regardless, of what the data indicates.
It's called narcissistic delusion.
mcar
(42,388 posts)I so appreciate the perspectives of people who are not just like me.
Bravenak is a wonderful poster. I have learned much from her, 1SBM and other Af Am DUers.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)White woman here too, who appreciates the chance to follow threads and posts that represent a variety of views from posters in this forum.
It is very disturbing that DUers are targeting African-American posters for repeated alerting.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)#BLM is now under the bus--as far as I've seen anything tossed.
I'll tell you what, Sanders had one rally--wasn't even his rally he was just there --interrupted. He then went on to speak to thousands of adoring fans. I don't know the racial composition, but probably the same as usual. All hell breaks loose because a grassroots organization for African American people, started because they are being shot dead on the street DARED to confront a white liberal--who happens to be very popular. If people are really paying attention, this isn't the first time, or the second, or the 100th time white liberals have been critizised by PoC--far from it.
It's much like white feminism. As a white feminist, I HAVE to acknowledge we have failed women of color. Not all of us and not all the time, but consistently and it's only fairly recently that strong voices of these women (those who are not poets and authors) are speaking out to the point they're being heard, to the point white women make the effort to cross the divide. I think it was Bravenek who said "you have to come to us, we aren't going to you" and that's how it should be given all the history that's gone before.
All the history that's gone before--an important point I think
Bravenak tried, as hard as I've seen anyone try, to reach across racial divides and get folks to listen. I saw her comments, read her OP's tried to learn, as much as I could -as another white person--from what she was trying to say. (No Hillary fan, she) And she was shut down.
Something wrong? It's probably an understatement.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)So I invited you to post that as it's own thread.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)I will.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)sheshe2
(83,940 posts)It was a great post!
Spazito
(50,495 posts)I am beyond disgusted at the concerted effort put toward shutting Bravenak down, it became almost pathological, imo. Alert after alert after alert because some can't handle the unvarnished truth Bravenak was working so hard at trying to get DUers to understand. Her commitment to keep trying even in the face of so many insults and ugly responses is incredible and made me respect her even more.
She kept trying to tell DUers that it wasn't only on DU where there is anger at the way too many Bernie supporters attacking Black Lives Matter and the black community, I am hearing it covered on shows like Melissa Harris Perry's show and all over the internet.
I have learned so much from Bravenak's posts, it is appalling her voice has been silenced, imo.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Right Wing talking point right there!
Number23
(24,544 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)"probably the same as usual"
No more, no less.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)This is just WRONG.
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)I rarely vote to hide anything, whether I agree or not doesn't matter. what matters to me is it an over the top attack, foul words, or an obvious troll, other than that I expect people to defend themselves or with help from our more experienced members in defending a POV.
If someone is just being passive aggressive or the "so are you but what am I" nonsense, well their foolishness is obvious to all.
It seems so easy to get someone kicked out of here.
jalan48
(13,894 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I've learned a LOT. Her voice will be sorely missed. If there was ever a time for Skinner to override the juries, it's now. She was clearly targeted.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Right F@#%ing NOW!!!!
blackspade
(10,056 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Wanna bet what group they hang out in?
GP6971
(31,222 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And all juries 4-3? Please. Something is wrong with the system here.
sheshe2
(83,940 posts)Thanks for posting the timeline. That speaks volumes.
betsuni
(25,668 posts)but the vote was to leave it. A flurry of alerts. And these are the jackasses who accuse others of "swarming."
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I said if there ever was a time for one, it's now.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)But what is and what should be are not the same. I was speaking of what SHOULD, not what is or what will. But I'm pretty sure you knew that.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)DU's no different than the real world: popular vote is not the way to sustain basic community standards in a community with a specific,limited political bent. This ain't Discussionist or other yahoo boards.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)something other than DEMOCRATIC underground.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)There are few enough already and we make this an unwelcome place and juries run them off by shutting them up.
ugh.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yes....
Black lives do matter....of course. Only a Teabagger would think otherwise.
But the most disturbing thing I've learned is the AA community is falling hook line and sinker for Right Wing talking points.... like Sanders doesn't care as much about AA problems as Hillary. This is a lying Conservative meme started the minute they noticed there were a lot of white people in VT and NH. It's an attempt to manipulate the high emotions around race relations.
It's absurd. It's deliberately divisive (and has worked like a charm). It comes from the GOP. It had PoC using terms like "white ass crowd" that "scares them" and comparing them the the Teabaggers..... at a Bernie Sanders rally! WTF? The BLM disruption just played into the GOP's intentions.
I can't believe who's fallen for it! Por ejemplo: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027058753
Any time anyone points this out, they are immediately "suspect" of being either a white supremacist, or someone incapable of "understanding or speaking on race issues".
Stop this championing of GOP talking points! Please.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)insistence that Sanders and his supporters were uniquely the source of the problem made her posts suspect. The rage that POC are feeling is genuine and needs expression, but directing it almost exclusively at Bernie and his supporters is counterproductive. I would not have shut her down, but I do think BLM is being used politically to the detriment of Bernie, BLM, and the left in general.
Cha
(297,772 posts)and supporters of #BlackLIvesMatter .. after NRN.
Spazito
(50,495 posts)accusing them of using Atwater tactics, that Black Lives Matter is a front for Hillary Clinton and George Soros, inferring the black community is only supporting Hillary because of name recognition and not because they completely understand what ALL the candidates are saying and have chosen their preferred candidate on the ISSUES. These kinds of attacks and even the accusations are often used by the right wing yet your post infers you don't see it.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Interesting.
Just how have BOC found out about Sanders and his positions? There have been no Dem debates. Have Hillary and the others even been in the same room yet?
People HAVE heard for a month or so now, starting with the GOP, that not enough black people are at Sanders' events and a whole slew of absurd "it's what he's not saying" complaints. Not so for O'Malley.
"name recognition and not because they completely understand what ALL the candidates are saying and have chosen their preferred candidate on the ISSUES."
They know all the issues (seems like they're stuck on one false one: Sanders doesn't care about blacks)) and have chosen their candidate accordingly?
How can this possibly be?... unless one is just listening to GOP talking points....and a single black activist org. that is screeching, not listening to what the Dems are saying.
Spazito
(50,495 posts)if they would only shut up, sit down and politely applaud Bernie, they would be 'good activists' instead of "screeching" activists. Got it.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Disruptions do not make people want to listen to you, y'know.
Why haven't they gone after their REAL foes? The GOP?
Why haven't they yelled and screamed at Hillary?
Why do you not want to answer these simple questions?
What's wong with having a BLM forum for the candidates? What's insulting about asking such a simple and obvious question?
And then there's ....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7060303
Spazito
(50,495 posts)Why didn't Senator Sanders react better? National candidates should expect protests, prepare for them and have a response yet there appeared to be no expectation, no preparation and a piss poor response afterwards.
That is the issue under discussion as opposed to the attempts at diversion found in your post.
Bad, bad protesters, they should not question, demand anything from the candidates who want their votes, they should sit down, shut up and vote the way they are told, right?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)There are other threads outside this group where you can have this discussion.
As JAG has noted, people in here who are not regular supporters of threads in here about African American issues are under greater scrutiny. Unless you plan on participating in a supportive way, I'll ask you to please cease posting in this thread or this forum. I have been entrusted with the block feature by the good people in here, and I will employ it if you post again after this warning. Thanks.
betsuni
(25,668 posts)why not accuse BLM of having PMS while you're at it.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Oh please. No one too dumb to find out. Where have you gone to research his issues?
So, what are Sanders positions? On a lot of issues? List them.
And how about this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7060303
See.... it's too early to make concrete decisions on any Dem candidate.
Everyone who disagrees with you is not a racist, y'know. (or maybe you don't)
Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Response to AlbertCat (Reply #51)
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senz
(11,945 posts)Very articulate; I share your perceptions but couldn't find words to express them. I also got the impression that Hillary supporters were aware of the same thing and enjoying it tremendously, which would explain why so many of them encouraged it.
I admire your courage in expressing this, Albert Cat. It's so important that you did.
On the other hand, I'm wary of any kind of banning. Seems like there should be a better way to resolve disagreements and hurt feelings.
Number23
(24,544 posts)so desperately believe, black people are FULLY capable of thinking for ourselves. We see and understand more than you ever will.
Please do not return to this thread or this forum.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Who said they weren't.
(you did)
Many people agree with what I wrote.
Check this out
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7060303
And stop telling me what to do.
JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)Please do not return to this thread or this forum.
I wrote co-host for a reason. I'm sorry - but I'm blocking you.
JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)There are so many other boards that will allow this -
I light of the tension caused by folks who ignore us until it comes time for chastise us for the past 48 hours -
The rudeness given back to you was why.
You were beyond patient, asked her to leave, she came back - told you what to do.
Gone.
That behavior may be allowed other Groups but it's not allowed here.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)That I am often not privy to...... it saddens me that so few members here can appreciate having something different from themselves and their thoughts expressed.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I agree. DU is definitely a poorer place without her voice!
greatauntoftriplets
(175,753 posts)Bravenak's certainly worth listening to and heeding her message.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It's a microcosm of the larger structure. It's ironic, because activists in other groups have often held up racism as the form of oppression that wouldn't get a pass here--but it looks like we let that one through just fine.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)The libertarians on this board who have embraced the candidate NOT HILLARY have notoriously thin skin.
DU is lessened by the absence of her voice.
The alert swarm has been busy.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)has been the business given to POC for the usual reasons. Mostly a lot of the privileged just cannot stand someone who is a POC pointing out their boils and picked scabs as UGLY and known for what they are. American society/culture/attitudes toward POC ain't never been right. Hasn't been for POC for over 300 years.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)new depths.
Why are we still here? How much lower can DU go? This place has no grip on reality, wallows in lies and bullshit, has absolutely no connection or correlation to the Dem Party and is overrun with trolls. Why are we still here?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)poster I've never seen back here. But he has dragged in all the expected talking points, and I hope the hosts are paying attention. As to your question, maybe we're just gluttons for punishment? Who the hell knows at this point?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Never seen a Democrat say the things I just read on the Greatest Threads page a couple of hours ago and left the site for freah air. I'd trashed GD Primaries and will trash GD as it's toxic. Can't believe what I read. /b]If you don't mind, I can ask the Democratic manager of a place coded like DU with no traffic now on a large website, who has asked me to manage it in the past, if the invitation still stands and I manage to contact her. It has many of the same features.
It can be made into a safe haven. It's been so long since most people posted there, it's like a ghost town. It's a very well set up site and was once very busy, but most of the posters on that website went to FB and Twitter. It's set up page wise like DU at View All.
I can't manage it but could get a few of you who know how to administer it (not hard, from what I was told) and ban disruptors and allow good discussions. No jury, no getting away with attacks.. Let me know if anyone is interested. It was once full of Obama fans and supporters, although baggers were tolerated if they behaved themselves. All of those are gone now.
We followed every news story and the elections very closelfy. It was what DU was meant to be.
If I can't get in touch, I can show you the forum, and a new forum can be set up there for AA's. I think the folks deserve a place to speak freely and not be censored like here. Let me know if you're interested by mail and I think you'd like the place. It's also got a number of international forums associated with it. And has been upgraded to handle the new devices.
BTW, I'm not advising you to leave DU... Just offering a suggestion for a place where you can safely talk to each other about issues and all that goes on and then return here. You are all too valuable for this 'community' to lose.
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Not being on Twitter and Facebook, of course I miss out and I prefer the format at forums,
Just thought it'd be a place for AA's to sit back and strategize and talk about what they really feel.
And she wants to get more AAs on DU to give a more diverse opinion. I think her plan is a winner and could be very fast.
.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)But the little pups as my husband started calling them this weekend - they are on social media. I'm pretty much out there inviting them to join DU and help us to help them.
By that - I mean older African Americans and those who are our strong allies -
We aren't engaged on the social media platforms. But we can help them. If they need my help - I will be there as much as I am for Generation Forward (the O'Malley supporting Super Pac - I can give money to since I tapped out my O'Malley contributions for the primary cycle). If it's my time, my presence at a rally, etc. etc. I'm here.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)heaven05? Is that why they wrote me to say they are leaving and may or may not be back?
I am hating this place with a passion. Will I leave, hell no I plan to double down.
I am so very sorry AA is being targeted, Number23. Sunday proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt and it coincides with the anniversary of Michael Brown's murder.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)When the owners of DU re-reformed version 3 by going to 7 person juries and up to 90 day time-outs for 5 hides they created a bounty hunting situation. There is nearly zero cost to alerting and there is a potentially huge benefit. Consequently, and entirely predictably, people alert on their opponents for every possible offense, framing alerts to coax hides from naive jurors, hoping to silence their opponents via the draconian time-outs.
The system needs to be modified to reduce the incentive for bounty hunting.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I don't like to see anyone 'silenced' for those type of comments. I also don't care for any posts, or headlines that mention skin color at all.
If its timeout, how long is it?
GP6971
(31,222 posts)"Flagged for Review"
Late October if her posting privileges aren't revoked.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Posts Hidden by Jury (last 90 days)
Posts hidden by Jury: 7
Total posts: 3008
Percentage of posts hidden: 0.23%
This system creates a disincentive for productive DU'ers to engage in controversial topics. Even if you didn't agree with everything they say, she, and others that engage in controversial topics, are the driving forces that keep DU interesting. Perhaps the total number of posts that lead to timeouts should increase with more productive DU'ers.
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Gman
(24,780 posts)It's all bogus and subject to the latest group think. And group think is a major distinguishing characteristic of DU.
As such, white Bernie supporters purged a Black because they didn't want to hear what he had to say about being Black. The consistent undeviated path is for Bernie supporters to tell Blacks what they should think, what they should and should not say and how to act.
Bernie supporters just don't get it. They don't like being told what they don't want to hear anymore than AA's do. But because white Sanders supporters cannot be told they are wrong by a Black, Bravenak is gone. This place is anything BUT the Democratic Underground. I hope Skinner gets a handle on this real quick or else DU will have a rap that sticks that it's a haven for group think white liberals who exclude the Black message. That is, beyond the AA community.
And I'm as white as they are.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The fact is, the libertarians, aka "This whole fight is about letting us do what we wanna d, but screw anyone else but me, especially YOU" crowd have INFESTED this party. They have infested DU, and they are right now in their respective Caves and discussion areas bragging about how they are changing the game. If Skinner tries to muzzle them, they wave their checkbooks, and Skinner realizes he better make sure they get the best slice of cake, and that he better tolerate them even as they piss on the floor and flip him the finger. That is why there is both that site that rhymes with "percussionist" and an all for Hillary site, for the people that, unlike the African American board, will simply ban you and make sure you do not mix with them, unlike the AA forum, which seems to have a sign on it that says "white people can come and yell at black people here."
Now, for those AA's that vote for Hillary, I will not disrespect you, especially as Nader's failed experiment reminds me that not voting for the Democrat is exactly what they want. However, I do hope Hillary rewards the loyalty that is being shown to her, instead of listening to her advisers who are already planning business as normal (or worse) come February 2017.
To those who come here to troll and yell at Black people, I say this, I know you would never tolerate people coming to the Bernie and Hillary boards and acting so rude. Your actions speak loud and clear.
brer cat
(24,621 posts)Something isn't right at DU, and it isn't getting any better.
K&R
freshwest
(53,661 posts)K&R for Awareness.
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Freelancer This message was self-deleted by its author.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #98)
Freelancer This message was self-deleted by its author.
JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)But you won't be.
Cha
(297,772 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)Cha
(297,772 posts)wanted her silenced.
You can shut your eyes and put your fingers in your ears.. but the truth is still going on.. that's not going to change.
Your loss.
Number23
(24,544 posts)(Even though heaven isn't a Soul Sister)
Lyric snip:
To my sisters I communicate
With the bass and tone
Thru speakers and the microphone
Cause I'm tired of America dissin' my sisters
(For example, like they dissed Tawana)
And they try to say she's a liar
My people don't believe it
But even now they're getting higher
Of the feeling inspiration
We must know that in this nation
Every single generation
(They teach us how to diss our sisters)
Stange as you say, I say revolution
Need for change brings on revolution
The great book just look see solution
...They disrespected mama and treated her like dirt
America took her, reshaped her, raped her
Nope, it never made the paper
Beat us, mated us
Made us attack our woman in black
So I said sophisticated B, don't be one
Not to head the warning crack of dawn
Or is it the dawn of crack?
Stop the talk they say, but
We talk and say whats right or wrong
Some say we wasting time singin' a song
But why is it that we're many different shades
Black woman's privacy invaded years and years
You cannot count my mama's tears
It's not the past but the future's
What she fears
Strong we be strong
The next generation
It's what not who we are facin'
The fingers pointed to us in our direction
The blind state of mind needs correction
Word to the mother we tighten connection
To be a man you need no election
This generation generates a new attitude
Sister to you we should not be rude
So we come together
And make 'em all say
Damn this generation
JI7
(89,276 posts)And snowden who wrote about shooting people.
And now they are outraged . And it's the worst injustice ever.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... don't like being questioned.
They get to decide who the sinners are (Obama, Clinton, anyone who supports them), and who the saints are (flavor of the month).
Cha
(297,772 posts)I see this boomeranging on their fake "liberal" asses one of these fine days.
I can't even with this nonsense. It is completely bizarre. Silencing good DUers ... and for what?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)This fucking place.
JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)Bullshit
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The alerts have been flying like crazy, I've been on three juries today, I think. And the crap that should be hidden is flying proudly.
JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)Just gave her the boot! You want to be snotty - go to the Sanders group and grave dance there.
And there is nothing that should have been hidden in what heaven posted
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The block feature is my favorite thing about DU3, for real. I wish I had it in my real life.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)"his supporters represent, a very disguised 'brown shirt mentality'. Seen it before in history"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1171441
you support that shit? Seriously?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'm fine.
I think we are shedding an alarming number of Black posters on DU, for a fight that centers around the purported anti-racism efforts of a politician.
Don't snarl at me about what I do and don't support, there is a metric shitload of racist bullshit on this website today being egged on and encouraged. The fact that you would noodle your way all the way down this thread to chew me out? Hilarious.
Cha
(297,772 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It isn't my space. But there's a serious forest/trees problem when someone can't step back and say "Whoa, this website is really running through Black posters like crazy!"
Cha
(297,772 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)in the main forums without having to follow them into this protected group to finish the job?
Just look at this thread, the poster makes a valid point.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)How many African American DUers have gotten timeouts in the last few months for being too outspoken against Bernie?
If you wanted to disprove a brown shirt mentality, that isn't the way to go about it.
It's like Trump reacting to questions about misogyny by claiming Kelly was on her period.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Excellent.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)You can't even perform hosting duties and tell people what is not permitted in a group without some Bernie supporters wanting to hide your post.
Once again, if this is the way you guys go about trying to disprove the accusation of brown shirt mentality, I can tell you that you are going about it the wrong way.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)I should go get myself a hide just to be in solidarity with these people for speaking the truth.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Bravenak is a very good poster. I have enjoyed all of my interactions with her, both when we agreed and when we had (usually mild) disagreements. Anybody that can't see that Bravenak is a good, productive member of the DU community does not have the best intentions for the DU community.
There was once a "purge" of LGBT posters on DU. I really hope the recent events do not lead to a similar effect for African Americans. Without a large group of people of color, this would not be a Democratic message board.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)some time ago.
The last 24 hours just sealed the deal.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)He has been way too slow to figure out how to reach out to BLM.
And the fact that his supporters here suddenly don't like vigorous protests when they have supported it in virtually every other situation and have gone out of their way to hide the posts of several African American DU posters here to the point they have gotten lengthy timeouts makes me wonder if I could support Bernie or even vote for him at this point.
The killing and abuse of people of color by police is one of the most pressing problems today. To this point, you can't worry about income inequality if you are dead.
The arrogance and entitlement by far too many Bernie supporters, with him doing nothing to rectify this, makes him an unacceptable candidate and not just in the primary. This is NOT just on DU. Bernie supporters are attacking BLM on Twitter and have been doing so since Netroots.
If I am called to defend Bernie on TV in the future, let's just say that Bernie supporters are not going to like what I have to say.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I would love to hear what you have to say.
Cha
(297,772 posts)?@NerdyWonka People who screamed for years, "hold Pres. Obama's feet to the fire!" are now saying "why are you mean to Bernie?"
LMAO.
Pass the popcorn.
Retweets
137 104Favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/08/09/rise-and-shine-1076/
I'm glad we're not going to have to even think about voting for BS.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)(Edit to add my apologies that I'm not familiar with what all led to Bravenak being suspended. I've only very recently been reading DU again. The silencing of PoC wouldn't surprise me in the least.)
I don't agree with any Bernie supporters and others who are denigrating and distancing themselves from #BlackLivesMatter based on two disruptive protests (protests are supposed to disrupt). Many feel it isn't fair that Bernie was targeted over any GOP candidate, but that's life -- and that's politics. Bernie is a big boy. How he responds to it is more important than anything, imho. (I happen to believe there are logistical reasons for this and that #BLM will have a presence at many, many political events from now on.)
As someone who is leaning toward Bernie, I happen to think this is GOOD. Much as you said in your GD OP, Steve. It's keeping this issue front and center. FINALLY. Now, I understand we all view things differently based on our individual life experiences and perspectives, but even though Bernie could have handled both Netroots and the first Seattle rally better, I don't think he has handled it badly. I think he is evolving and putting racial justice more front and center, much as Washington State Senator Pramila Jayapal said in her FB message yesterday:
That's a huge platform for our messages. There's more to do and learn for sure, but is any one of us perfect? The most we can ask for is for someone who listens and cares deeply, who is trustworthy, and who will do what he says. I know I learned a lot in my campaign and I will continue to grow from listening to people's voices. I believe Bernie Sanders is growing too--and I hope (and yes, believe) that we'll look back on this and see his emergence as a leader who brings our movements for economic, racial and social justice together in a powerful way.
I'm thinking back to the times I have judged a candidate based on his/her supporters, mainly Tea Party people. In those instances, the candidates were egging on the racist, bigoted, ugliness. The candidate was, for the most part, in alignment with the crowds' views.
But Bernie isn't racist or bigoted as far as I can tell (not that I'm saying he has many followers who ARE). He has a lot more to learn for sure now that he's on a national stage, but I do see him shifting toward a focus on racial justice. He's definitely moving in the right direction for those of us fighting for racial, social and economic justice. (I admit that I'd prefer a black, gay, Muslim woman be the candidate who carries the message of justice, but she isn't here...yet.)
Hopefully he will offer a very specific platform regarding criminal justice reform soon, if he hasn't done so already. That is very specifically what #BLM is asking of these candidates. (Honestly, I'm not following any candidates' every step at this point.)
Now, as for his supporters, here are my thoughts:
I don't think it's helpful to judge a group of people based on the actions of a small percentage, whether it is Bernie supporters no longer supporting #BLM (and some actively dissing it), or #BLM supporters being against Bernie Sanders and all of his supporters.
This is an instance where focusing on the candidate's message, which isn't reflective some of his/her supporters' actions and messages, may be wisest. This all gets too nasty on DU, just as it did in the 2008 primaries. I have to keep reminding myself that DU is usually not reflective of the larger citizenry.
I admit that I have personally witnessed and been surprised by the number of my friends (outside of DU; I haven't engaged here enough lately to really have a good feel for anyone any more) who support Bernie yet seemed willing to throw #BLM under the bus after Seattle. In fact, I've had the thought that, given how quickly and aggressively they voiced their denunciation, it does feel as though they were waiting for a reason to do so. And these are people who I previously thought were aware of the state of white privilege in this country and why the message of Black Lives Matter is critically important. People are literally dying every day because of the color of their skin. I get the frustration by the AA Group in getting white DUers who truly feel they are liberal/progressive to also see their often subconscious bias and unnecessary defensiveness. That whole white fragility thing.
So, I don't know. I'm going to keep paying close attention to not only Bernie's message, but his supporters so that I can get a feel for his base. I consider myself in his base but, again, I absolutely support the message of #BLM, even if it manifests in a way that is too messy or uncomfortable for some people. I hope there are more of me out there than not. Even if there aren't, I am going to try not to let that affect how I'm perceiving Bernie's message and platform. The same holds true for the other candidates, btw. I want to see a lot of diversity in all of those crowds and for the candidates to be putting racial justice front and center in a solid way with a clear plan for how they would act upon it.
This MLK message (per riversedge on a GD thread) is spot on, imho.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I wrote awhile back about a gathering I attended of Black professionals, all of whom are politically and socially active. One of the consensus comments made was, it is difficult to think about working with Bernie supporters, as it is; they will be intolerable in their arrogance, should Bernie gain the Democratic nomination.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Borderline censorship. And she's lost for three months because her fifth hide was back on July 23.
Big loss for the forum
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)The same rules apply to everyone. And believe it or not, most people never get any hides!
One hide may be a bad break - 2 a fluke, but you have to be doing something wrong to get 5 or more.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)The same rules apply to everyone. And believe it or not, most people never get any hides! One hide may be a bad break - 2 a fluke, but you have to be doing something wrong to get 5 or more."
It has nothing to do with bravenak's hue and her deigning to run afoul of Democratic Underground orthodoxy.
In this very thread a host of this group got a hide for asking an unwelcome guest to leave the group:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118720489
I find your attack on my character, calling me disingenuous, deeply...deeply...deeply offensive.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)My buddy used to work in the Human Resources department for the city of Orlando. One of his responsibilities was to look for patterns of discrimination in hiring and firing. When a minority group was less likely to be hired or more likely to be fired there was prima facie evidence of discrimination and the burden was on the city to rebut that assertion. Just a cursory review of the hides the African American posters and their allies here have accumulated suggest certain posters from certain groups are being singled out for disparate treatment.
All one has to do to test my hypothesis is click on their profile page and see the number of hides they have accumulated.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)"bravenak This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
130. Hillary is not doing those type of events.
And she trys to neet with members of the group personally and makes a big to do over offering her full support.
Nobody is going to assuage the feelings of Bernie fans. They don't asuage ours, so why do they expect anyhing? They have been nasty and rude for a while now. That is probably why Bernie is the ONLY one still getting heckled. They fans of the other two do not act like that. Omally fans did not race atound to find enough white voices to drown out the black voices. That is all Bernie folks have been doing lately (not all, but enough that I find it shocking). Even tea party folks were nicer to me personally. That is scary. And look at those white ass crowds. Just look. That shit scares me too. Not only are they white but they seem to hate black protestirs and talk crap about them all the live long day. It scares me. I don't want a crowd like that having power over me.
A Jury voted 4-3 to hide this post on Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:12 PM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate."
bravenak This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
"75. Not all. But I'm sure some were. I notice it in his supporters.
The only supoorters in this campaign season to constantly malign black activist and harass black folks are his. Talk down to us. Whitesplain black poverty to black academics. Expect us to genuflect. Really. I notice it constantly. They barrage black people with MLK quotes like we're such idiots that we can be swayed by quotes and promises of retribution if we do not behave. Yep. I got my SNOOTFULL of the white supremacists supporters. They were mistaken to apologize but they probably got harassed into it by white people.
A Jury voted 5-2 to hide this post on Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:24 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate."
What scares me are those on DU that continue to drive a wedge among members based on the color of a person's skin, that is not productive IMHO. Bravenak shut herself down.
Who does this benefit, not the majority of people IMO.
I served on a later jury and voted to let it stand, juror #3.
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On Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:54 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Yeah. Some are. Not surprising looking at his crowds.nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1171059
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
he is claiming Bernies supporters are white supremacists just because of the way they look.
JURY RESULTS
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:12 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If this poster wants to go on record stating that many Sanders supporters are white supremacists then let everyone see this poster's view, although I disagree and believe that driving this racial divide does not benefit the majority of people. Unfortunately some people want others to pay more attention to the color of a person's skin and not their views on important issues, that is a mistake IMHO.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Based on one post, no. But based on the pattern in the poster's comments here I think it's time for a cooling off period.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I believe in free speech. Also, the slander is generic. It doesn't hurt any person in particular. The comment is wrong, of course, but not bannable wrong. And it is informative in the sense of revealing something about the commenter.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future."
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Heaven05 is another poster who I admire and respect very much. I'm saddened that their voices have been curtailed here. I've found them both compassionate, smart and witty. It's hard for me to put into words how much this pisses me off, as I respect both their contributions here so much. I would often come here just to catch up with bravenak and we would sometimes laugh and laugh. That's a really healthy thing. In addition to sharing thoughts with online friends here, laughter is my favorite thing here. I value and cherish this group so much. It's my favorite place here at DU. I feel I've gotten to 'know' each person who posts here frequently. And recognize each as a unique and talented individual person, with great accomplishments, wonderful insight. Not just as some generic blip on a computer screen.
Please don't come into this group to trash or criticize posters here. It's disrespectful. Don't alert on or vote to hide posts here that are supportive of a group host or active participant here. Please read a lot of threads here before posting here. Please learn from our black brothers and sisters here. You don't have to agree with every single thing said. But if you don't agree, you don't necessarily have to post to chime in with your contrary opinion, particularly if it's already been expressed by a bunch of posts similar to yours. Allow people the room to breathe. Room to express themselves. If you're on a jury please consider posts if losing that poster's voice is something you really want. We cannot and should not be an echo-chamber here. This group is an oasis. Please read a lot here. It's a really unique and special group. In my opinion, the best DU has to offer!
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)Literally that's all they got a hidden post for, telling someone this was a group and not a forum.
What a crock of shit.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)eom
ananda
(28,879 posts)See, anyone can join DU and alert posts and be on a jury.
You get enough rightie trolls and ....
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)None of them should have been hidden, in my opinion. I was not called to any of those juries, but would have voted to leave every one of those posts.
Something is wrong here, and it's something ugly. Apparently there is an ongoing attempt to shut down discussion and remove some PoC from making their opinions known.
Disgusting!
valerief
(53,235 posts)Brother/Walton money.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)These attempts to silence black voices are coming from somewhere altogether different, I believe.
valerief
(53,235 posts)MineralMan
(146,336 posts)You don't appear to be listening, so I'm going to stop talking.
valerief
(53,235 posts)I still enjoy your posts and will continue to rec the ones I understand.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I would remind you that you in a protected group!
valerief
(53,235 posts)After my last hide (which made no sense, btw), I stopped participating in juries. I know that's self-defeating, but I can't fight every paid disruptor on this site. Too many of them.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Must 'progressives' fall back to that tired meme?
valerief
(53,235 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)actually, excuse me, people are being murdered by the uniformed representatives of the state, and white progressives on DU are hiding the posts of BLM supporters because they got a little rude or heated in their criticism of those folks' sacred cow.
That's how disgusting this is.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)assassination by cop, attacks on those who insist that such things end are truly disgusting. The death toll climbs, but goes unaddressed by some people running for office. When people demand that it be addressed, the "outrage" at those who are insisting that PoC not be slain by the state emerges.
I have changed my mind about whom to support in the Primaries due to this.
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Some thousands of people get screamed at and that's more concerning. I honestly think BLM was never supported by most of these folks to begin with. Too much concern about black folks lives, not enough attention for them. They just needed the one straw to break the back; this latest episode was enough to definitely "choose" the side they were on in the first place.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)white DUers that supports PoC making our opinions known are at risk, as well.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)I'm learning that from a new OP in GD-P.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)(he, he, he ... I didn't think making her name a verb would have that result ... he, he, he ...)
Some here think this conduct is limited to, and effecting, only DU and the internet ... they couldn't be more wrong!
I wrote about a recent gathering of 50+ Black Professionals, who are both politically and socially active. One consensus thought was a question of with the arrogance and condescendence of Bernie supporter towards African-Americans, now, during the primaries; can one imagine the level, should Bernie prevail as the Democratic Party's nominee ... once they, and their conduct, is seen as validated?
I don't think it'll be pretty for the Democratic Party, as they all agreed they would vote for Bernie; but, they also, really, questioned whether they could/would work along side of his supporters.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)It's not just DU, of course. What I'm seeing doesn't bode well for Sanders' campaign at all.
I won't be trashing Senator Sanders on DU. He's not the problem. Nor will I be making attacks on any individual DUers. I don't do that.
My highest priority in 2016 is to get a Democrat elected as President, with the secondary goal of regaining a majority in the Senate. It's a long-range approach that has been what I've always done.
I'm bailing from support of Sanders, because I think his followers are going to help ensure that he cannot possibly win in the General Election. Sanders is not the problem. He is a good man who would support all of our goals. The problem is making sure that no Republican wins as President. That, to me, is the overriding goal in all of this. Republicans will most certainly not govern in a way that furthers the cause of PoC or anyone else.
I'm not concerned about getting attacked on DU. Not one bit.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)I completely missed this. Ridiculous!
cstanleytech
(26,331 posts)What part is ridiculous? That everyone including hosts have to obey the ToS of the DU?
Or are you saying that the jury system is ridiculous for the DU? If your problem is with the jury system then suggest some ways improve it, I am sure skinner would be willing to listen if you have some actual good ideas that would improve the system.
Personally I think the system works ok for the most part, I will grant you that its not perfect but it does help alot to filter out posters whos intent is purely to cause problems on the DU.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)The system's inconsistent. That being said , I really don't know how Skinner would improve upon it.There are always going to be people who hide something because they don't like the poster .
cstanleytech
(26,331 posts)But even if it doesnt do that dont people just have to use common sense and follow the ToS to avoid getting a post hide?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Well said.
The grave dancing is pathetic.
Bravenak is one of my favorite posters here.
I'm sick to fucking death of the alert stalking, especially of Black DU members.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)and when she returns: I have her back.
I don't like what I am seeing, and I know I am not alone. Something is not right, indeed.