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YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 05:11 PM Apr 2015

Why Does America Love Black Culture But Not Black People?


...Despite the deplorable history of this country when it comes to how blacks have been treated, when it comes to determining what is hip and cool, our country turns to black culture.

So, so ironic.

Our musical art forms, from rock to jazz to rap, have been born out of black culture. Even Elvis admitted that he mimicked black music and dance. Our fashion, our slang and language is led by what kids in urban black neighborhoods are doing and wearing. Teens in high schools all across America, even white, suburban ones, take on fashion styles and use lingo black kids started. Let’s face it, Justin Bieber is not mimicking Asian or Hispanic culture with his music and fashion choices.

The truth is, American black culture is one of this country’s biggest exports and symbols of youth. Essentially, black people set the standard for cool.

Imitation is viewed as the sincerest form of flattery, yet somehow, this flattery does not expand to include the individual people that compose that black community and culture. Elvis, the Beatles, Justin Bieber, the Rolling Stones can all take on elements and style from blacks, as long as they aren’t black. America has found a way to honor a culture while mistreating its people.


http://www.opposingviews.com/i/columns/why-does-america-love-black-culture-not-black-people

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Number23

(24,544 posts)
1. I've lived in four countries and can say without question that black American culture is absolutely
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 08:12 PM
Apr 2015

revered in most places of the world.

Particularly in places where people are poor, oppressed and downtrodden.

So this is something we all need to keep in mind the next time certain individuals (particularly those who love to play act that they represent the poor and the voiceless) act as though we're a cancer on this nation or even on this web site.

sheshe2

(83,950 posts)
2. Thanks for that link, Number23....
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 09:25 PM
Apr 2015

So cute they run there and cry about a block, when 1SBM was blocked from there AFTER he apologized. Then there was the head host running up and down 1SBM OP, 'splaning that if you are perceived to be rude ya get the boot.

Oh, the hypocrisy! Fainting couch, room 101, STAT!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. There was NOTHING RUDE in his comments there. As always, he is very restrained and polite.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:12 AM
Apr 2015

It comes from his being an educated man with a family history many on this site cannot begin to fathom the depths of, yet he continues to fight the good fight for his people.

He has said honestly AA's are his first concern but is definitely liberal, progressive, pragmatic and a Democrat. He is NOT a racist, either, but some have tried to claim he is. AA's must be concerned about their lives in this country. Those who dismiss their concerns are saying a lot about themselves.

Bain's Bane said, and I quote her again:

Dismissing the rights and concerns of people of color and women is reactionary. It is way more reactionary than Third Way. There is nothing progressive or liberal about it, and I don't consider people who do so to be leftists. Period.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025216329#post457

She has posted extensively on Marxism, Leftism and reality. I agree with her assessment.

JustAnotherGen

(31,932 posts)
3. Holy shit balls!
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 06:38 AM
Apr 2015

Of course it's unhealthy - our beliefs and experiences in America and around the world - shatter the narrow vision.

And two nights ago I got into a discussion re- the African refugees thrown over board by Muslim African refugees en route to Italy. I had to tiptoe on that thread because it would make heads explode to know that black Christians are perceived as valuable contributors to society in a country on the other side of the world. Perfect? No. But a radical idea to many Americans who talk out of both sides of their mouths.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
8. Compartmentalization and cognitive dissonance
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

This is hardly a recent development. Pardon the ramblings of a geezer but this question brings back memories. Since the article mentions musical stars of the last half-century, I'm reminded of how strangely different things were in the 1940s and 50s than in the 60s and 70s. There was a constellation of US black musical talent of brilliance that is just astonishing in retrospect. Many stayed on the R&B charts, but many of the most honored interpreters of "the great American songbook" were African American. Sarah Vaughan had huge mainstream hits in the 1950s, but by the mid-60s was sidelined. Ella Fitzgerald was an extremely popular guest on musical variety shows, often singing duets with people like Dinah Shore and Frank Sinatra. Dinah Washington started out on the r&b charts but crossed over and became a huge star before her untimely demise. (Frank, who was a POS in some ways, was a heroic fighter against the color line in the music business. Seems to have DEMANDED Ella being booked on shows if he was going to accept their invitations himself, in some cases. And made a big fuss about segregation in Vegas, causing a change of policy in some clubs.)

When I was little, Nat King Cole was extremely popular on TV; later, Sammy Davis, Jr. was likewise a mainstream hit all over the TV. Yet I've read that Billy Eckstine's career went into decline because his good looks and mixed appearance made him dangerously appealing to young white teenagers. And THAT is a line that could not be crossed, a crossover sex symbol. As music became less romantic and more raunchy in the 1960s, the market became more segregated once again. The weird psychic split in white America of the 1950s-60s entertainment world is still with us today. Individual black performers can have wildly enthusiastic white fans-- who nevertheless retain their racist biases on every topic other than musical talent.

Ethel Waters is an interesting case in point. Just saw a Route 66 episode that won her an Emmy in 1962, about a jazz singer whose dying wish is to bring together her old combo one last time. She was adored by fans as an individual talent, yet suffered deeply from the indignities inflicted on black people collectively. Ended up, unfortunately, in the embrace of Billy Graham-- but who can blame her for turning to God for solace? That any of these talents stuck it out and created such beauty in such an ugly cultural environment is amazing. No one can blame Nina Simone (or on the literary side of the ledger James Baldwin) for escaping to France rather than stay in such a crazy-making situation. But we can surely be thankful to all the greats who stayed despite what they were subjected to, adored as performers and demeaned as human beings.

JI7

(89,279 posts)
11. there seems to be a lot of these
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 03:31 AM
Apr 2015

"look at this overly sensitive black person" type stuff on here.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
12. Should do a little addition and editing to my "Safe Haven" OP and drop it into GD?
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 03:36 AM
Apr 2015

If I did, I know that I'd spend my entire weekend in that one thread.

JI7

(89,279 posts)
13. if you have a lot of free time but i don't think it will change much
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 04:41 AM
Apr 2015

my issue with that op is why even post it ? it's not like it's in some major or even small city paper . it's a piece by a young student on some blog . the purpose of it just seems to be to point and laugh .

most likely the writer of that article has had life experiences where she is able to see how different people are treated in different ways. the piece may not make the point well but it's not like it's supposed to be some scholarly work . it's just a blog piece.

JustAnotherGen

(31,932 posts)
14. Oh! That's funny
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 06:32 AM
Apr 2015

I sometimes think that folks at DU need a hobby!

What grown assed person digs into college blogs looking for things to be outraged by?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. So true, you'd think there would be an appreciation
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:53 PM
Apr 2015

and a realization. American music predominates and is popular world over due to black influence. Every white American rock band or British. The best president we ever had is our first black President. And our greatest American is Martin Luther King. He made the country mean what it stood for. That challenge that he made to it that it really did stand for Equality for all, even if it failed at first.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. Ironically, the same thing can also be applied to the Arab world
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:06 PM
Apr 2015

There are so many Arab foods, fashion styles, and other cultural bits, etc. which have become commonplace and loved in the U.S. without us even knowing it...

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