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Related: About this forumCBS intentionally violated posted gun show rules in phony undercover stunt
Bullet Button Used To Get Around California Gun Laws, CBS 5 San Francisco reported Tuesday.
CBS 5 went undercover to a recent gun show at the Cow Palace in Daly City and found California legal assault rifles throughout, they claim.
Its a non-story, really, as their undercover team found nothing illegalthey werent even looking for thator that couldnt have been obtained openly. The entire purpose of the investigation appears to be to gin up public frenzy about a legal device that allows for changing magazines on semi-automatic firearms that comply with Californias specific model and cosmetic features bans.
I've emailed the gun show proprietors and asked them if they post signs prohibiting unauthorized photographs and recording of patrons and dealers, this columnist noted on The War on Guns blog. I also note the covert video includes audio, and California appears to be a two-party consent state, which raises the question of whether or not our intrepid undercover reporters were the only lawbreakers in the room--funny, though, how they choose not to do covert ops against the population causing all the gun problems.
http://www.examiner.com/article/cbs-intentionally-violated-posted-gun-show-rules-phony-undercover-stunt
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Renew Deal
(81,897 posts)What's relevant is the story.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Last edited Sat May 5, 2012, 10:04 PM - Edit history (1)
complaining about a "loophole" that wasn't. California law specifically allows a tool such as a bullet tip as a tool. That is not a loophole, nor is it any secret.
The article is grade school journalism. How do you go "undercover" in a public venue? Even better, the article is not about street gangs etc. it is about every day people at a range:
Thats because the most popular guns at the range these days are semi-automatic rifles. In a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, how is it these military-style guns are legal?
nothing about crime, gangs, but what amounts to archery with noise.
Here is a gem:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/05/01/bullet-button-used-to-get-around-california-gun-laws/#disqus_thread
NewMoonTherian
(883 posts)CBS 5: Why aren't you cracking down on this?
LEO: Cracking down on what?
CBS 5: On the bullet button device.
LEO: It's not illegal.
CBS 5: Well what does that have to do with anything?
Clames
(2,038 posts)Did you find the author's complete technical ignorance relevant? Josh Sugarman's whining ignorance? How do people who are ignorant of the law make a story relevant?
Straw Man
(6,627 posts)What's relevant is the story.
As long as it's against those people, right?
pneutin
(98 posts)by installing a MagMagnet on the AR-15 in the story, they committed a felony of constructing an illegal assault weapon.
Do you think CBS5 should be prosecuted?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)So you have no problem with people breaking the law as long as its being used against lawful gun owners? You sound like a real progressive.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio feels the same way about those damn mexicans, I guess you agree with him amiright?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sheriff Joe loves the Minute Men and their use of guns for intimidation.
Why does just about every Newbe that comes to the gungeon spout junk about guns being "progressive?" It's BS and you know it. But, welcome anyway.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Well unless we screw up and end on the NRA or other right wing websites.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)repeated meme that CHL is a form of pollution.
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Climate change has a provable scientific base. You have none. "Because Hoyt says so" means squat. You need to supply provable, repeatable scientific evidence of the "facts" you spout.
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)there will be 200 million more of the damn things to deal with.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Feel free to search for them, most likely in GD forum.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)with lethal weapons.
So you support violating the law against people you don't like. Why don't you go steal those Neo Nazi's flags then? Do you key peoples cars with republican bumper stickers?
Is the law only suppose to protect people you agree with?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Well, unless you like swastikas, confederate flags, stinking cigars, some SOB blipping unmuffled motorcycle throttle next to you while you have your windows down, etc.
Enjoy your guns.
AnOhioan
(2,894 posts)shadowrider
(4,941 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)shadowrider
(4,941 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)Designated concealed carry areas are SUPER-DUPER target-rich areas.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)Perhaps you could define the word "truer"??
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)shadowrider
(4,941 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I feel sorry for you.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)If you're afraid of "gun free zones", you certainly can't venture outside the US very often, or even visit a lot of the more liberal part of this country.
derby378
(30,252 posts)What with all those Zetas and La Familia types running around killing everything in sight - how are their gun laws working?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)It's what I've been saying all this time.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)So I don't have to worry about them.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)They gotta have their machismo, bombs, war games, etc. If can't have those, guns have to fill void.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Mollie Ivins, Jim Hightower, LBJ, Maury Maverick
Bush actually grew up in New England prep schools.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Nobody is being deprived of the the ability.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)I can't remember who but someone on DU said that it was a RIGHT to live in a gun-free zone.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Some people want to live without worrying about being shot by some Zimmerman type.
OH THE HORROR!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)That's adorable!
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)I can just see some whacked guy with maybe a "Dirty Harry" gun going into to maybe a church. As the door closes behind him he draws the gun and is immediately informed by an usher of the rules. After they confiscate his "bullet hose" he takes out a pocket size dictionary and, ripping out a few pages, he grabs a hostage threatening paper cuts.
Oow... It just gives me the chills.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Criminals they expect to carry illegal weapons...
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Hilarious how often this talking point is destroyed, and how often the gun-religionists keep resurrecting it.
"Gun control laws are useless because they get broken! I WIN!"
This means speed limits should all be gotten rid of since people speed all the time.
Gun-religionists love to waste Liberals' time debunking and re-debunking the same old washed-up "arguments".
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)there is no such thing as a gun free zone to someone that wants to carry a gun there. Look at VA Tech as exhibit one.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Hilarious how often this talking point is destroyed, and how often the gun-religionists keep resurrecting it.
"Gun control laws are useless because they get broken! I WIN!"
This means speed limits should all be gotten rid of since people speed all the time.
Gun-religionists love to waste Liberals' time debunking and re-debunking the same old washed-up "arguments".
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)The speed limit analogy is a poor one since the nature of speed limits vary from state to state. Where I live, speed limits are absolute. The sworn testimony of a LEO giving conclusive evidence that your speed exceeded the posted limit results in your conviction. In some states, California for one, speed limits are prima facie. This means, while exceeding the posted is sufficient to bring one to trial, it is not sufficient for conviction. The accused can demonstrate that his/her speed was safe and reasonable for prevailing conditions, such as moving with the flow of traffic. We have speed limits because it is safer to have vehicles near each other travel at similar speeds.
More to the point, gun-free zones make illegal the possession of a firearm in a certain area by certain people. Murder is illegal because the victim has a right to life. There is no "right" to live, work, eat, walk, swim, learn or fly a kite in an area free of firearms.
Making murder illegal is a just thing to do. Making it illegal for a violent convicted criminal to buy a pistol is essentially a just thing to do. Making it illegal for a violent convicted criminal to carry concealed is a just thing to do. Making it illegal for EVERYONE to possess a firearm within or on the grounds of a public library is a waste. It's like posting a speed limit of 36, 37 and 38 on road already posted 35.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> The speed limit analogy is a poor one since the nature of speed limits vary from state to state.
A completely illogical and nonsensical statement. Gun laws vary from state to state, and their enforcement does too. Exactly like speeding laws.
> Where I live, speed limits are absolute
Wrong, they can always be contested. I'll let you search for "attorneys to fight traffic tickets"
.......
Just more nonsense from the gun religonists that are wasting my time.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)...your inability to address the substance of my post or defend your own as your concession.
Eschew obfuscation.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> your inability to address the substance of my post or defend your own as your concession.
Ah yes, the old "declaration of victory", so beloved of those who worship guns.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)If You say so, I wouldn't know.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Just FYI...
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> Use of the phrase "talking point(s)" is *not* a saving throw when you can't refute something.
Yeah, but I refuted that Talking Point before. I get sick of repeating myself for all the gun religionists. They have been told to waste Liberals' time, by posting tired old Talking Points that were destroyed decades ago.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)...rather disingenuous (or just lazy) to repeatedly involve oneself in an exchange only to assert having refuted the position elsewhere.
It's also kind of pointless.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> ather disingenuous (or just lazy) to repeatedly involve oneself in an exchange only to assert having refuted th
You should try reading my posts. You might learn something (other than the NRA Talking Points you got down pat)
Clames
(2,038 posts)...before others can learn from them. Lame, thoughtless VPC talking points have nothing educational to offer which is about all your posts consist of.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)"...Talking Points you got down pat"
Thanks, I do so enjoy irony.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)They aren't something that I have to concern myself with. I pretty much pack where I want to, with very few exceptions.
tridim
(45,358 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)There's nothing worse than investigative reporting!
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)of non crimes, asking why "police don't crack down" on legal activity, and what trafficking? They were complaining about everyday target shooters at a range. Hardly in the same league as Gary Webb.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Noted right-wing loon and promoter of Fast and Furious conspiracy theories? Yeah, there's a great guy to talk about journalistic integrity!
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)there is a whole thread on it. Codrea is a pundit. Besides, I did not question their integrity, merely their competence.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=36445
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/05/01/bullet-button-used-to-get-around-california-gun-laws/
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)...aka George Carlin, once said, "I call 'em like I see 'em; if I don't see 'em, I make 'em up."
NewMoonTherian
(883 posts)They had an agenda, and by golly, they were going to push that agenda, regardless of the fact that they found zero violations of California's unreasonable laws. If they don't have an anti-gun agenda, then they're just whoring themselves for viewership, and they don't care whom they screw over in the process.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)MSM?? Oh no, say it ain't so.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but they made themselves look more like the Onion than BBC. They were not overtly dishonest, just merely foolish. The interesting thing was the comments, in SFO of all places.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Did it happen or not?
Were/are attempts made/being made to cover it up or not?
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Legal guns being legally sold in a legal venue that is open to the public and you call that investigating?
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)SSDD.