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Kleck reexamined Lott's work and found that he hadn't accounted for missing data. "It was garbage in and garbage out," he says. Even Kleck, who conducted a controversial, yet often-cited survey on defensive gun use, observes, "Do I know anybody who specifically believes with more guns there are less crimes and they're a credible criminologist? No." David Hemenway, the director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, has concluded that "virtually all of Lott's analyses are faulty; his findings are not 'facts' but are erroneous." Lott maintains that the missing data Kleck refers to had no impact on his final conclusions, and that the "vast majority" of economists and criminologists support his findings.
Researchers pressed Lott, then a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, to release the data behind his claim that 98 percent of defensive gun uses in the United States involved a would-be victim merely brandishing a gun. Lott claimed that it was based on a data from a survey he had conductedbut that the data had been lost in a computer crash. Lott redid the survey in 2002; of more than 1,000 people surveyed, seven said they'd used a gun to defend themselves. Of those seven, six merely flashed a firearm in self-defense. Based on these responses, plus the lost data, Lott still asserts that more than 90 percent of defensive gun uses involve brandishing a gun.
As criticism of Lott mounted, an online commenter, who identified herself as a former student of Lott's at Penn named Mary Rosh, lavishly praised her former professor and attacked his critics. "He was the best professor that I ever had," she wrote. After it came out in 2003 that Rosh and Lott shared an internet address, Lott admitted to the sock puppetry, saying that he had been receiving obnoxious phone calls when using his real name, and some of Rosh's comments were possibly written by his family members on a shared email account. "In most circles, this goes down as fraud," wrote Science editor-in-chief Donald Kennedy in the magazine. And yet, he observed in a blistering op-ed, "Legislators in a number of states are still considering liberalizing concealed-weapon laws, and Lott's book plays a continuing role in the debate. That moves this story from high comedy to a troubling challenge in social policy that isn't funny at all."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/john-lott-guns-crime-data
ileus
(15,396 posts)pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Let's make that.......
"When the Gun Lobby Tries to Justify Firearms Everywhere, It Turns In Part to This Guy"
Alright. Now it's an honest statement.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)that the only time Gary Kleck's name is invoked by The Controllers is on the rare occasions when he says something that vaguely supports their case --- otherwise he's a persona non grata.
Example of brazen hypocrisy #3,492.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)was a central figure in the Paint Creek-Cabin Creek strike that was a running war between striking miners and a private army. If the magazine had its way the strikers would have been defenseless and gunned down.
sarisataka
(18,883 posts)some bullshit idea they turn to this guy
A bit of eugenic principle there...
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)sarisataka
(18,883 posts)of the section I quoted? The entire quote simply emphasizes his "might makes right" position.
To "Dr." Hemmingway- if you are not big, strong and smart you deserve to die.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)what he is saying is an 62 year old heart patient can't take on a 22 year old meth head mano mano, that the former deserves to die. However if Hemenway were in that situation, there is no doubt in my mind that he would reach for a gun.
ileus
(15,396 posts)How can "progressives" actually pull for criminals is beyond me.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)sarisataka
(18,883 posts)controlling and bullshit- some of those flowers are extra delicate lately.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)National Academy of Sciences: The committee found that answers to some of the most pressing questions cannot be addressed with existing data and research methods, however well designed. For example, despite a large body of research, the committee found no credible evidence that the passage of right-to-carry laws decreases or increases violent crime, and there is almost no empirical evidence that the more than 80 prevention programs focused on gun-related violence have had any effect on childrens behavior, knowledge, attitudes, or beliefs about firearms. The committee found that the data available on these questions are too weak to support unambiguous conclusions or strong policy statements.
Fact Check, 2012: National Research Council, 2004: The initial model specification, when extended to new data, does not show evidence that passage of right-to-carry laws reduces crime. The estimated effects are highly sensitive to seemingly minor changes in the model specification and control variables. No link between right-to-carry laws and changes in crime is apparent in the raw data, even in the initial sample; it is only once numerous covariates are included that the negative results in the early data emerge.
While the trend models show a reduction in the crime growth rate following the adoption of right-to-carry laws, these trend reductions occur long after law adoption, casting serious doubt on the proposition that the trend models estimated in the literature reflect effects of the law change. Finally, some of the point estimates are imprecise. Thus, the committee concludes that with the current evidence it is not possible to determine that there is a causal link between the passage of right-to-carry laws and crime rates. http://www.factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/
The committee reinforces recommendations made by past National Research Council committees and others to support the development and maintenance of the National Violent Death Reporting System and the National Incident-Based Reporting System.
The committee is encouraged by the efforts of the Harvard School of Public Healths Injury Control Research Center pilot data collection program and the recent seed money provided to implement a Violent Death Reporting System at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=4