Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumChoose your chief reason for advocating against firearm carry
Last edited Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:01 PM - Edit history (2)
Firearm carry in this instance refers to open or concealed carry of a gun in places outside the gun owner's home, property or business respecting any prohibitions to areas off limits by law.
(Anyone that has a reason other than those listed, please choose the "pass" option. Also feel free to share that reason either privately or publicly and whether you'd like your reason added to the list in the poll.)
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1. private citizens lack the skill to target and shoot ONLY an aggressor | |
0 (0%) |
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2. chance of injuries due to accidents and negligence | |
2 (15%) |
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3. chance of a carrier becoming emotionally or mentally unstable | |
0 (0%) |
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4. chance of a carrier deciding to commit a criminal act | |
0 (0%) |
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5. there is never a case not better handled by law enforcement | |
0 (0%) |
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6. people have no business ever owning a gun and I prefer fewer police carry guns | |
0 (0%) |
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7. I have no issue with concealed carry | |
0 (0%) |
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8. I have no issue with open carry | |
0 (0%) |
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9. I have no issue with either form of carry | |
11 (85%) |
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0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided. | |
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peace13
(11,076 posts)2. Mental illness
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)thanks
LonePirate
(13,435 posts)The cowboy hero derangement syndrome has to stop.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)"cowboy hero derangement syndrome" = choice #3
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Jenoch
(7,720 posts)confusing. Are you asking why an individual does or does not carry, or are you asking why an individual is for or against ANYONE having the ability to legally carry or not?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)..."why an individual is for or against ANYONE having the ability to legally carry or not" as you say.
Please feel free to suggest an alternate phrasing.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Also indicated by the construction of Q#6:
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)The poll asks your opinion on the public's right to carry and laws that uphold or restrict such actions.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)4 would include a rash decision based on alcohol, rage, jealousy, etc.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)#2 refers to non-criminal negligence and accidents.
#3 would cover emotional outbursts like rage, anger, jealousy...
#4 would cover intoxication while carrying. (While there may be a few, I'm not aware of any states that don't view carrying drunk, high or somehow impaired as a crime, not that I've made an extended study.)
Is there any way you could choose the option you feel presents the most general danger?
premium
(3,731 posts)open carry without a permit and CC with a permit, though, that may change in the future. Some lawmakers are floating the idea of constitutional carry.
Hasn't been a problem as far as I can determine.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)CCW makes them extremely paranoid about everything and everybody in the world.
It's a sickness, and IMO it needs to be treated as such.
premium
(3,731 posts)but I've yet to know anyone who's as you describe and I have a lot of friends with permits.
Clarify for me, are you saying that anyone with a CC permit has a mental sickness?
tridim
(45,358 posts)They weren't like that until they acquired their CC permits.
I worry most about my Dad.
premium
(3,731 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)The statistics I've seen show that apart from firearm assaults during the commission of other crimes, about 1/3 of shooting injuries are preceded by arguments.
Having said that, I would suggest that your assertion is reversed and that paranoia may lead some to seek a CCW.
I would expect that most people would not become paranoid due to carrying.
tridim
(45,358 posts)My dad became paranoid after he started carrying. His friends have too.
I think I know why... It's because he is now constantly thinking about the simple to use, deadly weapon on his hip and probably thinking about who in his world he might shoot and for what reasons. I really don't think he would shoot anyone, but who knows now?
That kind of stuff can totally screw up a formerly rational brain.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)...(at least IMO) ought to be constantly thinking, while they are carrying, about the responsibility of doing so. I don't carry. One of my flaws is that I procrastinate and I'm not convinced that procrastination wouldn't lead me to fall into bad habits like failing to adequately train often enough.
Carrying is a responsibility. If he were my dad, I'd mention to him the changes I saw in him and keep an open dialogue.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)We all know that in CCW classes we learn to be more observant of what is happening around us. Yes, we do look for possible threats. What that poster ignores is that violent crime does exist.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)All of the above
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)...which of the first six you feel presents the greatest danger?
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Laws that promote better understanding of our relationships with others, especially when that relationship surrounds technology that can seriously injure or kill them, are a good thing. While the safety record of those who carry guns in public is very good, we are missing an opportunity to teach people. Laws regarding the carriage of firearms are rules of engagement, and the public would benefit from an understanding such rules since they play an important part in our relationships with other cultures. Just as it is a good idea for people to understand the fundamentals of firearm technology because it has been with us for a long time and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, conflicts with other countries will also be an important part of our future.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)and not to pursuit and apprehension, properly the role if law enforcement.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)And the correct answer would be: 1-4 (and several other tragic scenarios the OP hasn't considered).
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Theft, child gaining access, etc.
How many times have you heard of guns being left in rest rooms, theaters, Disney Land/World etc.
Sorry. But the public's safety should take priority over some irrational and paranoid gun hugger's imagined "need" for a dangerous "security blanket".
Note: I edited my post above to delete answers #5 & #6.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)I've considered some of these. Among the negative possible consequences to carrying, I don't consider theft at all since a firearm can be stolen from anywhere at any time and having it in a holster on one's person, IMHO, would make theft less likely not more. I feel the same way about a child gaining access to a holstered gun.
I've said elsewhere that I don't carry and don't plan to. I also don't care for open carry in urban areas and places like theme parks. If you're carrying concealed, you can't really leave your gun in a theater, restaurant...
As far as leaving your gun in public restroom... I suppose there are people who could be that negligent so I suppose my #2 should be expanded to include accidents and overall negligence.
The unauthorized use of a firearm by someone not the owner sounds like theft to me. See my comments above about theft. And since we already have laws against theft, how would CC make thefts more likely?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Think again! I personally know of several cases where this happened.
Put an "idiot cord" on that gatt!
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)I didn't say that.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)The first option seems to be ignored. How many time do we hear that the firearm will used to kill,injure everybody around the intended target. Yet #1 is ignored.
Strange.
DonP
(6,185 posts)We've heard that canard for years and we all took turns asking for examples of "innocent bystanders" being shot up by CC permit holders. And we heard ... crickets.
I can't recall an example ever turning up. Lots of civilians shot by cops by mistake, but no examples of CCW people by the 12 million + CC permit holders. Based on their assumptions and the growing numbers there should be hundreds shot up every year, and yet ....?
Is it possible the control "fans" actually learned something from that?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)this is the only one I remember.
Houston Police confirm it was a customer with a concealed handgun license who accidentally shot and killed a store clerk. The CHL holder was trying to protect Tyrza Smith, 26, from armed robbers, but something went terribly wrong and she was killed.
It happened on May 17 at the Family Dollar located at 6951 Bellfort in southeast Houston.
Police say Dwight Richardson, 20, and another man who hasn't been arrested are accused of bursting into the store, locking the front door and holding a gun to the clerk's head.
"They come in, they got guns out and they're threatening people in there. The CHL holder had every right to defend himself and that clerk," said Fox 26 legal analyst Chris Tritico.
Read more: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18661869/chl#ixzz2XWKzpi00
Police have a much worse record of shooting innocent people or bystanders.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)...it's from Fox.
premium
(3,731 posts)Don't be surprise if our brethren in the other group embraces this story, no matter who reported it, because it fits their talking points about how CCW holders are not trained to handle a situation and will willy nilly shoot up the place and kill innocents, despite evidence to the contrary.
After all, they have emotion instead of fact as evidence.
Hot outside, already breaking 100 degress.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)...they need an "Emotional Rescue".
It's 80 near Philly. Where are you?
premium
(3,731 posts)Little town of about 6,000.
By Sat. it's supposed to be between 114-117.
Seriously thinking about moving back to Lake Topaz, NV, where I was born and raised.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)What's winter like in both?
Friends from church moved to Phoenix and asked us to come for a visit. We weren't really able to travel at the time. However, I did express some reservations about the extreme heat. His contention was that dry heat is more comfortable. I countered by suggesting that the devil gets people into hell with that logic.
premium
(3,731 posts)moreso in Lake Topaz, as it's in the So. Sierra Nevada mountain range.
Yeah, dry heat, all that means is that you burn up faster.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)...who gave answers like "all of 1 though 6". I suggest choice #2 is due to it just being low hanging fruit.