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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:53 PM Apr 2013

Licensed Gun Nut stands his ground against a 14-year-old girl's chihuahua and kills it.

Well I guess he was a law-abiding and responsible gun owner....until he wasn't? Or maybe he was just standing his ground?

Either way I'm sure the NRA will call for more guns and licensed "law-abiding" gun owners so that America can be a safer place.






14-year-old Detroit girl says that a neighbor shot and killed JoJo, her 1-year-old Chihuahua, because he wasn’t on a leash and was making too much noise.

The licensed gun owner, however, told police that he gunned down the tiny dog because it was threatening him.

The girl, who WJBK declined to identify, said that she had gone inside for a few minutes while JoJo ran free in the yard. When she came back outside, the neighbor warned her to take the dog back in the house.

“When he saw my dog running out of the bushes, , ‘I’m going to handle him myself,’ and then I guess my dog had run back up on him again, and he just shot him,” the teen recalled as she cradled the dead dog in a blanket.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/04/licensed-gun-owner-says-he-killed-1-year-old-chihuahua-for-threatening-him/
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Licensed Gun Nut stands his ground against a 14-year-old girl's chihuahua and kills it. (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 OP
sick bastard..nt Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #1
How awful shenmue Apr 2013 #2
If you are afraid of a two pound chihuahua, Downwinder Apr 2013 #3
No. You need NOT to carry a gun. tblue Apr 2013 #11
I should have added a sarcasm tag. Downwinder Apr 2013 #16
Evil fucker MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #4
Yea, those little dogs can be mean can't they. oneshooter Apr 2013 #12
I wasn't referring to the dog and I don't think dog murder is the least bit funny MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #14
So what did the dog murder? oneshooter Apr 2013 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #19
Do you think you're funny? Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #20
Your opinion, which really doesn't matter to me. oneshooter Apr 2013 #21
I don't see anyone else laughing and its been almost a week since you posted it Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #42
I've was bit by a Chihuahua when I was seven or eight years old. ... spin Apr 2013 #5
I have found that a Boston Terrier does not make better bread. .... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #51
LOL ...Good catch. (n/t) spin Aug 2013 #69
pepper spray would have been a better response. ileus Apr 2013 #6
Or just the toe of your boot. oneshooter Apr 2013 #13
Chihuahua? gejohnston Apr 2013 #7
I wonder what Jenoch Apr 2013 #8
You need a licence to be a gun nut? rrneck Apr 2013 #9
No....it's just that this gun nut happened to be licensed Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #10
He probably had his idiot licence. nt rrneck Apr 2013 #15
Some asshole ran over a cat in my nieghborhood a couple of days ago. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #18
If the driver intentionally ran over the cat, he should be prosecuted Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #22
Also, nobody has talked about banning all guns or cars Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #25
Indeed it is Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #28
Absolutely. Straw Man Apr 2013 #38
I'm sure there are lots of things we agree on. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #39
Right. Straw Man Apr 2013 #40
On guns too, though we may differ here and there. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #41
"...should be punished as if he had shot a human..." Jenoch Apr 2013 #30
Oh come on, there's way better all over DU. But I mean it. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #31
No, with that statement Jenoch Apr 2013 #32
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #33
I don't know enough Jenoch Apr 2013 #34
Fair enough. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #35
I too have no sympathy Jenoch Apr 2013 #36
he needs to be named and shamed Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #23
I think the "shame game" is being played here in this group... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #37
I hope there's a very careful and thorough investigation here, starting from the premise petronius Apr 2013 #24
The only dog bite I've ever witnessed was a Chihuahua. dkf Apr 2013 #29
and the only alternative to being bitten was to shoot and kill? noiretextatique Aug 2013 #53
Obviously not, but that breed...I stay away. dkf Aug 2013 #57
jail time and a fine, please. nt xchrom Apr 2013 #26
Even if you are callous about killing a dog that little girl has emotional distress. gordianot Apr 2013 #27
Is this supposed to be some kind of a broad brush smear against all gun owners? bubbayugga Apr 2013 #43
No, it just throws cold water on the idea being pushed by gun enthusiasts that.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #44
nope...just the ones who shoot small dogs noiretextatique Aug 2013 #55
If this isn't utter cowardice BainsBane Jul 2013 #45
It's certainly old. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #46
having gotten tired of beating dead horses ... Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #64
Zombie thread.... ManiacJoe Jul 2013 #47
looking for brains. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #65
I don't think it was an act of cowardice, rather an excuse to use his weapon to kill something. ladjf Aug 2013 #52
More of a bravado move, IMO. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #60
Bravado in killing a chihuahua? BainsBane Aug 2013 #62
Sure, a sort of "look what a tough guy I am with this gun". NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #66
Fucking asshole and I don't mean the dog gopiscrap Aug 2013 #48
You said penis sarisataka Aug 2013 #50
Afraid of a fucking chihuahua? Undoubtedly an archetypal member of the NRA. Jim__ Aug 2013 #49
probably to put on his resume for LAPD gejohnston Aug 2013 #56
Reminds me of that cop using pepper spray on a baby squirrel arcane1 Aug 2013 #54
Wow, I had to go look that one up - what a maroon! petronius Aug 2013 #58
When all you have... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #61
Tragic and stupid. Going out on a limb here and wishing she'd have used a leash. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #59
old thread kick Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #63
Oh, I hadn't checked. It's from April. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #67
things must really be slow Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #68

tblue

(16,350 posts)
11. No. You need NOT to carry a gun.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:58 PM
Apr 2013

You need serious professional help. I wouldn't want to arm the paranoid and panicky, if that's even what this man was. Obviously he had no business carrying a loaded weapon if he could be scared by a 3 lb doggie. My gosh! That poor puppy and his girl!!!!! She will live with that memory her whole life. She'll need counseling to help her come to terms with this traumatic event, so she doesn't act out in turn. DAMN THIS!!!

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
16. I should have added a sarcasm tag.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:37 PM
Apr 2013

I agree completely. I would question whether it was done intentionally to traumatize the girl.

Response to oneshooter (Reply #17)

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
42. I don't see anyone else laughing and its been almost a week since you posted it
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:29 AM
Apr 2013

Looks like you're not cut out for this comedy thing.

spin

(17,493 posts)
5. I've was bit by a Chihuahua when I was seven or eight years old. ...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 05:14 PM
Apr 2013

Consequently I personally dislike the breed. I consider them to be barking rats. A Boston Terrier is a much better bread if you wish a small dog. (Note: Just my opinion which is largely influenced by my experience as a child.)

But I would never consider a Chihuahua attack as threatening to my life or health so I wouldn't use my handgun for defense. Of course if I was bit and couldn't find the owner, I might have to get a rabies shot.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
51. I have found that a Boston Terrier does not make better bread. ....
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:56 PM
Aug 2013

I prefer my bread is made by Poodles actually!

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
7. Chihuahua?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:20 PM
Apr 2013

What would he do if it were a Doberman named Satan? The most I would use on a dog is pepper spray.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
8. I wonder what
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:24 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:08 PM - Edit history (1)

a license to shoot chihuahuas costs in Michigan and how high the bag limit is?



(Of course the guy that did this is an idiot and he needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extant of the law. To imply that all 'gun nuts' would do something similar is a cheap shot. How do we know he was a 'gun nut'?)

(I had to make an edit because I accidently wrote 'ia' instead of 'is'. I wouldn't wish to offend anyone with Iowa roots to report me and for a jury to hide my post because of a typo. I recently had a post hidden because of an innocent typo.)

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
10. No....it's just that this gun nut happened to be licensed
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:47 PM
Apr 2013

What makes him a gun nut? Well any time a tiny dog comes up to you and your first reaction is to pull out a gun and shoot it to death, you're a gun nut.

Yep.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
18. Some asshole ran over a cat in my nieghborhood a couple of days ago.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:56 PM
Apr 2013

Licensed driver, no doubt.

If only we could ban cars...

I love animals, and that jerk who shot the dog should be punished as if he had shot a human, imho.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
22. If the driver intentionally ran over the cat, he should be prosecuted
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:32 PM
Apr 2013

and lose his DL. A nutjob driving a car is no better than a nutjob with a gun.

Straw Man

(6,613 posts)
38. Absolutely.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:22 PM
Apr 2013
If the driver intentionally ran over the cat, he should be prosecuted

and lose his DL. A nutjob driving a car is no better than a nutjob with a gun.

Hey, we agree on something! I think that's twice now.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
39. I'm sure there are lots of things we agree on.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:32 PM
Apr 2013

At least I hope so, being of similar political persuasion and all.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
41. On guns too, though we may differ here and there.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:35 PM
Apr 2013

I'm not anti-gun, just anti-stupid where guns are concerned. In a perfect world, we could all have whatever guns we wanted and nobody would ever hurt another person. But in the world we actually live in, too many people are being hurt and killed. So, it's incumbent on those of us who support gun ownership to search for solutions.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
31. Oh come on, there's way better all over DU. But I mean it.
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 12:54 AM
Apr 2013

No reason for animal abuse. None. It is a disgusting crime that indicates a dangerous person who should not be among the general population until he/she is successfully rehabbed, if that is possible.


 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
32. No, with that statement
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:01 AM
Apr 2013

of yours, you're among the best. Of course the idiot should not have shot and killed the dog. But to equate that crime with the murder of a person is ridiculous.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
33. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:13 AM
Apr 2013

As I am to mine.

I wonder what you think the max sentence should be for this coward of a man who shot a small dog.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
34. I don't know enough
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:18 AM
Apr 2013

about the Michigan statutes (or any state) on situations like this to make an educated comment. I will make an uneducated comment however. If this guy thought about shooting this little dog before he actually committed the crime, as in premeditation, I do not think he should be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
35. Fair enough.
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:26 AM
Apr 2013

When put that way, it does seem extreme, but I keep coming back to what a despicable act it is to harm a defenseless animal. People who can do such things need rehab or incarceration. I left the door open for rehab. Our society should make it clear through very tough consequences that animal abuse will not be tolerated. In that regard, punishment should be severe. I might go a bit farther than some on how severe. I have no sympathy for those who'd abuse a defenseless animal.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
37. I think the "shame game" is being played here in this group...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:01 PM
Apr 2013

As if anyone here favors shooting little dogs, as if anyone here is not in favor of prosecuting such, as if anyone here is incapable of sympathy.

petronius

(26,580 posts)
24. I hope there's a very careful and thorough investigation here, starting from the premise
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:45 PM
Apr 2013

that it's extremely unlikely that any adult human (or child, or other dog, or cat, or any living entity larger than an unusually small hamster) could ever be genuinely threatened by a chihuahua. I'll bet that there is a history of bad blood between the families involved, and the shooter simply seized an opportunity. And if that's the case, charges are to be desired: animal cruelty, illegal discharge, whatever...

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
29. The only dog bite I've ever witnessed was a Chihuahua.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 07:19 PM
Apr 2013

Are you supposed to accept being bitten?

I don't support shooting the dog but that breed seems problematic.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
53. and the only alternative to being bitten was to shoot and kill?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:05 PM
Aug 2013

a chiihuahua ridiculous, even for you.

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
27. Even if you are callous about killing a dog that little girl has emotional distress.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:14 PM
Apr 2013

Not much need for proof in Court. This situation would make me seriously judgemental regarding the neighbor and am not the type who turns the other cheek.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
44. No, it just throws cold water on the idea being pushed by gun enthusiasts that....
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:30 PM
Apr 2013

....people who legally own their guns are by their nature "good guys" and law abiding citizens, and the only people with guns you have to be worried about are the "criminals" who own them illegally.

Kind of like the "law abiding" legal gun owner who came into my office building last week and proceeded to shoot his wife and himself.

Pretty sure if the idiot in this news story didn't have a gun, that dog would most likely still be alive.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
60. More of a bravado move, IMO.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:41 PM
Aug 2013

Like the military with a new missile or weapon, the danger for some idiots in having a gun is looking for a reason to use it.

Zimmerman comes to mind.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
66. Sure, a sort of "look what a tough guy I am with this gun".
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:14 PM
Aug 2013
a pretentious, swaggering display of courage.


Of course it didn't take any legitimate courage, and I probably could have found a better term.
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
54. Reminds me of that cop using pepper spray on a baby squirrel
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:05 PM
Aug 2013

And of course this asshole is apparently in no trouble for this

petronius

(26,580 posts)
58. Wow, I had to go look that one up - what a maroon!
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:43 PM
Aug 2013

I guess I could understand if the little thing was charging everyone, moving like lightning, with blood dripping from its little squirrel fangs or something, but that looked like more of a job for a paper-bag-scooping and a move to the nearest bushes...

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
59. Tragic and stupid. Going out on a limb here and wishing she'd have used a leash.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:40 PM
Aug 2013

She put the dog out then went back into the house, leaving it alone.

There's no excuse for using a gun on this animal that I can imagine and I wish the user had been investigated and arrested for discharging a firearm.

HOWEVER, if you watch the clip, you'll see that the yard has no fence, to to release an animal into your yard and then go back into your house is negligent.

This DOES NOT excuse the act of shooting the little dog, but as the officer explained, it's a lesson in responsible animal ownership and could have and should have been prevented.

NEVER let your dog, big or small, into public without being attached to it by a leash!

Poor dog, poor girl, I hope she gets another one and doesn't repeat the mistake.

(fire away)...

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