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Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:04 AM

Is the "Trump in a Flapper Dress" cartoon offensive, or not offensive?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12844416

I was expecting to see an immediate outcry, when it was posted... but since there wasn't (yet?) any objection, I'm wondering what makes this one okay, and how it differs from the Lindsey Graham as a "Southern Belle" cartoon.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:12 AM

1. Trump and Graham are offensive.

Any ridicule of them is fine by me.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:18 AM

2. Graham has been alleged to be gay, to a degree I have not seen done with Trump.

Not an excuse but a possible reason for the disparity.

Whether true or not, in the context of each man’s respective public persona, the perceived origin of any meanspiritedness of such a cartoon might seem overtly homophobic were it an alleged gay man being portrayed in this fashion rather than one not so alleged.

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:37 AM

3. I still don't see a problem.

Whatever else he may be, Lindsay is a pearl-clutcher from the South with a fainting couch. The cartoons almost draw themselves.

It's a short leap to drawing Graham a with pig-like face. It's easy to exaggerate Trump's weight problem and anus-like mouth. Is that offensive?

As a rule, editorial cartoonists aren't trying to be polite, and in the age of Trump, some are getting quite nasty. I'm fine with the contempt. IMO, it's richly deserved.

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Response to BKDem (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:58 AM

6. I am not insulted since 1. Graham is anti-gay rights and 2. has such power.

Were it a person alleged to be gay but without disproportionate power, it would be “punching down.”

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:37 AM

4. I can't imagine why any Democrat would find ANYTHING that would

annoy *tRump or ol' sorry-ass Lindsey to be offensive. As a gay southern male, I find the depictions of Graham as a southern belle to be very funny indeed.



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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:50 AM

5. Picturing a man in a dress has NOTHING to do with his sexuality. It's satire. Jeebus Ka-rist.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 7, 2020, 12:25 PM

8. When I saw the Lindsey cartoon, I thought of Monty Python.

Trump in a dress only evokes J Edgar Hoover, a mean-spirited hater with no friends.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 7, 2020, 02:20 PM

9. Bingo and Lindsey in a dress is just his personality shining right through.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2020, 12:16 PM

7. I find that most of the "gay" labeling of Trump or Graham to be an effort ...

to make them seem worse by attaching "gayness" to them. It bothers me a lot.

If they were gay it would actually make them seem more human to me, not human enough to vote for, but more human.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:01 AM

10. None of it bothers me in the slightest.

People get their panties in a twist over shit that doesn't matter.

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Response to Mickju (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 8, 2020, 07:24 AM

11. I agree. There are "mixed messages" and inconsistent reactions. "Miss Lindsey" is....

I agree. There are "mixed messages" and inconsistent reactions. "Miss Lindsey" is offensive, we're told... and cartoons/photoshop of Trump/Putin kissing (or horseback riding together) is offensive, we're told. But trump in a dress, or Lindsey in a dress or made-up as a Belle isn't offensive, apparently.

Sometimes I seek advice/comment from my son and his husband on these questions... and they aren't offended in the least. So I guess there's no clear consensus.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Jan 8, 2020, 10:02 PM

12. Since it's the best he's looked for years... no debate from me.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 09:42 AM

13. I say no.

Not a slam on trans women because not a typical way for them to dress, anyway.

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