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Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:13 PM

OMFG.... NC: Court Upholds Law Permitting Magistrates To Refuse To Issue Marriage Licenses


http://www.joemygod.com/2016/09/21/north-carolina-federal-court-upholds-law-permitting-magistrates-to-refuse-to-issue-marriage-licenses/

NORTH CAROLINA: Court Upholds Law Permitting Magistrates To Refuse To Issue Marriage Licenses

A federal judge has upheld a North Carolina law that allows magistrates to refuse to marry same-sex couples by citing religious beliefs.

The judge in Asheville dismissed a lawsuit filed by three couples, two gay and one interracial. The judge ruled that the couples lacked legal standing as taxpayers to sue and lacked evidence showing they were harmed directly by the law taking effect in June 2015. Still, U.S. District Judge Max Cogburn wrote there is potential someone could suffer real harm because of the law.

The plaintiffs’ lawyers filed notice Wednesday that they’ll appeal the ruling to the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. North Carolina is one of only two states with such religious-objection laws that are being enforced. About 5 percent of North Carolina’s magistrates have filed recusal notices.

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Reply OMFG.... NC: Court Upholds Law Permitting Magistrates To Refuse To Issue Marriage Licenses (Original post)
WillParkinson Sep 2016 OP
DonCoquixote Sep 2016 #1
niyad Sep 2016 #2
sinkingfeeling Sep 2016 #3
kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #4
Missn-Hitch Sep 2016 #15
atreides1 Sep 2016 #5
mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #9
GeorgeGist Sep 2016 #6
relayerbob Sep 2016 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #11
FreeState Sep 2016 #12
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #13
FreeState Sep 2016 #14
retrowire Sep 2016 #8
Cryptoad Sep 2016 #10
dsc Sep 2016 #17
dsc Sep 2016 #16

Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:21 PM

1. I remember when we bent over backwards

To make NC a blue state, even having the convention there. It seems NC is determined to stay hard dixie.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:22 PM

2. there are words, but they would probably get me in trouble.

note to magistrates, judges, clerks, etc: if your "sincerely held religious beliefs" are sooooo sincere, get a job in a church.

MY sincerely held beliefs do not approve of MY tax money going to support hate-filled, ignorant, whining, asshole bigots.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:34 PM

3. North Carolina just about 30 years ago was miles ahead of the rest

of the South. Big employers at Research Triangle Park had 10s of thousands of diverse employees, great universities were producing open-minded citizens, and Governor Hunt was stressing progress. I lived and worked in Raleigh from 1979 thru 1983. What the hell happened?

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 04:17 PM

15. I just had a patient tell me it is awful if you are not FROM N.C.

A lady walked into her business, asked her where she was from and said to her, "sorry, I can't do business with you."

They moved to the Pacific Northwest and they love it here.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:44 PM

5. It's happened before

Read this little bit of NC history after the Civil War.

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/nchist-civilwar/5468

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 03:56 PM

9. Democrats did not come out to vote in 2010

Republicans took over the Legislature--gerrymandered districts--and in 2012 McCrory (who was known as a moderate Mayor of Charlotte)
won the Governor's office. He then proceeded to turn hard right--supported by all the right wing bigots in the Legislature--and for the first
time in over 100 years Republicans controlled the State of NC.

Democrats HAVE to vote in every election: Republicans do.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:53 PM

6. Civil rights be damned ...

until you can prove that their violation is harmful to Y O U.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 03:51 PM

7. Headline is misleading

It wasn't "upheld". They screwed up the case. Big difference. By saying that "there is potential someone could suffer real harm because of the law. ", the judge left the door open for future cases. Hopefully, someone with better merits and legal advice will step up and take down that mess of a law.

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 04:02 PM

11. (post made moot by response. Thanks)

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 04:07 PM

12. Joe My God is a well known and respected LGBT Blogger (Edit with link)

The error was the AP's.

From the OPs link:

"NOTE: An earlier report by the AP has been criticized as mischaracterizing the ruling. See below."

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Response to FreeState (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 04:08 PM

13. Thanks. . . . . . nt

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 04:09 PM

14. It was the AP's heading n/t

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 03:51 PM

8. jokes on them!

My sister in law already got married to her wife AND they have a little girl! Hahaha!!

But seriously, we're going to flood the polls with blue this season. We can't let NC go any further.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 03:59 PM

10. I thought we settled this in ,,,

with cases in KY and AL last Year??????

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 08:53 PM

17. No in those cases no one could get a licence

in NC they have had others giving out the licences. This is a related but different issue.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 08:52 PM

16. the problem is that I don't know how we are going to find someone with standing to sue over this

Since gay couples can get married the courts are saying that there is no harm for us to sue over. I think what needs to happen is that a gay person in a county that is served entirely by magistrates who refuse (there is one of those) needs to sue over the fact they can't use a magistrate for other purposes.

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