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Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:54 PM

 

I wish that DU was as passionate about LGBT rights 8-10 years ago

As they are now supporting Sanders' LGBT record.

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Reply I wish that DU was as passionate about LGBT rights 8-10 years ago (Original post)
dbackjon Oct 2015 OP
MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #1
merrily Oct 2015 #3
MuseRider Oct 2015 #6
merrily Oct 2015 #7
MuseRider Oct 2015 #10
dbackjon Oct 2015 #15
Amimnoch Oct 2015 #16
Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #19
SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #26
nomorenomore08 Nov 2015 #27
merrily Oct 2015 #2
MNBrewer Oct 2015 #4
MuseRider Oct 2015 #5
DURHAM D Oct 2015 #8
Skittles Oct 2015 #9
MuseRider Oct 2015 #11
Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #13
Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #12
FreeState Oct 2015 #18
Fearless Nov 2015 #23
Behind the Aegis Nov 2015 #24
dbackjon Nov 2015 #28
LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #14
closeupready Oct 2015 #17
Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #20
dbackjon Nov 2015 #29
DemocraticWing Nov 2015 #21
Fearless Nov 2015 #22
dbackjon Nov 2015 #25

Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:56 PM

1. Many of us were

 

Do you have evidence otherwise?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:04 PM

3. You understood that word soup?

I mean, I did got that it was intended to insult Bernie's DU supporters, but I can't take credit for that: so many OPs are. Beyond that, though, I was a little lost.

I am supposed to be ashamed for commending a politician for a good record on equal human rights? Especially when his record gets attacked by the supporters of someone who was on record opposing equal marriage until 2013? I don't get it the logic. Or the point.

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Response to merrily (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:26 PM

6. I must have missed something

because I agree with this poster. Maybe it was some posters he knew before that were not helpful but are now really supportive of Bernie but never got that upset over the LGBT concerns before? I don't know but I do agree with him, it was really really hard back then and those of us who worked those issues ended up fighting our own side as well as the other. It is not easily forgiven what was said and it actually should not be.

I am happy we are where we are now and with Bernie I think we can finish it. Peace and love!

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:38 PM

7. I may be at a disadvantage because I was not posting at DU ten years ago. However,

Last edited Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:12 PM - Edit history (1)

I have been "upset" over equal human rights for all humans since at least high school. I have never excused anything less than that because I happened to like a politician on other grounds.

Broad brush smears of any group? Never right.

However, what about Hillary supporters who excused not standing firm for equal human rights until their favorite politician did? I would bet my DU password that there are quite a few of them, yet the OP singles out Bernie's supporters. So, to me, it's more of a petty partisan shot at Bernie's supporters than it is an equal rights statement.

However, my point was not about DU history but that the OP failed to articulate it comprehensibly.

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Response to merrily (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:03 PM

10. Ahh, thanks.

I remember the poster from years and years here but I do not know who they support. Maybe it was just a comment about how hard we fight for Bernie when the Obama supporters and likely the Clinton supporters from years back were calling LGBT rights asking for ponies or worse. It was very very hard. I am not gay and I was in tears half the time reading the nasty things that were said.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:45 AM

15. LOL - I was BANNED, along with dozens of others for pushing LGBT rights

 

back in 2009.


While we had a few supporters, most of the site was "don't rock the boat, you make us lose elections"

From day one at DU, it was that way, 90% of DU did not actively support LGBT rights, or did not think it was important enough to make an issue out of. We were told to shut up, donate money, and be happy for whatever crumbs were given us.


Now, many of those very same people are pounding their chests over Sanders LGBT record, when they were telling him to shut up about it 10 years ago.


It is the hypocritical nature of it. Most didn't give a rat's ass about LGBT rights back when Hillary didn't either, so don't use that as a talking point.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:53 PM

16. True that. it was a mess.

 

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:07 PM

19. I remember this

Not because I was posting here at DU but because I remember when a lot of you that were banned here migrated to Pam's House Blend; never did get full data on that (it might have been explained at PHB).

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:59 AM

27. Most people are basically sheep, when you get down to it.

They follow whichever way the wind blows, and as the political climate has become more gay-friendly, so go they.

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:01 PM

2. Hah?

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:07 PM

4. I wish Hillary Clinton had been.

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:22 PM

5. Some of us were working our asses off for the cause

but I sure feel what you are saying. It would have been a LOT easier if we did not have to go through all the crap with "he is running to be the President of everyone" to include people like McClurkin and Warren and all the other little things here and there that were not little to anyone who actually cared about LGBT citizens.

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:41 PM

8. Yes, but 10-20 years ago actually

We were the wedge issue for both parties.

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:53 PM

9. I was

I have long been in solidarity with my DU LGBT brothers and sisters

I am reminded of that bumper sticker "I LOVE JESUS; HIS FAN BASE, NOT SO MUCH"

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Response to Skittles (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:03 PM

11. :-)

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Response to Skittles (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:42 AM

13. "Jesus loves you; He really does.

 

He even loves me - and I'm a Christian!"

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:13 AM

12. I agree. Hell, even a few years ago.

There are certainly people who have always been in our corner, but for more than a few, as of recent, we are nothing more than a political football for them to kick around. Frankly, I am disgusted by it, but not at all surprised.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:26 PM

18. +1 n/t

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:24 AM

23. Still better than being on the 2000-4 side of the football field.

At least now we're winning.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:28 AM

24. Are we?

All I see is our struggle, rights, and lives being used to score political points and kicked around. We certainly have come a long ways in the terms of rights, but there are those who claim to be allies who are anything but, and I am including those who are also gay.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:13 PM

28. We are still the wedge issue

 

Frankly, I would bet that the majority of people blasting Hillary about LGBT issues really don't give a shit about LGBT issues - it is just something to bash Hillary about.





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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:14 AM

14. Don't worry as soon as the Pope sneezes LGBTQ issues go back under the bus nt

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:56 PM

17. I don't know if I agree with the premise underlying this, but I will say this:

 

I love and respect my heterosexual friends.

However, I will NEVER leave my fate in their hands. The progress the GLBT community as a whole has made over the last 15-20 years is, in my view, entirely due to advocacy of GLBT members for their civil rights and calling for a complete end to government discrimination against them on the basis of their sexual orientation.

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:02 AM

20. Huh? I was here 10 years ago. Why single out Sanders?

 

Seems to me the shoe is on the other foot. What exactly was Clinton saying about us in 2005? ( Oh. Yeeeeeah. That's right!)

And her supporters?

Hmmm.... seems as though someone got a little "horsie" in this race.

Why not just say so?

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:37 PM

29. I am undecided

 

I am not singling out Sanders - just his supporters that once again are using the very LGBT rights that most of them AGREED with Clinton's stance in 2007 (and 1995) as a wedge issue.

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 12:17 PM

21. I wish the Democratic Party was as passionate about LGBT Rights.

I forget, "God is in the mix" when it comes to the "sacred bond" of marriage.

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Response to dbackjon (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:22 AM

22. I was, thanks for playing.

What was Hillary supporting ten years ago?

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Response to Fearless (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:12 PM

25. Thank for that

 

As for Hillary, she was supporting the same thing that 95% of DU (and a majority of Sanders supporters) was.

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