Displaced by Israel, Palestinians make homes in caves

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/17648-displaced-by-israel-palestinians-make-homes-in-caves

Scores of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank have made homes in caves on the outskirts of Al-Khalil (Hebron) because the Israeli occupation authorities continue to prevent them from building homes on territories earmarked for illegal settlements for Jews. Noaman Hamamda, 57, told Anadolu that he and his fellow Palestinians in this predicament have tried to build homes with bricks and cement, but the Israelis demolish the structures on the grounds that they have been built without a permit. It is very rare for Palestinians to be given a building permit by the occupation authorities.

Hamamda and his 13-member family currently live in a cave covering around 30 square metres; they have no basic amenities. Nevertheless, he and other Palestinians in the area say that they would rather suffer such harsh living conditions in the caves than abandon their ancestral land to Israeli settlement projects.

"The occupation keeps trying to evict us," said Hamamda while his wife Rasmiya prepared tea with primitive utensils, "but we refuse to give up the land. Life is hard for us here, but you get used to it."

The family's cave is split into three sections: one for sleeping, another for storing grain; and a third for receiving guests. Outside the cave is a wood oven that Rasmiya uses for cooking and baking bread. "We live a primitive life, but we endure it for the sake of protecting our land," she said.

This is the byproduct of open brutish Israeli apartheid.

BDS.

[android fan]

2. My feelings, exactly.

MEM, Maan, 972, and Mondoweiss has been spitting out propaganda, and it's been faithfully posted by people who believes in this crap.

Oh, and since the exports for Israel is up, and India and China is now their newest trading partner, I don't think it's going to be an effective BDS

BDS started in 1995, and it's been ineffective in its 20 years of existence.

Little or no impact of BDS on Israel:

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/09/05/the-bds-movement-wont-harm-israels-economy-just-its-reputation/
http://www.thejewishweek.com/special-sections/israel-now/more-noise-anything
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.636172
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Multi-nationals-say-BDS-not-making-a-dent-384958

And a fascinating article how BDS is actually stunting the Palestinian economy
http://www.forbes.com/sites/carriesheffield/2015/02/22/boycott-israel-movement-stunts-the-palestinian-economy/

In other words, BDS damages Palestinians, not Israelis.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. Why not just include YNET News and JPost as well?

You're as transparent as glass.

[android fan]

5. So no defense?

So the ROFL emoticon is all you got?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

6. There's no need for a response or defense. You're horribly transparent.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Speaking of Haaretz...is this "propaganda?"

http://www.haaretz.com/news/1.543665#!

Jerusalem demolishes Palestinian home, family forced to move into a cave

Jerusalem municipal bulldozers demolished the home of the Zir family of Silwan last week before the courts ruled on the issue. Left homeless, the family has moved into a cave.

Khaled Zir, a Silwan resident and father of five children, the smallest of them four months old, lived for the past seven years in a 60-square meter home made of drywall and tin. The home was built on an open area owned by the family in the heart of the East Jerusalem neighborhood. The Zirs built around their home a dovecote, a small chicken coop and planted a grove.

Half a year ago, Zir received an administrative order from the city to demolish his home because his family's land is zoned as open area within the national park surrounding the walls of the Old City. His lawyer, Sammy Arshid, appealed to the city to cancel the order, which he claimed to be illegal. "My client claims someone who is not authorized to order the destruction of buildings issued the announcements," wrote Arshid.

Well?

[android fan]

8. You overlooked the third paragraph...

Thanks for including it and the reason why it was declared illegal.

Have a nice day.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. No, I included the third paragraph, but thanks for blindly pointing out injustice.

Para 3 shows Israeli injustice: taking what it wants, evicting Palestinians when it wants.


Give my regards to the apartheid empire.

[android fan]

10. So a legal Israeli ruling is injustice?

Okay.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. Since Israel continually runs Palestinians off their land with these illegal tactics. Yes.

But thanks for showing DUers who you are carrying water for.

You really are transparent.

Enjoy your stay.

[android fan]

12. So what if I am for Israel?

But definitely NOT for Bibi.

I believe Israel has the right to exist. It's been established in 1948, UN-recognized.

However, if Palestine can get their government together and get rid of their terrorists and cleanly and formally (and I mean on the lips) recognize the state of Israel, then maybe Israel might do the same.

So that leaves me with two questions: 1) Do you believe that Israel has the right to exist? and 2) Do you believe that Israel has the right to defend itself from enemies, domestic and foreign?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. You do seem to be speaking / writing from ignorance.

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I believe Israel has the right to exist. It's been established in 1948, UN-recognized.

I never mentioned that at ass so thanks for adding in a strawman argument. What that was for is bewildering.

However, if Palestine can get their government together and get rid of their terrorists and cleanly and formally (and I mean on the lips) recognize the state of Israel, then maybe Israel might do the same.

You do know that many of Israel's founding members and later PM's were terrorists, right? I mean you must know that, right?

So that leaves me with two questions: 1) Do you believe that Israel has the right to exist? and 2) Do you believe that Israel has the right to defend itself from enemies, domestic and foreign?

Israel has a right to exist: within its own borders and not beyond them. I believe that Palestine has just as much right as Israel to exist; especially without illegal colonies peppered throughout its land.

So what if I am for Israel?

Well, Israel is an apartheid state. There can be no debating that at all. The Likrud win, coupled with a majority of Israelis voting for the right, has sealed that.

Live with it, but learn how to live within your borders as well.

[Ken Burch]

16. The PA recognized Israel in 1993. The recognition issue has been put to rest.

And there is no reason to make Palestinians use any words in recognizing Israel that Egypt and Jordan didn't have to use.

[azurnoir]

14. that forbes piece we saw it last month the rhetotic used was almost identical to South Africa's

back in the day

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113496142

as for the rest we keep being told that BDS is nothing piffle there's almost a waiting line of folks wanting to say that but if BDS is very nothing important, why the need to keep reminding us of that, sort of make one wonder

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. The hasbaristas are bankrupt, azurnoir

They have nothing, and now after Israel is broadcasting to the world that it is an apartheid state, they have less.

They're just mouthing the words to failed and evil ideology.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

3. It would be nice to read real responses to the OP rather than the usual

hand wringing and whining.

"The article contains no statement from the Israeli side."

And what would those statements be perchance?

"There will be no Palestinian state on my watch." -Netanyahu

"Them Arabs are being bussed to the polling places by the LibRuls." -Netanyahu

"Them there Palestinians don't deserve permits or places to live near 'our' illegal colonies." -Some Israeli / bigot / settler

"Pallywood! Pallywood!" -Bigots who hate Palestinians

"No Comment. We don't know nuttin about it." -IDF spoksman


Take your pick or make up your own.

[azurnoir]

17. There is a history of evicting Palestinians from cave homes too

In a little over two weeks, Israel's supreme court will hear an appeal on behalf of the villagers against the planned evacuation of eight communities in the South Hebron Hills. If the 13-year legal battle over Firing Zone 918 ends in Israel's favour, the bleat of goats will be replaced by the crack of assault rifles and the villagers will be moved into a nearby town. The Israeli government's position is that, as a military training zone including live fire, the area is not a suitable environment for permanent residence.

"For the past 20 years, Israel has been actively expelling and displacing the inhabitants of the South Hebron Hills villages," it says. "These villagers have always practised a unique lifestyle: most of them are cave-dwellers and find their livelihood in sheep and goat-herding and small crop farming. Over these years, they have suffered unceasing harassment by the Israeli army and settlers ... They live in constant fear, helplessly facing a ruthless power that does everything to displace them from the home they have inhabited for centuries."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/29/hebron-israeli-authors-palestinian-villagers-caves-eviction