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Related: About this forum‘Qaedat al-Jihad’ claims responsibility for Burgas attack
An Islamist group claimed responsibility for carrying out the Burgas bombing on Wednesday in an email sent Saturday to Elnashra, a Lebanese newspaper.
One of our units, aided by God, managed to bomb a bus full of Jewish tourists, plunderers of holy lands, after careful tracking, the group wrote in an email published by Elnashra.
The previously unknown group is a possible affiliate of al-Qaeda, commentators in Israel said Saturday evening, noting its name in Arabic Qaedat al-Jihad.
The email stated: The month of Ramadan is a month of holy war and martyrdom for God. It is a month for fighting the enemies of Allah and Gods messenger, the Jews and their American facilitators.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/base-of-islam-claims-responsibility-for-burgas-attack/
zellie
(437 posts)murdering innocent people is not exactly something to be proud of.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)We mustn't be prejudice, Peachy.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Taught us that.
When it comes to Jews , anyway .
Violet_Crumble
(35,984 posts)Because if yr talking about Muslim culture, a comment like that is very bigoted and ugly and something that shouldn't be welcome at DU. The actions of extremists of a group, whether they're Muslims or Jews, does not equate to being the culture of the entire group...
Violet_Crumble
(35,984 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,984 posts)It very much seems right now that you were indeed judging Muslim culture by the actions and words of Muslim extremists. Do you know what the name is for someone who does that in judging Jews by the actions and words of Jewish extremists? It's every bit as ugly and bigoted...
King_David
(14,851 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:07 PM - Edit history (1)
And your way out of line here.
I do not blame him at all for not responding to you.
This is not the 1st time he has been subjected to this fishing expedition .
Why oblige ?
Violet_Crumble
(35,984 posts)Despite yr claims to the contrary, there's nothing out of line or of a fishing excpedition nature in asking someone to clarify what they say, especially when what they say can be taken by any reasonable and intelligent person as being a comment on Muslim and Jewish cultures.
People generally oblige in answering questions because they understand that a discussion forum involves discussion. Maybe you could get ten people together and ask Skinner to create a group where there's a prohibition on anyone being asked anything at all
Violet_Crumble
(35,984 posts)It's no more baiting than asking someone who makes a comment that can be read as negative about Jewish culture to clarify what they're saying. I can't imagine why you have no issue with the latter, but have all sorts of problems with the former...
King_David
(14,851 posts)And the Culture of Richard Falk who supports it.
And the culture of people who think butchering Jewish teenagers is an acceptable strategy for a Human Being .
Violet_Crumble
(35,984 posts)As usual, what you say makes no sense in the context of what Holden was saying...
King_David
(14,851 posts)My opinion is that it not only makes sense it is 100% spot on.
No matter how uncomfortable that may be .
Ha im ze baroor ?
Violet_Crumble
(35,984 posts)Holden should thank you for running interference. I'm sure you wouldn't be rushing to defend someone who said something similarly negative about Jewish culture...
King_David
(14,851 posts)Unless your a psychic,
You can not possibly know what mine are.
Thank You
Violet_Crumble
(35,984 posts)To me, none at all...
Speaking of psychic, I leave the mindreading to yr attempts to tell me what other DUers are thinking when they post
King_David
(14,851 posts)They don't realize that they shouldn't be equating Israeli and Jew ?
I guess they don't agree with some of our DU members ?
Otherwise this would be an antisemitic incident ?
To me , they seem to hate Jews ...
zellie
(437 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Equating Jews with Israel is only wrong in certain circumstances.
For example...
-- Saying that Israel is a Jewish State is wrong. Otherwise how could we hope for unlimited right of return? Israel is a state for everyone.
-- However, saying you hate Zionists/Israelis is OK, because you don't mean Jews. How could you? Hating Jews is wrong.
"You're gonna have to learn your clichés. You're gonna have to study them, you're gonna have to know them. They're your friends." -- Crash Davis
Igel
(35,387 posts)Alqaeda is "al qaedat-ul jihad". It's the name bin Laden's group took in 2002. The rebranding didn't really take in the US media.
The British underground bombers were al-qaedat al-jihad fi urupu (not sure on the final word's spelling: "In Europe" . They didn't get named much more than the "underground bombers."
Somalia's AQ is alqaedat al jihad. We just call that AQ. As opposed to AQ in the West (okay, Maghreb).
I'm not being consistent with my transcription. All are "holy war bases". And yes, I translate "jihad" as "holy war."
The point is that all the various qawa'id (pl. of qaeda) are mangled and often skipped in Western media. Most would assume that "qaedat" is different from "qaeda" from "qaida". They should include a guide or footnotes or be more consistent.
The "Ramadan is the month of jihad" rhetoric is also straight out of AQ's Salafist/Deobandi playbook. Pakistan's, too. It was amusing when I was avidly reading the Pak press in the early 2000s when Ramadan would occur. * would say Ramadan was a time of reflection and peace, as did CAIR and other US Muslims. The word from Pakistan was mostly "month of jihad, month of jihad, month of jihad." And they didn't mean "quiet internal reflection," judging by the explosions and shootings and incendiary sermons.
On edit: I suppose it's worth a quibbling mention that Bulgaria is, like Andalusia, one of the lost "lands of Islam." Some hairsplitting Salafist could assert that killing Jews in Bulgaria is just as worthwhile as killing them in Hebron.