Israel says soldier executed, foreign hostages held at Gaza's Shifa hospital

[Eugene]

Source: Reuters

Israel says soldier executed, foreign hostages held at Gaza's Shifa hospital

By Dan Williams
November 20, 2023 12:16 AM UTC · Updated 3 hours ago

JERUSALEM, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Israel stepped up accusations of Hamas abuses at the Gaza Strip's biggest hospital on Sunday, saying a captive soldier had been executed and two foreign hostages held at a site that has been a focus of its devastating six-week-old offensive.

At one point a shelter for tens of thousands of Palestinian war refugees, Al Shifa Hospital has been evacuating patients and staff since Israeli troops swept in last week on what they called a mission to root out hidden Hamas facilities.

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"According to intelligence information - solid intelligence information - Noa was taken by Hamas terrorists inside the walls of Shifa hospital. There, she was murdered by a Hamas terrorist," chief spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said.

He did not elaborate.

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Original Reuters link (paywall): https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-55-metre-fortified-tunnel-found-under-gazas-shifa-hospital-2023-11-19/

[T_A]

1. The IDF

is trying to make a big deal out of the video of them entering the hospital, as if it was somehow proof of their prior unsubstantiated allegations. Would they preferred they did NOT take the wounded hostage(s) to the hospital? I assumed they would kill-off any wounded hostages, as they would be a burden.

Anymore, any pronouncement from the Likud or the IDF is just ridiculous.

[Beastly Boy]

3. Sure, war crimes alleged on the basis of solid evidence is no big deal, right?

Did the hostages just wound themselves? Who did you expect to make these pronouncements, Ismail Haniyeh?

And despite your vigorous denials, the footage IS proof of the IDF allegations that the hospital lost its protective status on October 7, 2023 and became a legitimate military target under international law.

As far as the IDF preferences, they would likely be in this order: that there would be no wounded hostages, or that hamas did not take any hostages, or better still, that there would be no hamas to take any hostages. No big deal, right?

[T_A]

4. WHAT "Solid Evidence"?

Did the hostages just wound themselves? Who did you expect to make these pronouncements, Ismail Haniyeh?

Non Sequitur.

And despite your vigorous denials, the footage IS proof of the IDF allegations that the hospital lost its protective status on October 7, 2023 and became a legitimate military target under international law.

Wrong.

'Human Rights Watch' stated there has been NO EVIDENCE yet presented which would reverse the 'protective status'.

Sorry.

The video of them taking wounded hostage(s) into the hospital does not prove they were using it as a 'command center' as much as the IDF would like to twist reality.

[stopdiggin]

5. your credulity is - fairly complete

Even statements from doctors and patients have indicated that Hamas was on site, and in control - and that they had been all along. Sympathy for the innocents is one thing (and we have them in plenty) - but plain denial of even the most reasonable evidentiary claims ... Sorry, but that ship is going down.

[T_A]

7. Except

the IDFs claim the video is evidence of a 'command center' is silly. Bringing wounded people to a hospital indicates nothing of the sort.

The IDF is so desperate to try and verify their baseless claims, to them EVERYTHING is somehow connected. Silly.

[Beastly Boy]

11. Nope. that's what YOU claim.

Cite any IDF source that claims "the video is evidence of a 'command center'.

I dare ya.

[T_A]

14. YAWN

[Beastly Boy]

16. That's exactly what I suspected. You must be talking in your sleep.

It doesn't make any sense coming from an awake person.

[Beastly Boy]

6. Human Rights Watch states all sorts of crazy shit

Maybe that's why its founder Robert Bernstein slammed them for their antisemitism, and Kenneth Roth, its executive director, just quit. If that's your only source, it is a laughable defense for your claims. Never mind that the supposed quote you excerpted has not been cited.

There were recordings of both wounded and non-wounded hostages. The ones who were physically able to resist, resisted.

I wouldn't say that bringing up the headquarters issue makes you any more credible, although I can see why you would deflect. Holding hostages in a hospital and belligerent combatants brandishing firearms as they drag the hostages in is more than sufficient for it to lose its protective status under international law.

Weak. Really weak.

[T_A]

8. Nope

Again, should they have NOT taken wounded people to a hospital?

If you stand on your head, rub your tummy, and sing Dixie, it still doesn't work.

[Beastly Boy]

9. Don't deflect.

They abducted the people. They wounded the people. They took the people to the hospital. I doubt very much that treating the wounded was on their minds - they took the healthy hostages there too. What they should or should not have done has a longer history to it than you pretend, and it is not the issue.

They made the hospital a legitimate military target. Note that I am not asking you whether or not they should have done this. They did.

And guess what: I am standing on my head, rubbing my tummy and singing Dixie as I am posting this, and detaining hostages in a hospital is still a violation of international law. And, BTW, the hospital personnel who were aware of this and didn't report it are complicit in violating international law.

[T_A]

10. Eh

Don't deflect

You're obviously easily distracted.

They abducted the people. They wounded the people. They took the people to the hospital. I doubt very much that treating the wounded was on their minds - they took the healthy hostages there too.

Soooo, should they have left them in the parking lot like a parked car?

They made the hospital a legitimate military target.

False.

Your comprehension of international law is seriously lacking.

...detaining hostages in a hospital is still a violation of international law.

Which STILL doesn't support the IDF allegation of a 'command center', which is, after all, is THE POINT.

[Beastly Boy]

12. And yet another deflection. Is this supposed to prove that you are not deflecting?

"Which STILL doesn't support the IDF allegation of a 'command center', which is, after all, is THE POINT."

It is your point, and your point alone. There is no allegation that the videos have any relation to "command center". You made it up, and you keep deflecting to what you made up.

Let me repeat this slowly: The. Presence. of Armed. Combatants. In. The. Hospital. Removes. The. Hospital. Protections. Under. International. Law. Which part of this is beyond the limits of your presumed legal expertise?

Look it up. Just once. Maybe then your pretense to comment on other people's comprehension of international law would not appear so laughable.

[T_A]

13. HAH

The. Presence. of Armed. Combatants. In. The. Hospital. Removes. The. Hospital. Protections. Under. International. Law.

NO. IT. DOESN'T.

Reversing the 'protective status' of a hospital is an EXTREMELY high bar.

You ain't there. You ain't even close.

[Beastly Boy]

15. Says who?

The. Presence. of Armed. Combatants. In. The. Hospital. Removes. The. Hospital. Protections. Under. International. Law.

Yes it does. And I dare you to cite a source that tells otherwise.

Reversing the 'protective status' of a hospital is an EXTREMELY high bar which Hamas met on October 7. This is what the videos had proven beyond any doubt. When it comes to war crimes, they are the uncontested champions at committing them.

[T_A]

17. I'm Sympathetic To Your Confusion

You're mixing-up your posts and responses.

You should get more rest.

[Beastly Boy]

18. Awww, challenge declined!

Not that I blame you for running away from it: that was the smart thing to do.

I am just disappointed.

[jimfields33]

2. Hamas has another murder on their already bloody hands.

Disgusting group of people. Keep getting rid of Hamas. They are unacceptable in this world.