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Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 11:46 AM Jun 2023

"The Palestine Laboratory": Antony Loewenstein on How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation



We speak with journalist and author Antony Loewenstein about his new book, The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World. Loewenstein explains that Israel's military-industrial complex has used the Occupied Palestinian Territories for decades as a testing ground for weaponry and surveillance technology that it then exports around the world for profit. "You find in over 130 countries across the globe in the last decades, Israel has sold … a range of tools of occupation and repression that have initially been tested in Palestine on Palestinians," Loewenstein says.
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"The Palestine Laboratory": Antony Loewenstein on How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jun 2023 OP
Claiming that Israel is a Jewish supremacist state Mosby Jun 2023 #1
This from the individual that calls Israeli Jun 2023 #6
The government of Israel uses the place names, Judea and Samaria Mosby Jun 2023 #7
Thanks for proving my point. Israeli Jun 2023 #8
Surveillance is a tool of occupation and repression? Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #2
It most certainly can be Uncle Joe Jun 2023 #3
What the author describes as Israeli repression of Palestinians is virtually identical to Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #4
Apples and oranges, you/we aren't under occupation, Uncle Joe Jun 2023 #5

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
1. Claiming that Israel is a Jewish supremacist state
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 01:03 PM
Jun 2023

Is Antisemitic.

The whole video is antisemitic trash.

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
7. The government of Israel uses the place names, Judea and Samaria
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 11:49 PM
Jun 2023

A joint IDF, ISA & Israel Police announcement:

"In recent days, violent attacks have been carried out by Israelis in Judea and Samaria against innocent Palestinians. These attacks contradict every moral and Jewish value; they constitute, in every way, nationalist terrorism, and we are obliged to fight them." 1/4

"The IDF, ISA and Israel Police are committed to continuing to operate with determination and using all the means that are at our disposal to maintain security and the law in Judea and Samaria." 2/4




If you want to make up stupid names for those areas knock yourself out.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
8. Thanks for proving my point.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 05:41 AM
Jun 2023

Of course " The government of Israel uses the place names, Judea and Samaria "
Its the biblical name for The West Bank / Occupied Territories !!!!

This is the most extreme Religious Right wing government we have ever had .

Only the religious right and those that support them call it Judea and Samaria .

Everybody else including Left wing religious call it either The Territories or The West Bank .

Look at todays news :

West Bank shooting attack: IDF force fired on from passing vehicle, no casualties reported
@https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ryiwbobdn

Legalization of 3 West Bank outposts among plans slated for approval next week
@https://www.timesofisrael.com/legalization-of-3-west-bank-outposts-among-plans-slated-for-approval-next-week/

U.S. to Exclude Funding From Academic Institutions in the West Bank
@https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2023-06-25/ty-article/.premium/u-s-to-exclude-funding-from-academic-institutions-in-the-west-bank/00000188-f1b2-db86-a3f9-fbff1c8d0000

Quote you : "" If you want to make up stupid names for those areas knock yourself out. ""

Actually it was the television political satire program Eretz Nehderit who came up with it in a hilarious skit
about the settlers in The Wild West Bank .
I will try and find it for you .

Beastly Boy

(9,375 posts)
2. Surveillance is a tool of occupation and repression?
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 02:17 PM
Jun 2023

Damn, every time I look up a light post on a street of an average US city, I am seeing signs of occupation and repression!

And considering how much of the same tech is being exported by the US, I feel like a repressed subject of a laboratory experiment to be exploited and profited from. How many countries did the US sell these tools of occupation and repression to?

BTW, Israel doesn't even make it into the top 30 most surveilled countries in the world. What kind of a crappy laboratory have they made of Palestine?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1290708/top-surveilled-countries-worldwide/

C'mon, how insulting is this nonsense to the Palestinian people? Like they have no other worry in the world...

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
3. It most certainly can be
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 03:28 PM
Jun 2023

Perhaps they didn't consider Palestine; The West Bank, Gaza, or Palestinians areas of Jerusalem to be a country in their calculations?



(snip)


Palestinians are subjected to multiple layers of surveillance, all of which aim to monitor Palestinian voices, restrict freedom of expression, and discourage their autonomy. Surveillance in Palestine bears an uncanny resemblance to the Panopticon, a mechanism of social and psychological control proposed by the English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the 18th century. At the center of the Panopticon stands a guard in a watchtower. Surrounding the watchman are prison cells, all within his eyeshot, so the prisoners, not knowing whether they are being watched at any given time, are constantly on their best behavior. The French philosopher Michel Foucault, in his analysis of the Panopticon, argued that its purpose is to “arrange things [so] that the surveillance is permanent in its effects, even if it is discontinuous in its actions.” The same megalomaniacal logic undergirds Israeli surveillance: The point is not only to watch Palestinians through strategically placed cameras, but also — and what’s perhaps more insidious — to make them feel watched no matter where they are. Israel’s digital surveillance is thus the latest iteration of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) tactic of “demonstrating presence,” which promotes Israeli patrols of Palestinian communities for the sole purpose of exhibiting the army’s sprawling reach.

Surveillance lies at the very heart of occupation. As Edward Said wrote in his book Orientalism: “Knowledge of subject races or ‘Orientals’ is what makes their management easy and profitable; knowledge gives power, more power requires more knowledge, and so on in an increasingly profitable dialectic of information and control." Surveillance empowers the occupier by yielding information about the politics, culture, and daily life of the occupied.

Palestinians are subjected to Israeli authorities' digital monitoring on a daily basis, at checkpoints, during protests and social gatherings, and on social media. Palestinians are also subjected to what Shoshanna Zuboff has termed surveillance capitalism, whereby social media companies collect user data for profit through increasingly invasive means of data collection and analysis. In the absence of legislation protecting their right to privacy, Palestinians are particularly vulnerable to such corporate meddling into their lives. Finally, Palestinians regularly experience breaches of their privacy by the Palestinian Authority in its attempt to monitor them and prevent opponents from expressing their opinions.

Surveillance in daily life

Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank living under military occupation have always suffered significant social control and monitoring, often in the form of unannounced raids or searches of their homes and brutal interrogation at border crossings and checkpoints. In the past 20 years, this monitoring has penetrated the digital realm and has been ramped up with digital technologies. Palestinians are routinely monitored in public spaces, as Israeli authorities deploy CCTV cameras in the streets of the Palestinian territory, specifically in Hebron and East Jerusalem. This practice began in the year 2000, when Israel launched its technological and surveillance center “Mabat 2000.” Mabat, meaning “gaze” in Hebrew, has increased the number of cameras. In June 2014, the Israeli government passed resolution No. 1775, which calls for more CCTV cameras in Jerusalem under the pretext of "enhancing security." As a result of the resolution, Israel earmarked 48.9 million NIS ($15.26 million) in 2015 for increased CCTV surveillance in Jerusalem.

(snip)

The Israeli government maintains control over information and communications technology (ICT) infrastructure in the Palestinian territory, thus depriving Palestinians of their basic right to access affordable, quality internet. Israeli authorities have deliberately kept Palestinians’ internet technology obsolete. While Israel is upgrading to the fifth generation of the internet, Palestinians in the West Bank still use the third generation; Palestinians in Gaza get only the second. Depriving Palestinians of access to new technologies increases the price of the internet while decreasing the security of communication channels. In addition, Israeli authorities now possess the ability to monitor every phone conversation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israeli bugs are implanted in every mobile device imported into Gaza through the Kerem Shalom crossing, without the knowledge or consent of the eventual buyer. Finally, Israel utilizes surveillance spyware, which it manufactures and exports worldwide, against Palestinian human rights defenders. Such surveillance exerts a chilling effect on freedom of expression in spaces of civil society.

(snip)

https://www.mei.edu/publications/nowhere-hide-impact-israels-digital-surveillance-regime-palestinians




Just as some people don't know the Palestinians are also Semites.

Beastly Boy

(9,375 posts)
4. What the author describes as Israeli repression of Palestinians is virtually identical to
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 05:29 PM
Jun 2023

surveillance anywhere in the world. Bringing up the Panopticon in the context of modern surveillance is laughable: the technology not only allows random surveillance of anyone unbeknownst to its subject, it continuously records it. I, as a free citizen of the US, am not only monitored 24/7, but should I commit an infraction (say, run the rd light), I immediately get fined, notified by mail, punished for non-compliance and, should I resist any further, deprived of my driving privileges. And I am not even a resident of an occupied territory where violence is commonplace. How am I not more of a victim that the surveilled Palestinians? How is my voice not less monitored, my freedom of expression not less restricted, and my autonomy not less discouraged? The author is making a clumsy attempt of presenting the nature of surveillance itself as a method of oppression of a relatively small segment of population. His apparent misunderstanding of the nature of surveillance makes for an awkward attempt to fit it to his narrative.

Like I said, the Palestinians have far bigger problems with the Israeli occupation. The article is a distraction from these issues.

Just as it is a distraction to label discrimination of one Semitic group by another Semitic group (which has a long history of manifesting itself in multiple Semitic states and societies) with ridiculous and misleading by design titles like "apartheid" and "ethnic cleansing".

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
5. Apples and oranges, you/we aren't under occupation,
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 06:59 PM
Jun 2023

Palestine is literally a lab for surveillance.

It's part of the carcinogenic, occupying, package, the Palestinians for all practical purposes have no rights, they're at the mercy of Netanyahu's right wing government.



Jun 22, 2020

Israel Nearly Doubled Exports of Surveillance Systems to Track Civilians, Refugees

(snip)

Last year, in contrast to previous years, Israel didn’t strike a single deal worth over $1 billion, while much more lucrative deals had been signed, including with India and South Korea, in the past.

Ministry officials said that 2019 was a “challenging” year due to the drop in oil prices, which adversely affected acquisitions by some countries. The report also stated that Israel sold military command and control systems that had been converted for civilian purposes.

(snip)

Bidding companies were asked to provide information on target countries’ needs for biometric measures, systems for tracking people and vehicles and face recognition systems as well as systems for recognizing voices, images, license plates, cellular geolocation measures, intelligence cybersecurity systems and software for blocking or intercepting information online.

The call was intended to include all countries around the world other than ones defined as enemy states. The ministry seems to have marked Asian countries as a main target for expansion of defense-related exports. Other than Iran, Lebanon and Syria, no other country was noted as constituting any problems in terms of the way equipment from Israel would be used.

(snip)

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-06-22/ty-article/.premium/israel-nearly-doubled-exports-of-surveillance-systems/0000017f-e0ec-df7c-a5ff-e2feb5fc0000



I guess Saudi Arabia is okay?

Israel has infinitely more power than the Palestinians so it's not just one "Semitic Group against another," anymore than watching Russia roll over Ukraine as just one Slavic Peoples against another.

Perhaps you wouldn't so easily discount the right to privacy had *rump succeeded in his coup attempt on January 6th and we were living under his occupation?

I can guarantee you, had that been the case, Netanyahu would be selling the shit out of their cutting edge surveillance tech to him, they got along splendidly while *rump was in power, it's all just so transactional.
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