Kerry: If Congress rejects Iran deal, world will blame Israel

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.667631

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told the Council on Foreign Relations think tank on Friday that should Congress rejects the nuclear deal with Iran, Israel might find itself more isolated and "more blamed by the international community."

Also on Friday, Kerry said in an interview with NBC that it would be a "huge mistake" for Israel to take unilateral military action against Iran.

Kerry was asked in the "Today" show interview if the nuclear deal would make an Israeli military or cyberattack on Tehran more likely.

"That'd be an enormous mistake, a huge mistake with grave consequences for Israel and for the region, and I don't think it's necessary," Kerry said.

[Mosby]

1. people could get hurt.

Message received.

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2. Well, if Israel succeeds in its attempt to hijack the American political process

to torpedo a diplomatic solution, you bet your ass the Israelis will own the aftermath.

They will deserve the blame, and they'll reap the whirlwind.

All of Israel is behind Netanyahu in this interventionism.

They had better pray they fail.

[Mosby]

3. the p5 + 1 are the interventionists.

Think about it.

[Scootaloo]

4. No no, let's hear your logic behind that. In detail.

[BillZBubb]

27. Good luck getting that.

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7. Oh?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. Yoor funny!

When will they be called anti-Semites, one wonders...

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. Since when is a majority all?

[shira]

8. Nice country, that Israel. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. Well, shira, Israel has its George Bush at the helm of state; along with all the other RW bigots

that he could invite to join him.

If they sink Israel internationally then they only have themselves to blame.


But as a loyal Democrat you are fully behind our POTUS on this agreement, right?

[SolutionisSolidarity]

31. It's worse than that. They love their version of George Bush.

We at least had the decency to hate ours after a few years in office. I remember when we all had our hopes up that they were going to throw Bibi out, but in my heart I knew better. Israel is Bibi now.

[shira]

5. Sunni states oppose the deal. If they don't carry out attacks themselves....

....they'll race to the bomb in order to defend their interests against Iran. Even if the deal goes through Congress, Israel accepts, and doesn't decide to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities.

It will be nuclear proliferation on steroids. Don't say you didn't see it coming either.

Will Israel be blamed for that? Of course they will. Same shit, different millenium.

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6. Which Sunni states are trying to interfere with

a vote in the US Congress?

This deal makes Iran a lot less likely to develop a nuke. No serious person us disputing that.

[shira]

9. Sunni states are scared shitless. They don't trust Iran's Shiite leadership....

Have you read the news the past several decades? They don't get along very well. Iran with a nuke, even in 15 years, is a threat much bigger than Sadaam Hussein taking Kuwait. He'd have it and still be in power today if Israel didn't take his nuke program out in 1981. Imagine Syria today if Assad had nukes that Israel didn't destroy back in 2007. Hell, Iran could very possibly have Syria's nukes today.

Scary thought.

Sunni states aren't stupid. They know what Iran is capable of with nukes & they can't allow themselves to be vulnerable to that threat.

This deal is supposed to prevent nuclear proliferation. It's doing just the opposite.

Consider how Imperialist Iran is pulling the strings in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Yemen. With nukes, it's 100x worse. Not happening without counter-moves.

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10. I see a lot of brain dead Neocon, pro-war

talking points from you.

Nothing explaining how walking away from diplomacy will prevent Iran from developing the bomb.

Do you support a war with Iran over this?

[shira]

11. Except for the fact there are Democrats against it, and most Israeli Liberals too....

Nice try.

I don't support a war with Iran. Israel didn't declare war on Iraq in '81 or Syria in '07. What makes you think this will be different? To use your words, I see a lot of brain dead fear-mongering talking points from you.

Nothing explaining how walking away from diplomacy will prevent Iran from developing the bomb.

It won't. But neither do we have to give away the store to Iran w/o them doing anything substantial in return. We don't have to all but guarantee they'll have the bomb within 10-15 years. They're still calling for war against America and Israel. My people have learned to take these threats from crazed fascists seriously over the past few millenia. Iran will cheat & we know it. They haven't even agreed to anytime/anywhere inspections.

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13. You need to read something besides bombiranrightnow.com

It is apparent you know absolutely nothing about the Iran deal other than what Netanyahu tells you to think.

You claim that Iran is not doing anything substantial.

That is a flat-out lie.

Iran's enriched uranium stockpile will be reduced by over 90%.

It's shutting down the reactor core at Arak.

It is turning Fordo into a research facility.

There will be vigorous inspections of not only the main sites but all points along the supply chain.

You want Israel to bomb Iran.

Nothing is stopping Israel from doing that now. But they need to do it without dragging us into their goddamn war.

[shira]

15. Where has Iran agreed to anytime/anywhere inspections?

They haven't.

So they can cheat their asses off, especially at unknown nuke sites. The deal doesn't account for Iran opening a nuke shop somewhere else.

Iran has also threatened to walk from the deal if sanctions are snapped back, which gives the West every incentive not to catch them cheating, unless it's a ridiculously gross violation. Anything less, we see, speak, and hear no evil. Nice.

Also, the Vienna deal recognizes over and over Iran's right to develop advanced centrifuges, better than the archaic WW2 era ones they have now. This will be enabled by the West, which will help them achieve this by 2025 or sooner. All but ensuring Iran gets nukes.

What's there for Iran not to love?

The deal could've been much, much better. Remember, the administration has repeatedly said no deal is preferable to a bad deal. Do you at least agree with that?

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18. Oy. nt

[shira]

12. I'm for a negotiated deal with Iran, BTW. You think the deal is as good....

....as it could possibly be?

I think it could've been a lot better considering Iran blinked first & begged for these negotiations.

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14. It's this deal or nothing.

Maybe you should apply for John Kerry's job.

[shira]

16. I'll ask again. Do you think this deal could've been significantly better? n/t

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17. No. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

24. It sounds as if you are not behind President Obama on this.

#t=34

IMHO, you sound more like one of our President's critics and not a supporter. Curious.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. Oh, no. It's something a little more esoteric. You wouldn't understand.

[shira]

33. Apparently. Unless I agree with Obama 100% on everything, my loyalty....

....to the USA is in question.

Them, not so much.

[blm]

30. Hans Blix and other experts say the deal is far-reaching, and more comprehensive

than anyone expected. The desperate tone from Bibi and BibizBoyz in Congress are BECAUSE they know they couldn't have gotten a better deal because none of them know anything about diplomacy, and nothing more than bluster and bombings…..just like Bush and Cheney.

IMO, anyone not on board with this deal is FOR a greater harm to Israel.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. I believe, IMHO, that is what the hasbara neocon / xtian / xion cheerleaders want: a US-Iranian war.

How will they keep their end times hatred alive without a new enemy?

[Harry_Scrote]

28. Iran nukes

Israel has many nukes!

[shira]

34. Sunni states aren't scared of Israeli nukes. They fear Iran's nukes. Why? n/t

[Little Tich]

19. Kerry speaks the truth. n/t

[BillZBubb]

26. The world will condemn the US (justifiably) as puppets of Israel.

Most of the enmity from the failure will fall where it belongs, on the US. Everyone already knows Israel's position, so no additional fallout happens to them.