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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:15 AM Apr 2013

Fukushima is Heating Pacific Ocean

The melted reactors of Fukushima have been leaking hot water into the ocean and satellites can see the added heat.

Here is link to surface anomaly. Hot link won't show, so copy and paste this link.
weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif
See the yellow blob off the coast of Japan? A few days ago it was red.

There are three uncontrolled reactor cores that have melted from overheating. That as never happened before.

And one of them had a good bit of plutonium. So we are dealing with unknowns.

What is surmised is that these melted blobs of nuclear reactor cores have burned down into the ground next to the Pacific ocean. Ground water there moves into the ocean at a slow pace.

This nuclear heated water is now surface water. It may only be a few dozen meters in depth. The fact that it contains many radioactive compounds could be keeping it from mixing with the unpolluted colder seawater, besides the fact that radiation still produces constant heat.

What we have here are uncontrolled reactors, and the science shows excess heat is being produced and that heat is affecting the temperatures in the nearby Pacific ocean.

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Fukushima is Heating Pacific Ocean (Original Post) RobertEarl Apr 2013 OP
Here is the image... Agschmid Apr 2013 #1
Just wonderful. Not surprising. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #37
yikes and YIKES FirstLight Apr 2013 #2
Wow, this takes the cake for crazy NickB79 Apr 2013 #3
Constantly RobertEarl Apr 2013 #4
Ok, so riddle me this: Why is there a similar yellow blob just off the coast of Iceland? Electric Monk Apr 2013 #5
Volcano? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #6
Yes, Iceland is a volcanic island, as is Japan. Electric Monk Apr 2013 #7
This is complete nonsense. Those cores are radiating WASTE HEAT. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #48
You started out right RobertEarl Apr 2013 #49
Bullshit. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #51
Exactly. Some people will literally fall for anything. FBaggins Apr 2013 #10
Whoa, check this out... wtmusic Apr 2013 #8
Awww ... Nihil Apr 2013 #11
Interesting picture RobertEarl Apr 2013 #13
WT... RobertEarl Apr 2013 #54
And unless the plant moved north to Aomori Prefecture, then turned right into the Pacific . . . hatrack Apr 2013 #56
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #9
Oh... you're brought your own fantasies to the party? FBaggins Apr 2013 #12
You are amazing. RobertEarl Apr 2013 #14
How did I just know that you were going to go there? FBaggins Apr 2013 #18
Wow. RobertEarl Apr 2013 #21
Still dodging. FBaggins Apr 2013 #23
you know I'm anti-nuke, but you have to show a link between the data and stated cause CreekDog Apr 2013 #15
Where are the cores? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #16
your posts drive me crazy CreekDog Apr 2013 #17
It's indistinguishable from trolling. FBaggins Apr 2013 #20
yeah, but I think if you found bad news related to a nuclear facility --you would never post it CreekDog Apr 2013 #24
Then you haven't been paying attention. FBaggins Apr 2013 #25
Do yourself a favor and quit reading that madokie Apr 2013 #26
ok, but quit reading what? CreekDog Apr 2013 #27
So now you're saying... FBaggins Apr 2013 #19
And how about that top secret N.Korea/China freeze ray??? FBaggins Apr 2013 #22
Good Lord, that's not true Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #28
Huh? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #29
The world's biggest water heater is the sun, genius CreekDog Apr 2013 #44
????????? Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #52
Thats not nice.. RobertEarl Apr 2013 #53
Looks like somebody forgot to take his CTP this morning GliderGuider Apr 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author RobertEarl Apr 2013 #31
You should listen to yourself RobertEarl Apr 2013 #32
What? Ran out of woo woo juice already? FBaggins Apr 2013 #33
Hahaha RobertEarl Apr 2013 #34
You're missing the fact... FBaggins Apr 2013 #35
Sure? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #36
Don't know about him but I'm sure of something ... Nihil Apr 2013 #38
I love you too, dude. RobertEarl Apr 2013 #39
More than just trolling kristopher Apr 2013 #40
Possible. Nihil Apr 2013 #41
I have the same take on this that Kris does FBaggins Apr 2013 #45
You can add my name to that list XemaSab Apr 2013 #47
ah, does this qualify? CreekDog Apr 2013 #42
Please see my #45. What do you think? FBaggins Apr 2013 #46
I'm the lowest ranked host, I think I only have permission to annoy him CreekDog Apr 2013 #50
take a look CreekDog Apr 2013 #43
This is absolutely untrue. mick063 Apr 2013 #55
"Please proceed, RobertEarl..." nt GliderGuider Apr 2013 #57
Thanks RobertEarl Apr 2013 #58
Whoosh. nt GliderGuider Apr 2013 #59
No whoosh RobertEarl Apr 2013 #60
you're being an oaf CreekDog Apr 2013 #61
You're too kind ..... oldhippie Apr 2013 #63
Should i care? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #65
Debate? oldhippie Apr 2013 #66
You have no debate? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #67
I'm not "attacking the satellite science" GliderGuider Apr 2013 #62
Stoop to name calling RobertEarl Apr 2013 #64
And now it's COOLING it!!! FBaggins May 2013 #68
Hmmm ... Nihil May 2013 #69

FirstLight

(13,352 posts)
2. yikes and YIKES
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:36 AM
Apr 2013

Okay...this is even weirder...it's like the heat is being released at different times, I wonder if they coincide with the news stories of the past year?

check this site, and look at the movement animation for the past year...
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/teleconnections/enso/indicators/sea-temp-anom.php

scary shit indeed

NickB79

(19,109 posts)
3. Wow, this takes the cake for crazy
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:39 AM
Apr 2013

Those blobs you attribute to waste heat from a runaway nuclear reaction (with no evidence whatsoever to support that contention) would amount to literally thousands of cubic kilometers of water when you consider the depth of the ocean there.

There is no way the melted cores of Fukushima could put out this much energy in such a way; it is physically impossible. The cores would have to be running at thousands of degrees C constantly; you'd see the steam plumes from miles.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. Constantly
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:52 AM
Apr 2013

You got it. These cores are constantly creating heated water.

It is out of control. The nuclear material is generating heat. That's what nuclear power plants do: Heat water.

The yellow that we see surrounded by normal temperature water is just surface water, like I said in the OP. It may be at most a few meters in depth. The science depicted in the picture is this: Sea SURFACE Temperature Anomalies. SURFACE. Not down deep. Surface.

The cores are underground now and there have been signs of steam releases in a similar fashion as that of "Old Faithful". A burp here and a burp there.

But what the cores have done is heated a massive amount of water up just a few degrees - say 20 - and now that water is seeping into the ocean and the satellites are seeing the extra heat.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. Volcano?
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 01:24 AM
Apr 2013

A few days ago the map showed a fairly red blob off of Japan and I suspect we will see that again. As for Iceland that slight yellow green may be from a volcano. Or gulf stream. Note how the gulf stream is running up now along the coast of Russia?

You do understand the term anomaly, right?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
48. This is complete nonsense. Those cores are radiating WASTE HEAT.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 02:02 PM
Apr 2013

They didn't generate that much heat when they were running at full power, fully critical.

This is utter hogwash nonsense.

Nor have the cores bored through the containment. This is completely invented FUD.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
49. You started out right
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 02:18 PM
Apr 2013

What you wrote is complete nonsense.

You don't even know where the 3 cores are. No one does, but the best idea is that the cores burned through all containment and are now burning into the earth below the reactors.

The waste heat is what is flowing through the spent fuel pools. And they have run out of room to hold all that water. They dug huge pools in the ground and filled those and those pools are also leaking into the ground.

Meanwhile back at the reactors they are pumping water into what is left and it is disappearing. Well, guess what? That water is going into the ground! The pre-explosion/meltdown operations had quite the heat exchange and water cooling system. Very expensive setup needing lots of pumps and piping. All that is now trashed and the areas around the cores they can't even approach. Even the robots they send in burn up.

So basically what you wrote is what you wrote: utter hogwash.

You are scared and you have every reason to be. Not even God can stop it now. Well, maybe he could, but its obvious he doesn't want to or he would, right? Bwahhahahahaha

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
51. Bullshit.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 03:20 PM
Apr 2013

They generate MORE waste heat when critical, than when non-critical and producing just heat from decay.

You have no evidence the cores have escaped the containment housing, nor that the cores are critical.

You have just as much evidence that the cores have escaped, as you do for the existence of the god you appeal to there in the last paragraph.

(The robots aren't burning up from HEAT, they are being damaged by the hard radiation itself.)

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
10. Exactly. Some people will literally fall for anything.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:00 AM
Apr 2013

You have to remember that the sites where this type of nonsense originates are the home of the TFB (Tinfoil Hat Brigade). Government mind control rays, UFOs everywhere, the Jews used a secret new type of nuclear weapon off of Japan to create the earthquake in the first place. You name it.

I just went six rounds with someone else on this nonsense... and the OPer clearly saw it (because he posted there before he posted this).

To summarize:

I did a simple calculation. All openly available conversions and definitions of terms... and the simplest arithmetic. It would take about 65 years for three operating Fukushima cores to produce enough heat to warm up even a tiny fraction of the water that's involved. There isn't enough heat being produced by many orders of magnitude for this to be the source of the anomaly.

I pointed out (as RobertEarl does here) that "Heating water up" is what reactors do. There are lots of operating reactors that dump 2/3 of their heat right into the ocean all the time. Where are all of those plumes?

I explained what the actual cause of the anomaly was and showed prior years of the same data showing the effect.

Based on those prior years' data, I predicted that if he could look closer than the scale of this animation, he would see that the "plume" does not originate at Fukushima, but miles off the coast. This is because the collision of the Kuroshio/Oyashio currents tend to leave back eddies closer to the shore.

Then I showed images like the one below proving that prediction true. The water directly off Fukushima is actually cooler than the rest.



Do you think any of this made the slightest bit of difference? Of course not... because the woo woo is strong with them.

An embarrassment to anti-nukes everywhere (and DUers in general).

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
8. Whoa, check this out...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:25 AM
Apr 2013

Two years before the accident!



And another nuclear meltdown in Bora Bora...and off the coast of Chile!

We are dealing with like, so many unknowns here!!!

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
11. Awww ...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:01 AM
Apr 2013

... there's always some spoilsport to introduce facts to a science-free rant and upset people
before they *really* get going ...


 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
13. Interesting picture
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:05 AM
Apr 2013

Notice there are many, many 3mol degree anomalies from 2 years ago. The picture the OP relates to has Fukushima as the singular high.
WT's is probably not even from the same satellite, and not of the same graphic quality as in the OP.

But it is interesting. More science to look at. It will be interesting to look at these pictures, as time goes by. We are treading in an ever more plutonium filled radioactive atmosphere. No telling what will be the effect.

An atmosphere that until a few years ago, the non-science types were claiming man could not alter. Well, they proved themselves to be flaming idiots, did they not?

Too infer that man's 'greatest water boiling apparatus ever made' could not heat a large amount of water is pretty much just a different page from the same flaming anti-warming idiots' bible.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
54. WT...
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:19 PM
Apr 2013

As you can see in your pic there is quite the body of warm anomalies around Japan. Not cooler, but warmer. So, at that time, in the middle of all that warm anomaly is Japan.

In the most recent anomaly from your source map you will see that the waters around Japan are now anomalously cooler and there is a Fuku hot spot. So, after all your bullshit, you have proven to have stunk the place up and that's about all you have done.

Below is a map from your source. Now look close at all that COOLER anomaly around Japan and you will see the Fuku HOT spot.

<img src="" border="0">

hatrack

(59,436 posts)
56. And unless the plant moved north to Aomori Prefecture, then turned right into the Pacific . . .
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:27 AM
Apr 2013

. . . then migrated back south to its nesting place . . . Gad, the fiendish cunning!

Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
12. Oh... you're brought your own fantasies to the party?
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:02 AM
Apr 2013

Let's look at what you added.

This nuclear heated water is now surface water. It may only be a few dozen meters in depth. The fact that it contains many radioactive compounds could be keeping it from mixing with the unpolluted colder seawater

No science has ever shown that radioactive elements keep water from mixing with other water. Which of course is ridiculous.

besides the fact that radiation still produces constant heat.

Let's look at just Cesium 137. The activity level of CS137 is a bit over 3 TBq/gram (look it up for yourself). That's 3 quadrillion Bq/kg. The estimated release to the ocean (of just CS137) was 3.6×1015 Bq. So even if that estimate is way off, we're talking about low-single-digits of kilograms. Take even the wildly inaccurate "four Chernobyls!!!" misreading of several months back and assume that it was actually true (and all ended up in the ocean)... and you're still talking just a few pounds of the stuff.

And you think that a few pounds of something (even if were constantly white hot) could heat up that much water by that amount? It could be antimatter and it wouldn't do that.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
14. You are amazing.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:19 AM
Apr 2013

As a proponent of 'man's greatest water heating apparatus ever made', you now suggest that an out of control water boiling energy source can't heat water? Amazing.

Here is something you may consider... the Fukushima heated water is fresh water. Chemically, it resists mixing with salt water and so it floats on the top of salt water until it is mixed by wind and wave.

What we now have is massive amounts of radioactive fresh water flowing into the ocean. This is a new experience and the first time an occurrence of this magnitude has, well, occurred. So far the science is seeing these changes.

You may not like what you see, but it is significant change.

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
18. How did I just know that you were going to go there?
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:44 AM
Apr 2013

If I tell you that blowing really hard (which coincidentally is what you're doing with all that hot air) cannot can't change the prevailing wind direction... you'll come right back and say "you are now suggesting that expelling air from my lungs doesn't actually move air? Amazing" - and you won't even see how foolish you look. I tell you that your single-serving coffee machine won't do much to warm up an olympic swimming pool...and you come back with "now you're telling me that my coffee isn't hot!"

No... I'm not saying that a reactor can't warm up water. I'm saying that they produce a quantifiable amount of heat and that number is dwarfed by the number necessary to raise tens of thousands of square miles of ocean by a few degrees... even if you pretend that it's just the top few inches of water by some miracle.

There is a nuclear reaction driving all of this... but that's way over your head.

Here is something you may consider... the Fukushima heated water is fresh water. Chemically, it resists mixing with salt water and so it floats on the top of salt water until it is mixed by wind and wave.

Wow... so all those rivers that flow into the sea end up with fresh water just on top for hundreds and hundreds of miles? Goodness! And when the fresh water is released from below the surface (as this necessarily would be)... it floats to the top?

What we now have is massive amounts of radioactive fresh water flowing into the ocean.

Don't forget to add that it's magical radioactive fresh water. Because it isn't being caught by all of those radiation sensors they've been running offshore for over two years now.

You forget that ocean water is already radioactive naturally. At one point the Japanese were actually talking about mining uranium from the ocean since they have so little of it of their own. "This is a new experience" is not an excuse to just make up the science as you go along and pretend that it's valid.

Let's try this one more time. Operating reactors (as well as coal-fired plants) waste roughly 2/3rds of their heat. Hundreds of them demo that heat right into rivers/lakes/oceans. Why are we not seeing those plumes literally all over the planet? A plant on a small river can raise the temperature of that river slightly (which is why France sometimes shuts some down in really hot weather)... but the currents running offshore those reactors are comparable in volume to the Gulf Stream. Dozens of times as much water flowing as every river on the planet combined. You're spitting in the wind.

Congratulations on your continued efforts to make anti-nukes look like fools. You couldn't do a better job if someone was actually paying your to do it.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
21. Wow.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:56 AM
Apr 2013

You have an aversion to science, don't you?

You remind me off people 20 years ago who made the claim that man can't change the atmosphere: "It's too big"

We have 3 giant water heaters that are burning out of control and you sit there and say they quit heating water?

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
23. Still dodging.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:00 AM
Apr 2013

There are hundreds of water heaters putting out much more heat. Why can't you point to those plumes???

Come on... dazzle me with the "science" (sic).

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
15. you know I'm anti-nuke, but you have to show a link between the data and stated cause
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:22 AM
Apr 2013

what an embarrassment.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
16. Where are the cores?
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:35 AM
Apr 2013

As far as we know, the cores have melted into the earth under the reactors.

The earth has been heated by these cores and the groundwater therein has been heated. Now that water is seeping into the ocean. Surely no one else is going to claim that the greatest water heater ever made has quit heating water, are they?

What is evident is there is an out of control water heater, burning for two years now next to the ocean and the satellite picture points out a hot spot right there.

I guess when you say "what an embarrassment" you are claiming you are embarrassed that you can't see the link?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
17. your posts drive me crazy
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:42 AM
Apr 2013

and I've said from the beginning, that I thought you posted some odd and anti-environmental things about the Klamath, from your start at DU.

in your quest to blame decades-old problems in the Klamath region on Fukushima, when they are actually caused by lack of water, was so bad and so anti-environmental ("the birds can just fly somewhere else&quot that I think it was trolling.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=593805

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
20. It's indistinguishable from trolling.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:49 AM
Apr 2013

There are really people who believe such nonsense... and then there are trolls who go to the UFO sites to incite this insane behavior.

I can't think of a good way to tell them apart.

And I wouldn't mind - since it makes the more rational anti-nukes look foolish... except that it makes DUers look foolish too.

Which is why this nonsense belongs in the woo woo dungeon. But then I would be accused of trying to ban contrary opinions at the behest of the nuclear industry.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
24. yeah, but I think if you found bad news related to a nuclear facility --you would never post it
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:16 AM
Apr 2013

honestly, i don't find your posts any better than the one I'm criticizing.

i mean, you're linking to a blog about the misunderstood woes of the nuclear industry --who has a sad because they get criticized!

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
25. Then you haven't been paying attention.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:24 AM
Apr 2013

I have frequently posted bad news related to nuclear facilities. I posted several of the original Fukushima threads.

i mean, you're linking to a blog about the misunderstood woes of the nuclear industry --who has a sad because they get criticized!

???

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
19. So now you're saying...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:46 AM
Apr 2013

...that the water just collected there undground for two years and then squirted out all at once... and then stopped. Right?

Because (as shown earlier), the water right next to Fukushima is colder then the hot spot farther out to sea.

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
22. And how about that top secret N.Korea/China freeze ray???
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:58 AM
Apr 2013

They obviously have some new weapon as they are rapidly cooling the coastline on either side of the peninsula.

If only we can convince them to use it to fight global warming!

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
28. Good Lord, that's not true
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:06 PM
Apr 2013

If you look at the current picture, you see that there is a similar degree of "heating" around the tip of South America, and that just offshore of China there is much more of an anomaly. Usually these things have a lot to do with ocean currents.

There is literally no evidence for that contention. None. There is plenty of evidence against it - for example, temp and radioactivity readings within the reactors, etc.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
29. Huh?
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:11 PM
Apr 2013

What you talking 'bout, willis? Evidence against what?

You do know man's biggest water heater is now leaking right there on the ocean, right? There's evidence for ya. Just because it scares you doesn't mean you should ignore it.

Wait, are you a pro-nuker?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
52. ?????????
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 05:48 PM
Apr 2013
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/teleconnections/enso/indicators/sea-temp-anom.php?begmonth=1&begday=1&begyear=2012&endmonth=4&endday=17&endyear=2013&submitted=Animate+Selection

If you look at that, it's evident that the molten cores had already bored way out to the Pacific last year, and then turned and headed back to their home.

I guess Godzilla is carrying them. He gets around a lot too - by February he had made down to South America, but then he came roaring back to the coast of Japan in one of the greatest migrations of a mythical nuclear sea monster ever detected.


Here, I caught him on the way back:


If the above sequence doesn't convey that you have a hole in your theory, I either suggest watching a bunch of Godzilla movies or seeking mental health treatment.
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
53. Thats not nice..
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:08 PM
Apr 2013

You claim I should seek mental health treatment? WTF? Who are you to be saying such crap? Geeez.

Now look at your pics closely... you will see the hot anomaly off of Japan is pretty well circled by cooler anomalies. Off Japan most of the water is cooler than usual.

But right there in the center of all that cool is a Fuku hot spot.

You can apologize now.

And, why do you people use a different source for the anomalies as in the OP? Even tho your source does confirm how anomalous FUKU is it seems rather odd that you do not use the Unysis source. Which, if you go check just makes my idea even stronger.

Here ya go, check this out. Unysis sourcing from your same dates.


Feb 20 2013 Unysis
<img src="" border="0">

Feb 6 2013 Unysis
<img src="" border="0">

April 7 2013 Unysis This one has a red blob like I sauid from last week. See any other red blobs on the oceans?
<img src="" border="0">

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
30. Looks like somebody forgot to take his CTP this morning
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:43 PM
Apr 2013

That would be "Critical Thinking Pill".

Boys and girls, don't end up like this poor wretch. Always remember your CTP. Just take one in the morning, and you won't have to worry about looking like an idiot for the rest of the day.

Response to GliderGuider (Reply #30)

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
32. You should listen to yourself
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:12 PM
Apr 2013

Man's biggest water heaters, 3 of them in fact, have melted down and are out of control and some people think that it is all over? That they are not still burning? What would possess someone to not even think, much less post here showing that they are NOT thinking?

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
33. What? Ran out of woo woo juice already?
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:35 PM
Apr 2013

You're stuck on that reply regardless of the question that comes in?

You don't think it hurts your position to be so clearly unable to respond to apparent weaknesses in your argument?

For the record, no... these were not "man's biggest water heaters". In fact they weren't close. Way back when they were fissioning, they were 1/2-1/3 the size of the larger units... and there are coal units that put out much more heat (up to five times as much as unit #1). Of course these only put out a tiny fraction of what they did when they were active. They wouldn't make the list of the top 1,000 water heaters right now - or come close.

But let's play the crazy game. You think that the cores are still molten and have worked their way into the earth. Weren't you telling us that when the corium hit the water table it would be "game over"? There would be massive explosions!

And now you're telling us that it just sits there and periodically warms up some water?

Seriously?

Oh... and let's not forget that you keep dodging the most obvious question. Why aren't the other "biggest water heaters" having he same effect when they dump far more water at far higher temperatures?

I mean... for goodness sake. It's fine to believe that babies come from cabbage patches... but after you've been taken to a dozen live births... one would think that the first glimmerings of a clue would get through.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
34. Hahaha
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:41 PM
Apr 2013

Your glorious nukes are spewing their guts all over the Pacific and all you can do is post dumb replies here? Sad. You actually sometimes came across as being smart. But you are just like Fukushima anymore.

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
35. You're missing the fact...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:47 PM
Apr 2013

...that a number of the strongest anti-nuke proponents on the board think that you're nuts.

You can't blame the medicine you've been given today on someone liking nuclear power.

And you don't have a shot at convincing anyone that you have the first clue re: what you're talking about. You can't defend any of your positons... only repeat them.

It's what the catholics call "invincibly ignorant"

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
36. Sure?
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:57 PM
Apr 2013

Only over 20 recs already. And every pro nuker has made themselves look pretty pretty small

It really is quite hilarious to see the pro-nuke-water-heater gang sit there and claim that their water heaters don't heat water. Or that they do, but like the climate deniers used to say: "The world is too big for man to have any impact".

I grok it that the pro-nukers are pretty much hanging their heads in shame, what with Fukushima proving them to be supporting a failed industry. But to come here and spew their guts out is really sad to see.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
38. Don't know about him but I'm sure of something ...
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 07:16 AM
Apr 2013

Your behaviour on this thread - right from the off - is pure trolling: posting complete rubbish
then repeating non-sequiturs when people try to correct your stupidity.


(BTW, I rec'd this thread as a classic example of a science-free & fact-free RobertEarl
masterpiece of ignorance ... almost comparable to the "Atomic Bomb explosions at Fukushima"
one which amused everyone who had any education ...)

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
40. More than just trolling
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 12:24 PM
Apr 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)#Strawman_sockpuppet

Strawman sockpuppet

A strawman sockpuppet is a false flag pseudonym created to make a particular point of view look foolish or unwholesome in order to generate negative sentiment against it. Strawman sockpuppets typically behave in an unintelligent, uninformed, or bigoted manner and advance "straw man" arguments that their puppeteers can easily refute. The intended effect is to discredit more rational arguments made for the same position.[39] Such sockpuppets behave in a similar manner to internet trolls.
 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
41. Possible.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:06 PM
Apr 2013

If you think that's the case then alert to get the admins on him (they have a number
of tools available to prove/disprove it and take the appropriate action).

> The intended effect is to discredit more rational arguments made for the same position.

Whether that is the intended effect (i.e., as a straw sock) or just the unintentional result
(i.e., of an ignorant troll), it would make sense to resolve this for all of our sakes.


FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
45. I have the same take on this that Kris does
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:41 PM
Apr 2013

And you've just got to know that anything Fbaggins/GG/Kristopher/Creekdog/Madokie agree on has to be right.

I'm not sure that the admins are necessary. We can ask the hosts (I believe Creekdog is one) to lock the thread and ban the individual from the group.

Similar threads belong in Creative Speculation and could be alerted on if found in GD/etc.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
42. ah, does this qualify?
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:36 PM
Apr 2013

have you thanked your white male today?



RobertEarl (2,748 posts)
52. My opinion

Since our society is making progress and slowly dropping the wall of privilege, or glass ceiling, the society as a whole will improve. Be better.

But it is what it is and we can thank the wm, as a whole, for producing the easy life we now enjoy. The US and Europe have it very, very good historically, and imo, it has to do with the affirmative action the wm embraced and made good with.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2139421


RobertEarl (2,748 posts)
23. Yeah, and it is time to do this

Last edited Sat Jan 5, 2013, 07:05 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Everyone needs to come to grips with the fact that the privileged white male has been very, very good for this society. That thru that privilege our human society have great things upon which our easy lives' rest. Our unions and our work ethic have resulted in all of us living like only the few kings and queens did 100 years ago.

I am a wm and I'm proud and privileged.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2139120


If birds congregate, problems can arise...

RobertEarl (2,748 posts)
4. Klamath river?

There's water in them there rivers.

Birds can fly and find water. Sure, if they congregate problems can arise. But birds are smart enough to flap their wings and find the habitat they need. Of course they can't tell if the radiation is there or anywhere. Neither can humans. But we have Geiger counters.

And the counters have found radiation all up and down the coast. And radiation levels are always highest where water has settled. Like it does in marshes. Don't close your mind off to the possibilities is all I am saying.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=593805




FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
46. Please see my #45. What do you think?
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:44 PM
Apr 2013

This appears to me to have moved beyond any possibility to mere ignorance to a willfull attempt to make anti-nukes look stupid. It isn't honest debate.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
55. This is absolutely untrue.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 01:35 AM
Apr 2013

That is a vast amount of water to raise in temperature in such a short period of time. Such technology is planetary engineering on a scale that would have us colonizing the gas planet moons in the near future. Simply beyond our grasp.


Read this and I'll consider you well versed to discuss Fukishima.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
60. No whoosh
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 05:53 PM
Apr 2013

I knew you were being snide. I know you used to favor nukes so you being against me here is no surprise. I just find it odd that someone as educated and refined as you put on, would stoop with the stoopers here attacking the satellite science.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
63. You're too kind .....
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:34 PM
Apr 2013

I would have other terms, but probably couldn't get away with them like you can.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
65. Should i care?
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:18 PM
Apr 2013

No. Just because debate losers lose and resort to childish name calling instead of ever trying to have a discussion does not mean I should care. But yet here you two are making yourselves look like little kids on the play ground.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
67. You have no debate?
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 10:17 PM
Apr 2013

Just little rolling men that look like you?

Do you have any idea how much cesium and strontium were released into the ocean after the plants blew up? You do remember that they pumped seawater in to the cores to cool them? Where did that water go?

The world's worst accident and all you respond is with rolling laugh figures?

Some engineer you were, eh?

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
62. I'm not "attacking the satellite science"
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:28 PM
Apr 2013

I'm calling you an idiot.

I don't usually get personal, in fact I don't know if I've ever been so blunt here on DU. But your behavior on this thread has been appalling.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
64. Stoop to name calling
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:59 PM
Apr 2013

How low can you go?

There are 26 recs here and all you have done is call names. I used to respect you.

People used to say man did not have to power to change the climate. The replies here, yours included are the same bullshit.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
69. Hmmm ...
Fri May 3, 2013, 05:08 AM
May 2013

It's all of that tricksy evil artificial radiation that is trying to confuse the
honest God-fearing morons around the world into doubting their faith ...

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