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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:21 PM Jul 2012

soot

It had me thinking. As long as you are getting regular snow cover, the effects of accumulating soot stay small(er). But if you stop getting the snow, it just gets blacker and blacker, as decades of soot get exposed. Like a dirty snowbank in the spring thaw.

One of the photos we don’t often get to see was also circulated in the email, by somebody who lives in Greenland and knows what this is really all about.

It’s a real eye opener:



The black stuff on the bottom of the lakes is carbon dust and pollution in general… but not from one year, but several decades (the topographical conditions don’t change from year to year). On a flight over the Ice Cap a sky clear day, you can see hundreds of huge lakes with the black spot on the bottom.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/03/greenland-ground-zero-for-global-soot-warming/

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soot (Original Post) phantom power Jul 2012 OP
Fascinating. Thanks n/t n2doc Jul 2012 #1
Another positive feedback loop with negative consequences. tclambert Jul 2012 #2
It is important to know the sources as well, some you just can't do anything about. 2on2u Aug 2012 #3
A note about sources caraher Aug 2012 #4

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
2. Another positive feedback loop with negative consequences.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:22 PM
Jul 2012

I hadn't thought of this, but of course the soot that has collected in ice in Greenland and Antarctica since the beginning of the industrial revolution will have soot embedded in it. When that ice melts, the soot won't. it will just collect in the melt water.

 

2on2u

(1,843 posts)
3. It is important to know the sources as well, some you just can't do anything about.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:14 AM
Aug 2012
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/glacier-debris.html

Meet Kimberly Casey: Studying How Debris Influences Glaciers
04.02.12

Kimberly Casey is a glaciologist who spends a fair amount of time in the office analyzing satellite data. But when she talks about her fieldwork on remote glaciers, one suspects she could do pretty well in a triathlon, too. Casey has carried 70-pound backpacks up mountain crossings in the Himalayas and waded ice-cold streams in the European Alps to collect samples and take measurements for her research on glacier debris pollution.

During her Ph.D. research, Casey studied six glacier sites around the world; from volcanically influenced glaciers in Iceland and New Zealand to dust-influenced glaciers in Nepal and Switzerland to bare-ice and soot-influenced glaciers in Norway. --> During her Ph.D. research, Casey studied six glacier sites around the world; from volcanically influenced ice fields in Iceland and New Zealand to bare-ice and soot-polluted glaciers in Norway.

Q&A With Kimberly Casey

Q. Why do you study particulate pollution on glaciers?

A. Dust, volcanic ash, and soot particles are deposited on glaciers worldwide. The color of particulates on a glacier surface determines the amount of solar energy absorbed, which affects how much a glacier melts. Volcanic ash can be grey or black, while dust tends to be brown or red-brown. The thickness of the dust and debris on a glacier affects its melt rate, too. Because glaciers are a key water resource in many parts of the world, it is important to understand how melt rates may be changing over time. Glaciers are also of key importance to understanding global climate: the amount of ice cover on Earth affects how solar radiation is absorbed and reflected from Earth's surface.


Q. What kinds of debris are most frequently found on glaciers?

A. Dust is very common, as well as soot. Volcanic ash, or tephra, is dependent on the glacier's geographic location relative to the volcano and the eruption frequency. Dust comes from Earth's large deserts, like the Sahara. It also comes from local geology. Soot can come from forest fires, from combustion of oil (for example, from our cars) and coal mines.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
4. A note about sources
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:39 AM
Aug 2012

In case anyone is not familiar with the site, the "WattsUpWithThat" blog is run by Anthony Watts, who spins this story as part of his overall skepticism about whether carbon dioxide plays a role at all in climate change and proposer of the well-disproven speculation that the warming trend in the temperature record is, at least in part, an artifact of inadequacies at the sites of terrestrial weather stations. I would take his commentary with more than a few grains of salt...

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