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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:37 PM Nov 2019

The Next American Car Recession Has Already Started

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-13/the-next-american-car-recession-has-already-started
"These should be boom times for Detroit. Unemployment is at a half-century low, gasoline is cheap and auto sales in the U.S. were near record levels last year. Yet American automakers are closing factories, cutting shifts and laying off thousands of workers. The industry is behaving like a recession has arrived.
In one segment of the market, it has."

"Detroit is in the grips of a car recession marked by the collapse of demand for traditional sedans, which accounted for half the market just six years ago. Buyers have made a mass exodus out of classic family cars and into sport utility vehicles. Familiar sedan models such as the Honda Accord and the Ford Fusion made up a record low 30 percent of U.S. sales in 2018"
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The Next American Car Recession Has Already Started (Original Post) CentralMass Nov 2019 OP
Too many cars are overpriced. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2019 #1
I agree completely. CentralMass Nov 2019 #2
"Unemployment is at a half-century low, gasoline is cheap" PSPS Nov 2019 #3
Sedans are not more expensive than SUV. MichMan Nov 2019 #8
JUST HEARD, Daimler's planning #### layoffs. elleng Nov 2019 #4
:-( CentralMass Nov 2019 #5
Daimler has one plant in Alabama. MichMan Nov 2019 #9
Mercedes-Benz owner Daimler to cut 10,000 jobs worldwide. elleng Nov 2019 #10
A nation of sales clerks and part timers can not afford overpriced gas guzzlers Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #6
The headline is deceiving and not only that it is nearly as year old MichMan Nov 2019 #7

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
1. Too many cars are overpriced.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:44 PM
Nov 2019

I see that the average cost of a new car is $37,000, and I cannot begin to understand how the average person can afford that. Even if the median household income is a bit more than $63,000, the average new car is nearly 60% of the median household's yearly income. Which seems to me to be way too much to pay. Although, if you keep that expensive new car for some ten years, then it's more affordable. Which does seem to be the case, since the average age of a car on the road is nearly 12 years.

So maybe a lot of people are doing the sensible thing and no matter what they pay for the car in the first place, they're keeping it a long time.

PSPS

(13,583 posts)
3. "Unemployment is at a half-century low, gasoline is cheap"
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:05 PM
Nov 2019

That alone tells shows this to be an unserious article. "Unemployment is at a half-century low" means nothing if wages are also at a half-century low. "Gasoline is cheap" compared to ... what?

One reason sedan sales are low is because they're priced higher than a typical SUV, which are cheaper to build due to their exemption from many safety and fuel economy requirements.

MichMan

(11,899 posts)
8. Sedans are not more expensive than SUV.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:08 PM
Nov 2019

If that was the case, overall transaction prices would be lower than in previous years, yet they are not.


Nor are SUV exempt from safety and fuel economy regulations as you claim

elleng

(130,820 posts)
10. Mercedes-Benz owner Daimler to cut 10,000 jobs worldwide.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:33 PM
Nov 2019

'Daimler personnel chief Wilfried Porth told journalists the number of jobs lost would be "in the five figures".

The move comes days after rival Audi said it would cut 9,500 of its 61,000 jobs in Germany for similar reasons.

Daimler said the car industry was going through "the biggest transformation in its history".

"The development towards CO2-neutral mobility requires large investments, which is why Daimler announced in the middle of November that it would launch a programme to increase competitiveness, innovation and investment strength," the firm said.

"Part of this programme is to reduce staff costs by around €1.4bn by the end of 2022 and, among other things, to reduce the number of management positions worldwide by 10%."'>>>

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50598673

Farmer-Rick

(10,150 posts)
6. A nation of sales clerks and part timers can not afford overpriced gas guzzlers
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:56 PM
Nov 2019

Before the free trade agreements and the war on workers by the GOP, the major profession was blue collar workers. Now it has been replaced by sales clerks. Do you think they pay the same?

And also the employment figures include part timers. The number of part timers has significantly increased but that is not reflected in the employment numbers. Part timers still count as an employed person.

No one is buying new cars cause the workers aren't making any money and the cars are way overpriced.

MichMan

(11,899 posts)
7. The headline is deceiving and not only that it is nearly as year old
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:06 PM
Nov 2019

The focus of the article is that "car" sales have dropped and have been replaced by SUV sales, not that overall vehicle sales have plummeted.

While it is likely that overall sales will slow in 2020, at this point the numbers are still pretty good. No one in the industry was expecting that the strong sales figures would have continued as long as they have.

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