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Related: About this forumAfter Maduro's "easy win" on May 20, a new Constitution to ban opposition parties in Venezuela
Venezuelas Maduro set to abolish voting rights and other freedoms, Colombian president saysBY ANDRÉS OPPENHEIMER
April 26, 2018 05:30 PM
Its hard to know what will happen next in Venezuela, but what Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos told me in an interview this week should raise alarm bells throughout the hemisphere.
Santos said during a visit to Miami that Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduros hand-picked Constituent Assembly is drafting a new constitution that would be made public after Venezuelas May 20 presidential elections. The new charter would officially turn Venezuela into a Cuban-style dictatorship, he said.
Maduro, already a de facto dictator, is running for re-election for another five-year term. He has prohibited top opposition leaders from running against him, banned international election observers and refused to allow an independent electoral tribunal.
The United States, European Union and all major Latin American countries including Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and Colombia have said that they wont accept the results of Maduros sham election.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article209925289.html
VMA131Marine
(4,159 posts)Maduro is running a kleptocracy and knows that, if he is ever removed from office, he will end up dead or in prison for life.
Mike Rows His Boat
(389 posts)I thought that posting RW shills posing as experts was frowned upon on DemU.
Jeezuz, hes been wrong about everything his entire career.
Zorro
(15,756 posts)If so, what?
Mike Rows His Boat
(389 posts)Its the usual horseshit from Oppenheimer, no disputing that.
Have a good afternoon.
GatoGordo
(2,412 posts)I'm pretty sure that the President of Colombia is privy to some information that you are not. And it doesn't sound very 3rd person when it comes directly from the President of Colombia's mouth.
Have you taken a cursory look at what is transpiring in Venezuela? People were warned about what would happen after the elections of 2015.
Below, some "speculations" that turned out to be no so speculatory...
The TSJ (Supreme Court) filled with Chavists and seated illegally? Confirmed.
The CNE (Election body) full of Chavists, seated by Maduro against the Constitution? Confirmed.
The 3 assembly members not being seated in the AN that gave it a supermajority? Confirmed.
TSJ nullifying every AN law passed as illegal? Confirmed.
CNE not allowing a recall of Maduro due to myriad "technical faults"? Confirmed.
The effective dissolution of the AN? Confirmed.
The Constitutional Assembly? Confirmed.
The rigging of elections with fake numbers? Confirmed many times over.
Bizarro new "laws" protecting Chavistas from "hate and intolerant speech"? Confirmed
The shuttering of media, with the exception of pro-Maduro mouthpieces? Confirmed
The pilfering of PdVSA by the military, in exchange for their support of Chavismo? Confirmed.
The buying of votes (not even TRYING to hide it!) with promises of free food for Chavistas? (the Carnet de la Patria) Confirmed.
The refusing of health care/immunizations to those who DON'T have the Carnet/Patria? Confirmed.
The firing of government employees who cannot prove they voted for Maduro/Chavismo? Confirmed.
The firing of government employees found at anti-Maduro gatherings? Confirmed
The list goes on ad nauseum. All these where "speculations"... and Maduro didn't let us down.
Exactly WHICH "speculation" are you suggesting that Maduro/Delcy/Diosdado/Vlad/Elias et alli won't try? Delcy and Diosdado have already made it clear that Chavismo will not EVER leave office, even if they have to resort to violence as a means of staying in power.
Please defend this disgrace. It is contrary to what Democrats hold dear.
Judi Lynn
(160,662 posts)and their fellow oligarchs in South Florida, including previous dirtbags like right-wing puppet dictators, and their administrators, and their death-squad leaders, and high-ranking killer military leaders when they decide to get the heck outta the Americas, whenever the people get a clean election without the machinations of oligarchs and covert ops from outside the country.
As anyone who has acquainted him/herself enough with history of the Americas after the European land grab and enslavement of the indigenous, the same determination to operate the Americas like a feudal zone has been in place too many hundreds of years. The violent pigs won't give up their stolen advantage over the poor easily, but we ALL know it's going to happen.
The people will win, and peace WILL come. The greedy idiots are putting up their silliest, most pathetic fight yet, to grab everything back from the people they gained legally during the early part of this century.
As long as dirty, dishonest a-holes can cheat their way to power and direct the poor whose only opportunity to make money is to serve in the military to turn against their countrymen and violently suppress them when the right-wingers want, they will prevail until enough people become enlightened, which is on the way, and, in time, they won't be able to pay man to kill his brother for his boss politician.
"The end is coming?" It is, and it will be a great day!
Thanks for taking the time to know the truth, harder to reach than the flood of lies around us.
GatoGordo
(2,412 posts)Below are the ideologies of the anti-Chavista MUD: Democratic Unity Roundtable
The top 15 by number of voters.
Justice First Progressivism/Humanism
Democratic Action Social democracy
A New Era Social democracy
Popular Will Progressivism/Social democracy
Radical Cause Laborism
Progressive Movement of Venezuela Progressivism
Project Venezuela Liberal conservatism
Clear Accounts Progressivism
Progressive Advance Democratic socialism
Come Venezuela Liberalism
Fearless People's Alliance Social democracy
Emergent People Social democracy
National Convergence Christian democracy
Movement for a Responsible, Sustainable and Entrepreneurial Venezuela Greens
Ecological Movement of Venezuela Greens
Another red herring. There is no "right wing" in Venezuela. The militarists, guisos and enchufados are Chavistas.
El Pueblo is very, very sick and tired of Marxist/Leninism and its 19,000% annual inflation.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)"EU says it may impose more sanctions on Venezuela if democracy undermined"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-eu/eu-says-may-impose-more-sanctions-on-venezuela-if-democracy-undermined-idUSKBN1HQ10T
"Venezuelans report big weight losses in 2017 as hunger hits
CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelans reported losing on average 11 kilograms (24 lbs) in body weight last year and almost 90 percent now live in poverty, according to a new university study on the impact of a devastating economic crisis and food shortages."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-food/venezuelans-report-big-weight-losses-in-2017-as-hunger-hits-idUSKCN1G52HA
Venezuela's Inflation Is So Extreme It's Broken the Stock Market
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-26/venezuela-s-inflation-is-so-extreme-it-s-broken-the-stock-market
Venezuela in crisis: a healthcare system on the brink of collapse
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/venezuela-in-crisis-a-healthcare-system-on-the-brink-of-collapse-1218739267913?v=b
As Venezuela Collapses, Children Are Dying of Hunger
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/world/americas/venezuela-children-starving.html
Sounds like paradise!
GatoGordo
(2,412 posts)... the vile right wing fascists are only spreading propaganda! (Maduro)
... Venezuela is the land of plenty! There is no want! Everyone is happy! (Maduro)
... "Venezuelans don't want imperialism. They want to sing llanero and dance joropo! The president of Colombia cannot sing like me!" (Maduro)
... "I will smash the heads of the imperialists and their AN lackeys! (Diosdado Cabello)
... "Venezuelans have gotten soft. Revolution requires sacrifice! The people want sacrifice!" (Delcy Rodriguez)
... "Chavismo will never leave power! Not under any circumstance! Socialism forever!" (Delcy Rodriguez)
Judi Lynn
(160,662 posts)You'll never believe it doesn't occur anywhere. My loss.
I did find this article:
Regime Change Fails: Is A Military Coup or Invasion of Venezuela Next?
February 14, 2018
The U.S. has employed all of its regime change tools in Venezuela and although so far they have failed, there is still a chance that a military attack is in store, warn Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers.
By Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers
Several signals point to a possible military strike on Venezuela, with high-ranking officials and influential politicians making clear that it is a distinct possibility.
Speaking at his alma mater, the University of Texas, on February 1, Secretary of State Tillerson suggested a potential military coup in in the country. Tillerson then visited allied Latin American countries urging regime change and more economic sanctions on Venezuela. Tillerson is also reportedly considering banning the processing or sale of Venezuelan oil in the United States and is discouraging other countries from buying Venezuelan oil.
In a series of tweets, Senator Marco Rubio, the Republican from Florida, where many Venezuelan oligarchs live, openly called for a military coup in Venezuela. The world would support the Armed Forces in #Venezuela if they decide to protect the people & restore democracy by removing a dictator, the former presidential candidate tweeted.
How absurd remove an elected president with a military coup to restore democracy? Does that pass the straight face test? This refrain of Rubio and Tillerson seems to be the nonsensical public position of U.S. policy.
More:
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/14/regime-change-fails-is-a-military-coup-or-invasion-of-venezuela-next/
Mike Rows His Boat
(389 posts)All over the globe were protests against Bushs imminent invasion of Iraq.
Some 30,000 Cuban exiles and Venezuelan fanatics marching behind a giant gusano sign that read;
MR PRESIDENT, TODAY IRAQ. TOMORROW CUBA AND VENEZUELA
Yep.
Judi Lynn
(160,662 posts)and "exiles" and Venezuelan oligarchs turned out to celebrate themselves and to attack Hugo Chavez!
This article ran in the Sun-Sentinel:
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
March 28, 2004
Venezuelans, Cubans demand democracy in their homelands at Miami march
Former opposition leaders Carlos Fernandez, at center with raised
thumb, and Carlos Ortega, in a white Venezuela T-shirt, move to
the front of the protest march as it heads east on Calle Ocho, Miami.
The two men helped lead a national strike in their homeland.
Marchers in Little Havana demanded international help and denounced
the governments in Venezuela and Cuba as serious threats to Latin
America.
By Sandra Hernandez
Staff Writer
Miami -- Calling for greater international attention to the political crisis in their homeland, former Venezuelan opposition leaders Carlos Fernandez and Carlos Ortega marched together Saturday for the first time since both men fled their country.
"We are marching here because this is the only option we have since we can't be in Venezuela, but we want people to know we are with them," said Fernandez, former head of Venezuela's largest business chamber, surrounded by flags and placards as he led the protest down Little Havana's Calle Ocho. "Being together again today is huge for us, but beyond being able to march again with Carlos, I think this will send a message that our fight is not over."
Fernandez and Ortega left Venezuela in 2003 after helping lead a two-month national strike that paralyzed the country's economy, including the oil sector, but brought few concessions from President Hugo Chávez's government. Ortega, former head of the country's largest labor group, sought political asylum in Costa Rica a year ago; Fernandez now lives in Weston.
Organized by Cuban and Venezuelan leaders, the march called for an end to human rights abuses and advocated greater democracy in both countries, according to organizers like Luis Prieto of Todos Por Venezuela, or All for Venezuela, an opposition group with members in Miami-Dade and Broward counties.
"We are here to denounce two governments that pose a serious threat to Latin America," Prieto said.
More:
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/venezuela/march.htm
They are still stupid, greedy asses, after all these years.
So glad you mentioned this festival of clowns. It proves they've been stinking up South Florida a very long time. DU'ers here got a good laugh from that chain of fools.
GatoGordo
(2,412 posts)BY EDUARD FREISLER
As Liliana picks lice from the tangled, thick hair of her boyfriend, Patricio, while they sit together on the sidewalk of a Caracas street, shes also multi-tasking, keeping a watchful eye on her family. When a 10-year-old girl named Danianyeliz kneels down to drink water from a puddle, Liliana reproaches her, urging her to have a sip from a juice bottle theyve just found in a garbage bag.
At 16, Liliana has become the mother figure for a gang of Venezuelan children and young adults called the Chacao, named after the neighborhood theyve claimed as their territory. The 15 members, ranging in age from 10 to 23, work together to survive vicious fights for quality garbage in crumbling, shortage-plagued Venezuela. Their weapons are knives and sticks and machetes. The prize? Garbage that contains food good enough to eat.
Liliana has a quick, wide smile and goes by the nickname Caramelo. She takes charge of each day for the group, deciding how much food her family will consume and how much they will stash away for another day. She settles conflicts that flare up and gives a hug, a kiss or a pat on the back as needed.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article206950449.html
iViva la revolucion! Chavismo for another win!
GatoGordo
(2,412 posts)Are you familiar with Venezuela? Ever been there? Ever been to Latin America?
Perhaps you ought to read up on Venezuela? Maybe even swoop in on Cabello's TV program, Con El Mazo Dando (with the mace for "giving" ). He likes to go on and on about how he is "excited" about the next phase of the revolution, when he won't have to even look over his shoulder and glance at any opposition to the glorious Bolivarian revolution.
Really a class guy. His side job is the head of the Cartel de la Soles. So that lovely mace of his probably comes in handy.
Judi Lynn
(160,662 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 27, 2018, 08:43 PM - Edit history (1)
So glad you've noted all things are not as they attempt to seem.
On edit:
I know it seems hard to believe, ( ) but sometimes they have even "hidden" themselves in this forum!
Mike Rows His Boat
(389 posts)The most rw forum on demu, based on the thread titles.
Just my opinion, of course. Im new to this site, I ll figure it out.
Have a good evening.
Judi Lynn
(160,662 posts)EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Definition of fascism:
a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Venezuela meets all those criteria.
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Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)The chavistas couldnt be more infatuated with chavez than the most hard core nazi with their leader. Theyve since withered away in shame with the exception of idiota fulana de tal and the occasional moron who believes chavismo is the right idea for Latin america
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)That is true and why any Democratic person who is against fascism is against what is going on in Venezuela.
You'd have to be ignorant of what is going on down there not to be.
Definition of fascism:
a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Venezuela meets all those criteria.