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Cha

(295,929 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:35 AM Mar 2016

This.. "Why Democrats didn’t feel the Bern"

this has been my contention from the start..

snip//

But the Sanders challenge was doomed by a fatal flaw: Democrats aren’t as unhappy as he needed them to be

snip//

“Everybody says people are angry, but that’s not really the case,” said Frank Newport, the head of Gallup. Americans “are not going through their lives seething and kicking the cat.” The anger “is a very particular anger, and it varies depending on which party is in power,” Newport told me. “People filter a lot through who’s president.”

snip//

On the Republican side this year, anger at the Obama administration makes Donald Trump’s insurgency possible — just as in 2008, anger at the Bush administration’s Iraq blunder made possible Barack Obama’s challenge to Clinton. Sanders would likely have fared better this year if there were an incumbent Republican administration. But as a protest candidate, he’s campaigning against the existing order — and much of that order is a two-term Democratic president who is very popular among the Democrats Sanders needed to win.

snip//

This left Sanders in the position of sparking a “revolution,” as he put it, among a group that isn’t nearly as negative about the government as the overall electorate. And to campaign against the status quo he inevitably had to be critical of Obama — who enjoys the support of more than 85 percent of Democrats and more than 90 percent of African Americans.

snip//

But Obama isn’t just popular among black Democrats. He’s popular among all Democrats — and contentment with the guy in charge is a weak basis for a revolution."

Please read it all.. I put some of my favorite snips in but there's more~ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-democrats-didnt-feel-the-bern/2016/03/01/f95c25f0-dff4-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html

ismnotwasm http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6757

Random...





Hillary was the President's first choice for his SOS and they've had a well respected relationship since then.




sheshe~


[font color=blue]Hillary's Group~Mahalo~

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This.. "Why Democrats didn’t feel the Bern" (Original Post) Cha Mar 2016 OP
Good points! Thankie Cha. Lucinda Mar 2016 #1
Yes, Finally someone writing for a big paper is bringing up what many of us were saying Cha Mar 2016 #2
He seems to have forgotten a lot of things on the campaign trail Lucinda Mar 2016 #5
He said this on BET?! wow!! Sanders is in a bubble if he still thinks this. He's not being told he's YCHDT Mar 2016 #8
Yes, he's just arrogant enough to do that.. make that claim that is so false against SOS Cha Mar 2016 #25
Yes, sheshe2 Mar 2016 #76
Thank you, she! Now I hear he's out in Michigan and one of his surrogates said Cha Mar 2016 #77
K&R! stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #3
Good Morning, stonecutter! Cha Mar 2016 #27
I just had this argument with some friends ... NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #4
I'll take love and kindness over anger any day. Lucinda Mar 2016 #6
For real, Lucinda~ Cha Mar 2016 #50
Incredible timing, Nance. This article says it.. "fatal flaw" and all. Most Americans are happy Cha Mar 2016 #9
^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #95
Yes Sir, this was a huge tactical mistake for Bernie Sanders staff to think a proxy run AGAINST YCHDT Mar 2016 #7
Well, sanders has been doing it thoughout Obama's presidency and even calling for him Cha Mar 2016 #28
Sanders is forever yelling how angry Americans are in his speeches!! I suspect that riversedge Mar 2016 #10
But, his yelling it isn't making it so, rivers.. it must really frustrate him. Cha Mar 2016 #11
I think we're going to see more frustration NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #103
Yeah, he thought he was going to win Nevada and Massachusetts, too.. that didn't happen. Cha Mar 2016 #104
He nailed it: "Democrats aren’t as unhappy as he needed them to be" lamp_shade Mar 2016 #12
A "fatal flaw" in his strategy, lamp_shade. Even though I hear he's out there on the Cha Mar 2016 #14
I like him because he appeals to my sense of justice, what is right, common good King_Klonopin Mar 2016 #13
BS is promoting anger. I've heard it again and again. He's not telling the whole story about Cha Mar 2016 #15
So I'm really angry, but just don't know it ? King_Klonopin Mar 2016 #18
Did I say that? No. I said sanders is promoting it by not telling the whole story about Cha Mar 2016 #19
Lucky 13 REC riversedge Mar 2016 #16
I love the number 13.. I was born on the 13th so I figure it's a lucky #. Cha Mar 2016 #20
I can guess your age gmoles Mar 2016 #17
No, you can't.. you're wrong.. you have no idea about me.. and it's a little arrogant Cha Mar 2016 #21
Can I say something? I just read this big, massive OP whine about you. Oh, the humanity!! Number23 Mar 2016 #117
I'm Dying, too, 23! Cha Mar 2016 #118
He was PPR'd JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #119
I know, Gen.. Mahlao! Cha Mar 2016 #121
You know who is old AND frustrated? Bernie. His anger is livetohike Mar 2016 #22
No one forced you to take a loan Chico Man Mar 2016 #23
I don't take out $60,000 loans and blame my decision on everyone else. I hope you don't do that Trust Buster Mar 2016 #26
Good thought, mortgages last for a long time, thirty years, we had very Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #35
I'm with you gmoles, to a degree... marcopolo63 Mar 2016 #29
"A future to believe in".. then why is sanders not giving the whole picture of President Obama's Cha Mar 2016 #37
Why is it Bernie's job to pitch for Obama's legacy? FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #70
Why doesn't BS have the deceny to give the whole picture? Obama is our Cha Mar 2016 #72
BS doesn't have "to pitch" anything for Obama AFAIC. As a matter of fact, I hope he & his surrogates Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #96
Sorry you feel this way about the most qualified candidate running Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #39
Thank you, Thinkingabout! Cha Mar 2016 #42
I am surprised by the number of negative responses to gmole's post Colorado Rambler Mar 2016 #108
You don't know how damn lucky you are to be young right now. William769 Mar 2016 #30
Oh good I'm not the only one that thought this was nonsense. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #32
You're not. William769 Mar 2016 #33
You aren't. Treant Mar 2016 #38
I'm not disagreeing that the cost is too high giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #40
Exactly Treant Mar 2016 #45
Really, thank you, William~ Cha Mar 2016 #48
Hyperbole much. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #31
you need a financial advisor not a politician. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #44
Hah! BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #60
Nailed it! treestar Mar 2016 #90
Hee hee NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #102
You posted an anti-Hillary screed in the Hillary forum. Fla Dem Mar 2016 #51
I dont think Bernie Sanders will solve this posters problems eom GusBob Mar 2016 #55
Great post. Thanks, Fla Dem. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #99
Mahalo, Fla Dem.. Nice to get back online to! Cha Mar 2016 #100
Let me give you some friendly advice for your next job interview GusBob Mar 2016 #54
If your worst problem Haveadream Mar 2016 #93
This summer Ellen Forradalom Mar 2016 #101
My great uncle is buried there. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2016 #123
My condolences. Ellen Forradalom Mar 2016 #124
K&R! DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #24
Thank you, DemonGoddess! Cha Mar 2016 #41
K&R! betsuni Mar 2016 #34
Thank you, betsuni! Cha Mar 2016 #47
Soooo true. ucrdem Mar 2016 #36
It's working for trump.. it's easy for him.. his fans think Obama was born in Kenyan. Cha Mar 2016 #49
This is GREAT ... FANTASTIC!! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #43
Isn't?! I thought so.. I hear he's out there in Michigan now running against President Obama Cha Mar 2016 #56
Someone should tell Bernie's campaign that he's not running against Obama ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #58
lol.. or not. good grief! It's like the freaking Twilight Zone. It's not Cha Mar 2016 #61
K&R ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #46
Mahalo, ism.. for the article! Cha Mar 2016 #59
I agree! BooScout Mar 2016 #52
That's what Hillary says, too, Boo.. President Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves.. Cha Mar 2016 #63
K&R mcar Mar 2016 #53
Thank you, mcar~ Cha Mar 2016 #64
We want more! yallerdawg Mar 2016 #57
Exactly, yallerdawg.. they have their priorities screwed up. Cha Mar 2016 #66
Did anyone warn BS that if he f%@ked with Obama an entire nation would f&%k with him? great white snark Mar 2016 #62
I think it's inexcusable, too, snark! I'm seething mad about it.. glad to see there's Cha Mar 2016 #69
Everything you said times 1000. sheshe2 Mar 2016 #85
Hi sheshe2. great white snark Mar 2016 #86
K & R Iliyah Mar 2016 #65
Yeah, whose votes is he going for? Cha Mar 2016 #73
K&R DesertRat Mar 2016 #67
I like your sig line! Cha Mar 2016 #75
. DesertRat Mar 2016 #94
Haha! We are more than happy with steady forward progress! Her Sister Mar 2016 #68
Thank you for those links, Her Sister! Run bernie run! Cha Mar 2016 #78
you're welcome! they came from the article Her Sister Mar 2016 #79
Good! Cha Mar 2016 #80
There are so many reasons why Democrats aren't feeling the "Bern", across the entire spectrum..... George II Mar 2016 #71
we are unhappy ----but with the republicans!! Her Sister Mar 2016 #81
K&R. Good points! Thank you, Cha! lunamagica Mar 2016 #74
Gracias Lunamagica! Cha Mar 2016 #84
I think the real number of Dems who support Obama is higher than what the article cites. LonePirate Mar 2016 #82
Despicable tactic backfiring - The more he attempts to spread his personal animosity for UtahLib Mar 2016 #83
Well said! "The more he attempts to spread his personal animosity for Cha Mar 2016 #88
K&R sheshe2 Mar 2016 #87
Aloha, she! Cha Mar 2016 #106
The attacks by Sanders and his supporters on President Obama played a role in my support Gothmog Mar 2016 #89
Well said! DesertRat Mar 2016 #91
Thank you for this Gothmog. The President has accomplished so much in 7 years with Cha Mar 2016 #107
I am not willing to throw away President Obama's legacy Gothmog Mar 2016 #115
Yeah, the real world.. an important place for actually making progress! Cha Mar 2016 #116
Living in Texas, one has to live in the real world Gothmog Mar 2016 #122
Why so mad? taught_me_patience Mar 2016 #92
Mahalo, taught_me_patience.. Cha Mar 2016 #127
Absolutely! book_worm Mar 2016 #97
Mahalo book_worm! Cha Mar 2016 #109
This articles gives me the feels Politicub Mar 2016 #98
I'm feelin' that article so much, Politicub! Cha Mar 2016 #112
This piece speaks to my own feelings. You can't put together a ragtag bunch of Obama haters, and.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #105
Really! Isn't it funny how he got all the ODSrs out there.. surrogating for him.. Cha Mar 2016 #114
I never felt the "Bern" Loki Mar 2016 #110
K&R treestar Mar 2016 #111
Yes, I do, too, treestar.. love your sig pc.. this is what the Obamas think of the Cha Mar 2016 #125
You mean we don't hate Obama and his former SOS? Imagine that. nt Hekate Mar 2016 #113
Noooo.. in spite of all the unprecedented hate coming at them and getting blamed for everything Cha Mar 2016 #126
K&R! DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #120

Cha

(295,929 posts)
2. Yes, Finally someone writing for a big paper is bringing up what many of us were saying
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:49 AM
Mar 2016

about sanders dissing the President and Hillary for liking President Obama.. It's not going to fly.

“You know Hillary Clinton now is trying to embrace the president as closely as she possibly can,” a frustrated Sanders told BET in February. “Everything the president does is wonderful. .?.?. And we know what that’s about. That’s trying to win support from the African American community where the president is enormously popular.”

sanders must have forgot that Hillary was Obama's SOS and they had a great relationship.

Mahalo Lucinda!

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
5. He seems to have forgotten a lot of things on the campaign trail
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:54 AM
Mar 2016


It will be interesting to see what happens with him....once he steps down.

YCHDT

(962 posts)
8. He said this on BET?! wow!! Sanders is in a bubble if he still thinks this. He's not being told he's
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:00 AM
Mar 2016

bucket naked by people who are around him

Cha

(295,929 posts)
25. Yes, he's just arrogant enough to do that.. make that claim that is so false against SOS
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:27 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton.

Thank you, YCHDT

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
76. Yes,
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

This statement bothered me. He seems woefully ignorant of the friendship they had built out of mutual respect. They settled their differences a long time ago.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
77. Thank you, she! Now I hear he's out in Michigan and one of his surrogates said
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

President Obama doesn't care about jobs.. in Michigan where he saved the auto industry!

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
4. I just had this argument with some friends ...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:52 AM
Mar 2016

... a few hours ago.

What I said was: "It always boils down to the same thing. Bernie’s entire campaign was premised on the idea of tapping into this incredible anger that Americans feel towards the gov’t, “The Establishment”, etc., and the truth is that incredible anger just isn’t there. That anger was going to be the fuel that propelled him into the presidency – and it’s not as plentiful a commodity as he envisioned it was."

I'll have to follow-up by sending them this link.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
50. For real, Lucinda~
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:00 AM
Mar 2016



Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton speaks to an enthusiastic crowd at a rally in a film studio in Miami Tuesday.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
9. Incredible timing, Nance. This article says it.. "fatal flaw" and all. Most Americans are happy
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:21 AM
Mar 2016

with President Obama.. they for some unknown reason know the reality of what's been accomplished and how much progress he's made.

They know the obstruction he's had and what he accomplished in spite of that.

Ah yes, the "establishment".. too bad Obama has made so much progress fighting against the repubs who are the real enemy. They're running against him.. it wasn't too smart for a Democratic candidate to run against the Popular Dem President.

I am so grateful that all the propaganda pushed against this President from both sides didn't take hold with the American people.. talk about smart.

I hope your friends understand this.

YCHDT

(962 posts)
7. Yes Sir, this was a huge tactical mistake for Bernie Sanders staff to think a proxy run AGAINST
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:58 AM
Mar 2016

Obama (who is a part of the establishment) would resonate among people who love, like and are endeared to him and Bill Clinton.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
28. Well, sanders has been doing it thoughout Obama's presidency and even calling for him
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:06 AM
Mar 2016

to be primaried in 2012.. just more of the same hogwash.

riversedge

(69,730 posts)
10. Sanders is forever yelling how angry Americans are in his speeches!! I suspect that
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:31 AM
Mar 2016


in some cases --it you listen long enough, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy !!!!





......“You know Hillary Clinton now is trying to embrace the president as closely as she possibly can,” a frustrated Sanders told BET in February. “Everything the president does is wonderful. .?.?. And we know what that’s about. That’s trying to win support from the African American community where the president is enormously popular.”

But Obama isn’t just popular among black Democrats. He’s popular among all Democrats — and contentment with the guy in charge is a weak basis for a revolution. .........................

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
103. I think we're going to see more frustration
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016

and anger in the coming weeks from Sanders. He really really believes he can pull this off, but beware the Ides of March!

Mahalo Cha!

Cha

(295,929 posts)
104. Yeah, he thought he was going to win Nevada and Massachusetts, too.. that didn't happen.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:01 PM
Mar 2016

Thank you, Riff! yes you!

lamp_shade

(14,796 posts)
12. He nailed it: "Democrats aren’t as unhappy as he needed them to be"
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:54 AM
Mar 2016

I've watched as my BIL, a mature, intelligent, caring and once-reasonable man, transition from an not-unexpected "angry" republican to a hate-filled and ANGST-filled fear monger.

angst - noun - a feeling of deep anxiety or dread, typically an unfocused one about the human condition or the state of the world in general. Synonyms: anxiety, fear, apprehension, worry, foreboding, trepidation, malaise, disquiet, disquietude, unease, uneasiness.

I trashed GD-P the day it was introduced and the Bernie group shortly thereafter. I still see a lot of Hillary bashing in Videos and in LBN, so I'm not fully protected, but... yikes... there appears to be a small herd (or maybe a large herd?) of Bernie people who have transitioned from "anger" to full-blown "angst". It's hard to see how these folks will be able to support Hillary when the time comes. It'll be interesting to watch.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
14. A "fatal flaw" in his strategy, lamp_shade. Even though I hear he's out there on the
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:04 AM
Mar 2016

Campaign Trail trying to make it so. President Obama has just done so much good that he can't erase that.

Just desserts for someone who wanted Obama primaried in 2012.

Sorry about your BIL .. it would be a frustrating place to be in. Life is about so much more.

And, that is why I trashed the BS group and don't go into gdp much except to K&$ a friend's post who still does.





rivers~http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=62253

King_Klonopin

(1,305 posts)
13. I like him because he appeals to my sense of justice, what is right, common good
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:58 AM
Mar 2016

not because he appeals to my sense of anger. I am not alone in this.

Anger belongs to The Donald.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
15. BS is promoting anger. I've heard it again and again. He's not telling the whole story about
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:07 AM
Mar 2016

President Obama, either. .. he conveniently leaves that out.

The OP is dead on.

FYI you're in Hillary's Group.

King_Klonopin

(1,305 posts)
18. So I'm really angry, but just don't know it ?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:13 AM
Mar 2016

Maybe you are politically spinning and don't know it ?

Cha

(295,929 posts)
19. Did I say that? No. I said sanders is promoting it by not telling the whole story about
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:16 AM
Mar 2016

President Obama.. and telling things about Hillary that just aren't so.

 

gmoles

(24 posts)
17. I can guess your age
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:12 AM
Mar 2016

I am a young American, and I am angry. I have 60k in student loans from a state university that was designed to be free for state residents like me. I had a scholarship that was cancelled in 2008 after the economic collapse ruined the economy and the budgets of the UC system. I had to take a loan from one of the banks that was responsible for the crash that caused my scholarship to be cancelled, to finish college. I couldn't find a job for over 18 months. Interest on my loans has almost doubled the principle.

If you have had a long career, sitting on nice social security check or spouses income or pension...yeah, I bet you're not angry.

If you are like me, you have already been screwed. You look at the system and see its inequity. You look at the big banks that increased their power and wealth from a crash they made. You look at a future and see it very hard to be hopeful unless there are some serious fundamental changes.

You are old and you sat by on your nice paychecks while the system got more and more corrupt.

I am young. I am really really angry. I am fighting for my life and America's future.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
21. No, you can't.. you're wrong.. you have no idea about me.. and it's a little arrogant
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:24 AM
Mar 2016

for you to assume.

President Obama has built an excellent legacy with so much progress. You have to realize where we were in 2008. sanders doesn't acknowledge that and he says things about Hillary that just aren't so.

We're fighting for a real future where Hillary builds on the President's legacy and builds one of her own. The President and Hillary do much more than just talk about it.. they get it done.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
117. Can I say something? I just read this big, massive OP whine about you. Oh, the humanity!!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:03 AM
Mar 2016

The wailing! The gnashing! The rendering of garments because you blocked somebody from this forum.

Hundreds of responses and even more recs. And all of that and nobody bothered to notice that the OP, the person you blocked from this forum, the source of all the wailing and "oh, you poor thing! That Cha is the WORST!11", had been tombstoned for being a troll.

I. Am. DYING!!!!!!!

Cha

(295,929 posts)
118. I'm Dying, too, 23!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:21 AM
Mar 2016

LOL ROFL! I bet it was funny.. "the gnashing, the wailing!".. I'm not reading it, though.. but I definitely get the humor.. especially that things turned out the way I wanted them to!
















livetohike

(22,084 posts)
22. You know who is old AND frustrated? Bernie. His anger is
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:59 AM
Mar 2016

with himself. He is an old 60's radical who is looking back at his years when he was young and idealistic and wishing for the good old days. He is stuck in the 60's. He has not evolved with the times. He is divisive and not intelligent enough to realize that Democrats like OUR President. His arrogance will be his downfall.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
23. No one forced you to take a loan
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:01 AM
Mar 2016

I'm certain you had other options.

We are hiring fresh college students every day.

It all depends on your perspective.

I recently paid off my student loan and I don't feel victimized.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
26. I don't take out $60,000 loans and blame my decision on everyone else. I hope you don't do that
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:37 AM
Mar 2016

with your first mortgage. Life doesn't work that way.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
35. Good thought, mortgages last for a long time, thirty years, we had very
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:17 AM
Mar 2016

High interest at one time but we got the loans. Social security is based on thirty five years, angry, no, just have to work through it and be happy we have opportunities.

marcopolo63

(64 posts)
29. I'm with you gmoles, to a degree...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:09 AM
Mar 2016

While I am not young and paid off my student loans 25 years ago - I get it. Hillary is a status quo candidate in an era where more of the same just won't work! I can't think of one detailed proposal she has made that will make any difference in the lives of more than just a few Americans, and to say that she will be a "change-maker" for the positive belies her career of limited success. And for every real meaningful accomplishment she has been a part of - she has almost to a "T" backtracked on her positions or done complete 360 degree reversals - e.g. mortgage lending, juvenile crime, welfare to name a few.

I fully supported Hillary early in the 2008 campaign because I believed we needed her strength to correct the damage the Bush/Cheney years had inflicted on our country, and I just thought Obama's time was still to come. But now - after 8 good years and some positive change, we need more than the same old stuff. We need new and some old but creative ideas to move forward, and Hillary just isn't the change agent she may have once been. She definitely has the "stuff" to be President, and clearly wants to be President. But I question if she has what it takes to win this election, and if she does (and I will certainly support her if she is nominated), I am not convinced she has what it takes to be a good President.

In Hillary we will just have to consider ourselves surprised if and when she does the right and progressive things that can move America forward, and dare to try bold actions to truly take the U.S. to a better, safer, more healthy and happy place! With Bernie - we know what the plan is and can see there's A Future to Believe In!! With Hillary - it a "Hope and Change" 2016 redux that I fear may be more of the same old, in the face of a Trump/Racist/Bigot onslaught that America hasn't seen in 100+ years. My biggest fear is that Hillary 2016 just won't be enough to overcome what the fright wing will throw at her in this election cycle, but if we don't support her as the nominee, despite her flaws and imperfections, are you OK with the alternative or dark side winning?

Cha

(295,929 posts)
37. "A future to believe in".. then why is sanders not giving the whole picture of President Obama's
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:21 AM
Mar 2016

accomplishments and how bad it was when Obama took office in 2008.

If he wants people to believe in the future... he has to start with the past and present.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
70. Why is it Bernie's job to pitch for Obama's legacy?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

Obama, a centrist pro business/fiance friendly democrat and Bernie, the left/opposite, aren't exactly simpatico.

While Obama accomplished many good things, despite Republican's, he also has some nasty stains on him. Remember when he was trying to strike the "grand bargain" on Entitlements and Social Security with his buddy's Pete Peterson and that reform commission in 2009- 2010? This would have led to cuts in these foundational programs that benefit so many Americans. Thank God the R's hated him so much they would not negotiate with him. Then there's TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) still hanging around like Shelob in her lair. We will see how that goes, especially in the Lame duck session.

So only time will really tell the overall benefit of his Presidency.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
72. Why doesn't BS have the deceny to give the whole picture? Obama is our
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:54 AM
Mar 2016

popular accomplished President and BS is getting nowhere running against him.

that's what the republicons are doing and they're going nowhere either.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
96. BS doesn't have "to pitch" anything for Obama AFAIC. As a matter of fact, I hope he & his surrogates
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:25 PM
Mar 2016

keep doing exactly what they and YOU have been doing. Keep attacking the guy with a 90% approval among AA's, 85% approval among Liberal Democrats; the very folks BS is trying to woo. Don't change a thing, cuz everything is going according to plan.





Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
39. Sorry you feel this way about the most qualified candidate running
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:25 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:54 AM - Edit history (1)

Yes she has changed some of her positions, so has Sanders. Just a reminder you are in the Hilary group, it is not a forum, pleas do not come here to disparage Hillary, those comments are for forums as gd-p.

Colorado Rambler

(40 posts)
108. I am surprised by the number of negative responses to gmole's post
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

I seldom post here myself, but I am much in agreement with gmole. My generation (I'm 64) was able to get a good education at a state supported school that charged in state tuition. I worked part time, got a couple of scholarships and had the good fortune of having a father who could afford to chip in with my education bills. I can't imagine what it must be like for today's young people, just starting out and already saddled with a huge debt from college loans. There is no excuse for this situation. My family is originally from Appalachia - we were Kentucky hillbillies - but my grandparents decided that their children (including my Dad) deserved a better shot at life than working the coal mines. They moved down to Bluegrass Country, bought a small farm and off the procedes of a small family farm, they were able to put every last one of their 6 children through the University of Kentucky at the height of the Depression. How did they pull this off? UK had free tuition for in state residents during that time in our country's history. Now if a poverty ridden state like Kentucky pulled this off, there's no reason why state schools today couldn't do something similar. Yep, taxes would have to go up. The Republicans would scream like bloody murder, but what's new? This country needs to start investing in its most precious resource - the American people - especially its YOUNG people.

I don't support Bernie over Hillary because I'm some battle scarred old war horse, disappointed at my own lack of carpe diem. I am a battle scarred activist - been an activist all my life, and I've never hesitated to speak out and take action when I see some wrong being committed. Hillary is just another professional politician who can make backroom deals with the best of them. I foresee little to no change under a Hillary administration. Yeah, I'd vote for her over Trump, but that's a pretty low bar to meet. Bernie is willing to take on the heavy duty stuff like the rapid climate change which is beginning to destroy our planet; the undue influence of the upper 1% on the governance of the rest of us in the lower 99%; income inequality; the prison industrial complex and all the rest. So Bernie will have my complete support up to the Democratic Convention and if Hillary wins, then so be it. Trump represents a very dark, chilling tide that seems to be rising in our nation, and he needs to be stopped. Hillary is the lesser of the two evils.

William769

(55,124 posts)
30. You don't know how damn lucky you are to be young right now.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:09 AM
Mar 2016

Hell, your generation has had it the easiest it's ever been. Your just angry because your silver spoon isn't golden.

You want to see what hard is? Look at generations past.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
38. You aren't.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:22 AM
Mar 2016


Complete nonsense, no. Federal college loans should probably be at no interest or exceptionally low interest just as an incentive to pay it (we're talking a floor of 0.5%, depending on the prime rate). College costs really do need considerable tinkering.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
40. I'm not disagreeing that the cost is too high
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:28 AM
Mar 2016

but the doom & gloom "I'm fighting for my life" is nonsense.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
45. Exactly
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:37 AM
Mar 2016

I've fought for my life. Owing money is, by comparison, not exactly the same thing...unless it's to a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy...

Fla Dem

(23,352 posts)
51. You posted an anti-Hillary screed in the Hillary forum.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:00 AM
Mar 2016
Wow. I would have voted for Hillary and encouraged friends to, until this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280133381#post12


Perhaps you didn't realize that both the Bernie and Hillary Group forums are safe havens for their supporters and anti HRC/BS postings are not allowed. THAT's why you were banned, just like over 250 HRC supporters have been banned from the Bernie group. But you whine about your financial situation and then ridiculed a DU member who you assumed was sitting pretty with a Huuuggggeee social security check just rolling in every month with not a care in the world.

"You are old and you sat by on your nice paychecks while the system got more and more corrupt."


How dare you assume to know her situation.

The financial situation President Obama inherited from the Bush administration had the country on the brink of a depression. He and his administration turned the financial health of the country around.

Debt free state college education has been a long standing HRC position. Your post was insulting and rude. Guess that $60k education didn't teach you manners.

College
The New College Compact:

Costs won’t be a barrier, debt won’t hold you back.
Hillary will:
-Ensure no student has to borrow to pay for tuition, books, or fees to attend a four-year public college in their state.
-Enable Americans with existing student loan debt to refinance at current rates.
-Hold colleges and universities accountable for controlling costs and making tuition affordable.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/


If all it took was one incident on a political forum to make you change you mind on who you are going to vote for, tells me you don't give deep thought to your convictions. Perhaps deeper thought before you incurred $60k in debt would have been in order.

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
99. Great post. Thanks, Fla Dem.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:44 PM
Mar 2016

And the irony is he ran off to the BS Group to whine about how he now can't respond to Hillary Group posts, yet he attacked Cha knowing she can't respond to him there.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
54. Let me give you some friendly advice for your next job interview
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:16 AM
Mar 2016

1. Drop the anger. You have yet to see people with real problems

2. Drop the negativity. You are bathing in it and employers can sense that

3. Stop blaming your problems on other people. You own the mistakes you have made

4. Never, ever, ever make assumptions about people as you did right off the bat here. Its a kill switch.

5. Don't just turn your phone off. Leave it out of the interview room.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
93. If your worst problem
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

is paying back loans on having a college education, you are very fortunate indeed. If financial problems are the biggest thing you have to worry about, you have advantages many Hillary voters do not. You make enormous presumptions about the people who support her. And, I am one of her supporters who happens to be very angry. I too am sick and tired of the status quo. The burdens I carry, I can assure you, are very heavy indeed. I support her for the same reasons I support Obama. They speak to and are making a difference in the problems that matter to me.

You said:


"If you are like me, you have already been screwed. You look at the system and see its inequity.... You look at a future and see it very hard to be hopeful unless there are some serious fundamental changes."


Preaching to the choir.

Ellen Forradalom

(16,159 posts)
101. This summer
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

I took my son on a day trip to World War I sites around Ypres, Belgium. We visited Tyne Cot and several other war grave sites. Thousands upon thousands of graves, thousands upon thousands of names of the dead whose remains were never found. All young men. That's fighting for your life.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
123. My great uncle is buried there.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

He was 21 and his name was Harry.

His life for his country, his soul to God.

Voormezeele Cemetery, Ypres, Belgium. August 19th 1917.

I have other relatives buried in other WW1 cemeteries.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
36. Soooo true.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:19 AM
Mar 2016

Bernies mad-as-heck shtick appeals to a very particular outlook that never got over some imagined disappointment back in oh, 2007 or so and requires a steady diet of RW fare to sustain. One we all known and love LOL. And that's all I'm gonna say about that!





Cha

(295,929 posts)
49. It's working for trump.. it's easy for him.. his fans think Obama was born in Kenyan.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:55 AM
Mar 2016

not so much, BS.. Dems love the President.. and the President loves Hillary.

Mahalo ucr!

Cha

(295,929 posts)
56. Isn't?! I thought so.. I hear he's out there in Michigan now running against President Obama
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:35 AM
Mar 2016

Larry Cohen who introduced BS said Obama doesn't care about jobs.

Mahalo Jackie!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
58. Someone should tell Bernie's campaign that he's not running against Obama ...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:51 AM
Mar 2016

... or not. Never mind. (Please proceed, Senator.)




Cha

(295,929 posts)
61. lol.. or not. good grief! It's like the freaking Twilight Zone. It's not
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

as if anything he says is even true.

So bizarre.. and we're living it right now.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
52. I agree!
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:07 AM
Mar 2016

I am not angry enough! Sure the Repukes piss me off...BUT, I really like President Obama and all he has done! IMHO he doesn't get near enough credit for what he has managed to achieve with the asshole Republicans trying to block his every move.

Great read Cha! And I love the pics!

Cha

(295,929 posts)
63. That's what Hillary says, too, Boo.. President Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves..
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:06 AM
Mar 2016

It will be the same for her.. the M$M will try to drag her down and cover up the accomplishments on their never ending quest for a repub in the Oval Office.

He especially doesn't get it from BS.. quite the opposite.

Mahalo!

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
62. Did anyone warn BS that if he f%@ked with Obama an entire nation would f&%k with him?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:01 AM
Mar 2016

The back & forth with Hillary is expected in a heated primary but when a month old Dem attacks a popular sitting Dem President that is inexcusable. It's disrespectful. He lost any respect from me and I imagine from a lot of my fellow countrymen & women.

Well suffice it to say I agree wholeheartedly Cha. Excellent post!

Cha

(295,929 posts)
69. I think it's inexcusable, too, snark! I'm seething mad about it.. glad to see there's
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:42 AM
Mar 2016

kindred spirits here.

There's no excuse for it.. it's not even based on reality.. No way is President Obama going to allow for his legacy to be sullied by the likes of that.

Wonder if he ever regrets campaigning for sanders in 2006?

Thank you!

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
86. Hi sheshe2.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

Having served under Dubya and having fought in his illegal war I was so proud and relieved to serve under my Commander in Chief President Barak Obama. He will always be my President and I will never make any apologies for being overprotective. I know we share in that protectiveness.



George II

(67,782 posts)
71. There are so many reasons why Democrats aren't feeling the "Bern", across the entire spectrum.....
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:53 AM
Mar 2016

....of the American demographic.

And as pointed out, the average American isn't as unhappy and possibly bitter as Sanders expected.

Thanks.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
81. we are unhappy ----but with the republicans!!
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

we know what Obama has had to put up with. This is just so clear!!!!

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
82. I think the real number of Dems who support Obama is higher than what the article cites.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

It is very tough to find a Democrat outside of DU who doesn't love Obama, especially given the congressional blockade he has faced since 2011.

UtahLib

(3,179 posts)
83. Despicable tactic backfiring - The more he attempts to spread his personal animosity for
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

President Obama in the pursuit of his own ambitions, the weaker he becomes.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
88. Well said! "The more he attempts to spread his personal animosity for
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:09 PM
Mar 2016

President Obama in the pursuit of his own ambitions, the weaker he becomes."

Thank you, Utah!

Cha

(295,929 posts)
106. Aloha, she!
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

Not only doesn't he get it .. he's 180 degrees from not getting it.

Mahalo to you for the pic.. it's perfect for this compelling explanation of why the Dems aren't feelin' the big ol bern.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
89. The attacks by Sanders and his supporters on President Obama played a role in my support
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

There are good reasons why many voters including some African American voters are not supporting Sanders. I believe that one major difference explains one of the big divides between Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters as to their views concerning President Obama and his record. There is a vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. It seems that this view colors who I am supporting in the primary http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics

But lurking behind this argument about the future is a dispute that's really about the past. It’s a debate over what Obama accomplished in office -- in particular, how significant those accomplishments really are. And it's been simmering on the left for most of the last seven years.

On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only he’d fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.

They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.

On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.

It seems that many of the Sanders supporters hold a different view of President Obama which is also a leading reason why Sanders is not exciting many African American voters. Again, it may be difficult for Sanders to appeal to African American voters when one of the premises of his campaign is that Sanders does not think that President Obama is a progressive or a good POTUS.

Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I do not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. There are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (myself included) and many African American Democratic voters are not supporting Sanders.

I personally am proud that President Obama is our POTUS and I do not want to abandon his legacy. This viewpoint explains why many good Democrats are not supporting Sanders including many African American voters. Sanders' legacy in the civil rights movement is nice but does not overcome this concern.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
107. Thank you for this Gothmog. The President has accomplished so much in 7 years with
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

unprecedented obstruction. Something sanders fails to mention in his diatribes against Obama.

So much Progress.. and good solid foundations. Hillary will only build on that and create her own legacy.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
115. I am not willing to throw away President Obama's legacy
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:44 AM
Mar 2016

President Obama has accomplished a great deal. I live in the real world and so I know how difficult it is to get things done

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
105. This piece speaks to my own feelings. You can't put together a ragtag bunch of Obama haters, and....
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

call it "a revolution". There's nothing revolutionary about hate. I even found myself hating BS, and his surrogates because of the hatred they spewed toward the president. I think I'm finally moving back to indifference where they're concerned, but I could never have supported BS.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
114. Really! Isn't it funny how he got all the ODSrs out there.. surrogating for him..
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:20 AM
Mar 2016

Unreal.. you cannot make up this shite!

Worst campaign message EVER!

Tarheel

Loki

(3,825 posts)
110. I never felt the "Bern"
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

he reminded me too much of that cranky old man McCain. I was a 60's radical, a SDS member on my college campus, I too was once idealistic, but it never changed me into the people that have become the lazy, middle class repukes that I met during my last reunion. Hell, even my 98 year old mother is still as radical a Democrat as she was when she first voted for FDR. She can't stand Bernie, and I can't print the name she called him. She was a feminist and an activist before I was born, my father and his brothers were active in the labor movement. You misjudge me if you think these little punks will be able to intimidate me with their smears, lies, threats, lazy straw man arguments and innuendo because I've already seen it many times over. Karl Rove learned it at Lee Atwater's knee, and I got to experience Rat Fucking up close and personal during the CREEP takeover of the choosing of delegates to the Missouri convention for the 1972 election. Yeah, they may think they are tough, idealistic and know what's right for everyone. But, they haven't been where I've been, and they never will. Goodbye BS, you will just be another shadow in the long line has been candidates. The sooner you leave, the better off we will be.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
125. Yes, I do, too, treestar.. love your sig pc.. this is what the Obamas think of the
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:26 AM
Mar 2016

"bern"












Meet the Press
✔ ??@meetthepress
#SuperTuesday Democratic Primaries: Should the U.S. continue Pres. Obama's policies? #Decision2016
12:58 PM - 1 Mar 2016
28 28 Retweets 20 20 likes

http://theobamadiary.com/2016/03/01/elections-matter-2/#comments

Cha

(295,929 posts)
126. Noooo.. in spite of all the unprecedented hate coming at them and getting blamed for everything
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:56 AM
Mar 2016

President Obama and Hillary are more popular than ever.. and their supporters couldn't be happier!



Mahalo Hekate~

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