No Hillary Clinton did NOT call Black Children "Super Predators"..

[Cha]

Thrilling ??@burdentruth
For all of you jumping on the "super predator" nonsense.... #ImWithHer
10:22 AM - 26 Feb 2016
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[font color=blue]Hillary's Group~Mahalo~

[stonecutter357]

1. Good morning Cha.

[Cha]

10. Good Mornin' Sunshine!

[MSMITH33156]

2. The whole thing was

out of context. Superpredators wasn't even a dog whistle at the time. It was later co-opted by the racists (aka Republicans) and became that.

I don't know if you saw Bill Maher's show last night, but he went off on BLM for going after Hillary.

(warning: profane language)

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-to-blacklivesmatter-hillarys-not-the-problem-you-fcking-idiots/

[Cha]

14. No, I didn't see it, MSSMITH.. thanks for the link.. but, would you mind

telling me why Maher went off on #BLM as a berni supporter?

Thank you!

[MSMITH33156]

18. He's a Bernie supporter

but he has said a million times he'll support Hillary if she wins. His point was essentially that if you want to address systemic racism, how is Hillary Clinton the place where you start? He talked about how 20% of Trump supporters were not in favor of the Emancipation Proclamation, etc.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

25. Your proof is a tweet from Tony Silva?

Who is Tony Silva, and why do you think this passes as evidence?

[anothergreenbus]

27. She's an activist.

So what. God bless her for having the courage to expose the dog-whistle racism in Clinton's statement. You did notice the "we could talk about that" in Clnton's statement. Well why doesn't she talk about that? Because the judgment is made and the black kids are predators, they are not even gangs. Her statement is de-contextualized deliberately to sound the dog-whistle. This is why black kids are being shot down in the streets today for nothing. It runs deep and can even be seen in our most idolized leaders.

[oasis]

44. Anyone who speaks out against gun toting murderers, armed robbers

and crack cocaine distributors will always meet with my approval. The language they use to get their message across is up to them.

[SharonClark]

68. You are in the Hillary Group

Please delete your post and respect the difference between a 'group' and a 'forum'.

[DURHAM D]

3. Apparently your post is a dirty tricks (sp????)-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511351224

[Cha]

15. Hmmm? So when is getting the facts out there "dirty tricks".

Mahalo for the heads up, Durham.. I never go to gdp.. I wouldn't have seen that.

[jtuck004]

4. So she views some black people as Super-Predators if they are of age? n/t

[Coolest Ranger]

7. You know what

at this point, they can attack. That's all they got left. I'm tired of their mess.

[Cha]

8. Why didn't you read the facts instead of asking a disingenuous question?

[Buzz Clik]

37. Read the OP. The answer you seek is cleverly hidden in the words.

[Cha]

46. lol thanks for the clues, Buzz

[BlueCaliDem]

54. NOT A SINGLE TIME did she mention skin color or race in that segment of her speech. I know. I saw

it. So saying that she called Black people "super predators" is a big, fat LIE and meant only to bring her down. People who don't do their research and watch the entire segment of that speech are buying into Republican propaganda. Don't fall for it...unless you're a Republican, that is.

[SharonClark]

69. You are in the Hillary Group

Please delete your post and respect the difference between a 'group' and a 'forum'.

[riversedge]

6. This is all so

sad.

[Cha]

12. Yes it is, rivers.

[carla]

9. She MOST assuredly DID

"They are not just gangs of KIDS anymore. They are often the KINDS OF KIDS that are called ‘super-predators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."


That is the exact quote so hide the facts if you must to make your candidate less damnable, but facts are facts and falsehoods are her stock in trade. "No conscience, no empathy" pretty much describes her. BLM!

[Cha]

11. No, Hillary didn't... please read the facts. Thank you.

[Coolest Ranger]

13. You know what let me clue you in as a black person

I was a young adult in the 90s, I remember the discussion of crime in the black community, was that crime bill perfect no? But we got tired of the violence then and many of us wanted it. So are you going to call me a bad person because there's this thing that I want call staying alive and not getting shot more important?

[Cha]

16. bernie sanders voted for the crime bill.

Sanders, unlike anyone else running, voted for the 1994 Violent Crime Control & Law Enforcement Act

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026757168

[downeastdaniel]

19. Gee, once again you are stopping a perfectly self-righteous rant by a host of Hillary supporters

With mere facts...the nerve of some people...(sarcasm...)

[Cha]

22. No, she's not and neither are you. The facts are present in the OP.. of course that's not going

to set well with those who aren't interested in what Hillary really said.

[72DejaVu]

26. "self righteous rant"

is just about the last thing any Sanders cultist ought to be saying to anyone else.

[BlueCaliDem]

56. Why are you equating gangs with Black people? That's a question you should ask yourself, carla.

Maybe it's you, not Hillary.

[SharonClark]

71. You are in the Hillary Group

Please delete your post and respect the difference between a 'group' and a 'forum'.

[SidDithers]

17. DU rec...nt

Sid

[mopinko]

20. from the headlines of the day-

this happened in chicago, for those of you who were not around in those scary days-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sandifer

[Jitter65]

23. Too late to change the meme. It's out there along with several other lies...so it is now truth. nt

[Cha]

24. It still doesn't hurt to get it out there.. It's never too late for facts.

Many people actually appreciate them. And, the ones who don't weren't going to vote for Hillary anyway.

jitter

[yallerdawg]

28. I'd pay to see Maher debate Trump!

It would definitely be on adult-oriented, pay-per-view, late-night cable!

[George II]

29. It boggles my mind that partisans could rewrite history and what people said for a few votes.

[Cha]

30. Yeah, I got a PM saying my OP was "illegal"..

[livetohike]

31. They are desperate and targeting every word Hillary ever uttered.

Too bad the vetting of Sanders isn't going to happen, but even if it did there are people on DU who wouldn't believe a word of it.

[Cha]

38. Yes, they're so desperate and it's not doing them any favors.

livetohike!

[yallerdawg]

32. A "private message"?

We need to have 'zero tolerance' standards at DU.

[Cha]

39. Yeah, it was weird.. do you see anything illegal? They said my "photoshop" was illegal..

I don't even know how to photoshop.

[yallerdawg]

42. I WISH you knew how to "photoshop"!

Just imagine...

[Cha]

43. I'd spend all

my time photoshopping. lol

poor guy.. looks like he's about to blow a gasket.

[yallerdawg]

45. This is the image I get...

when I google "Bernie Bro."



I'm just kidding, of course! I am not rude and insensitive, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

[Mendocino]

49. Is that

Chris Christie?

[Spazito]

75. LOL!

"illegal" in what universe!

Great OP, Cha!

[Cha]

85. It their universe, Spazito!

[Vote2016]

33. You should do one of these phony memes on Bosnian sniper fire, too

[Cha]

34. Sorry, you're wrong.. the OP is correct.

[SharonClark]

73. You are in the Hillary Group

Please delete your post and respect the difference between a 'group' and a 'forum'. BTW - welcome to DU since you joined only today.

[Buzz Clik]

35. That's no damned fun. Let's return to the bullshit.

[Sancho]

36. The term was used by lots of people in the 90's - part of a theory of crime.

Even thought the language was popular, the term "super predator" was described and popularized by a Princeton professor.
I remember it well. There was acknowledgement that minorities were recruited into gangs, but the super predators were the people who organized the gangs regardless of race or origin. The increasing crime rate was part of every election in the early to mid-90s.

http://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/27206_1.pdf

A professor of politics and public affairs on the political science faculty at Princeton University, John DiIulio, created and popularized the super- predator concept. He coined the term superpredator (1995b) to call public attention to what he characterized as a “new breed” of offenders, “kids that have absolutely no respect for human life and no sense of the future. . . . These are stone-cold predators!” (p. 23). Elsewhere, DiIulio and co-authors have described these young people as “fatherless, Godless, and jobless” and as “radically impulsive, brutally remorseless youngsters, including ever more teenage boys, who murder, assault, rob, burglarize, deal deadly drugs, join gun-toting gangs, and create serious disorders” (Bennett, DiIulio, & Walters, 1996, p. 27).
The superpredator myth gained further popularity when it was linked to forecasts by James Q. Wilson and John DiIulio of increased levels of juvenile violence. Wilson (1995) asserted that “by the end of decade there will be a million more people between the ages of 14 and 17 than there are now. . . . Six percent of them will become high rate, repeat offenders—thirty thousand more young muggers, killers and thieves than we have now. Get ready” (p. 507). DiIulio (1995a, p. 15) made the same prediction. Media portrayals of juvenile superpredators have created the impression that juveniles are most likely to be armed—heavily armed—and to use guns in attacks.

[Cha]

40. Thank you for that, Sancho

Like Hillary said.. she was sorry she used the wording then and wouldn't use it today.

It's over.

[yallerdawg]

47. Part one was get the criminals off the street.

Part two was let's fix what makes them criminals.

Republicans save their constituents money by only ever doing the part ones!

Then they tell us we don't have the money for the part twos!

[oasis]

48. Exactamundo!

[brer cat]

79. +1 nt

[Sancho]

80. there are lots of theories that caused the crime wave, and others as to why crime went down

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21582004-crime-plunging-rich-world-keep-it-down-governments-should-focus-prevention-not

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/11/24/10-not-entirely-crazy-theories-explaining-the-great-crime-decline#.f93cemysg

[Johnny2X2X]

41. Tsk tsk

Didn't you know, this site has changed its name to Bernie Sanders underground. Any defenses of the evil Hilary will be locked.

[NurseJackie]

50. Just served in a jury for this post ...

... I'll post the results here if it survives. Good luck!

[Cha]

51. I was waiting for that.. you get around on the juries don't you!?

[NurseJackie]

52. JURY RESULTS: 1-6 to LEAVE IT

On Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:11 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

No Hillary Clinton did NOT call Black Children "Super Predators"..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110757362

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This thread calls anyone that disagrees with the term superpredator a racist, including MANY people banned from this group who can not defend themselves. That's pretty much the definition of "hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate"

Super-predator as defined by everyone in 1995/1996 had literally nothing to do with people recruiting people into gangs. It was defined as children, with no morality or concept of right and wrong, that could not be rehabilitated and must be locked up. Full stop. Not gang members. Saying that people that use the word correctly are labelling all black people as gang members is dishonest, labels honest people as racist, and is extremely disruptive.

Please do the right thing and shut this down.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:19 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yes, the image is extremely dishonest in my opinion, and could be viewed as racist by using the black lives matter movement to support devastatingly racist policy. This is the Hillary group though, and they are allowed to post their favorable counter opinion regardless of if it matched with reality.

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see the "racist" part. It's dense and dumb ... like almost everything OP posts.... but hardly off the charts. es. for that "Group".

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is an abuse of the alert system.

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bernie supporter here. Also nothing alert-worthy here. Leave it.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Trying to get around being banned from a Group by sending an alert is an abuse of the alert system. This post does not do what is alleged; it is an opinion. It is appropriate to debate this view, but shutting it down is highly inappropriate. I support the other candidate, too.

Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: HRC Room

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[LAS14]

55. I'm glad for the vote, but that anyone would even...

... post an alert for this sane, civil observation is just nuts.

[Cha]

57. Ouch on #3!

I just got a PM from #6, too..

Wow.. all these Bernie supporters leaving it.. thanks guys!

Thank you, Jackie.. I was just waiting for the Boom to be lowered..

that's two you've had to post in as many days. Thank you!

[Bradical79]

58. Yes, it was confusing

I mean, I don't like the image, but I stared at it for a decent amount of time trying to figure out why a pro-Hillary graphic in the Hillary group would be alerted on. Drank some coffee, looked at it a bit more... nope, nothing. Alert trolling isn't cool, and if someone thinks posting this in the Hillary group is crossing some kind of line, I think they need to take a break from the keyboard and re-evaluate some things :-P I get mad and fired up on occasion myself, but alert trolling group posts is a step too far into crazytown for my liking.

[Cha]

59. Thank you, Bradical.. that's refreshing around here!

[Iliyah]

60. WTF? Why would this thread be alerted in?

Because it states facts.

[DesertRat]

83. Truth hurts

[LAS14]

53. Thank you! nt

[BainsBane]

61. I watched the recording this morning

There was no reference to African Americans or race at all.

[NurseJackie]

62. I didn't bother ... because I *KNEW* there wouldn't be.

[Surya Gayatri]

63. Kicked...this misleading meme needs to be shot down with a vengeance.

The anti-Clinton faction are using this in a thoroughly disingenuous fashion.

Patently obvious, in context, that she was talking about the need to curtail DRUG GANG violence, whatever the race of the perpetrators.

"Bring them to heel" = GET THE VIOLENCE UNDER CONTROL

[Cha]

64. Mahalo, Surya!

[Surya Gayatri]

65. Hey, you! Good news a-comin' later today!

[Cha]

67. It's finally here!

[BlueMTexpat]

66. Thanks, Cha, and mahalo!

Great post! I kicked, but somehow my "like" disappeared!

[Cha]

72. Thank you, Blue! It survived a jury and everything!

[mgmaggiemg]

70. reason will triumph

election hysteria will not....HRC 2016! Cheers, Maggie

[ismnotwasm]

74. K&R

[Tarheel_Dem]

76. Well I guess context really does matter afterall. Someone please let Cornel West know.

[Cha]

86. Why bother.. he doesn't care. the strategy of tearing down Hillary in South Carolina

didn't work, Tarheel!

Paul Begala
✔ ??@PaulBegala
This is @HillaryClinton at her best. Speaking as a mother who weeps for moms who lost their children; quoting Scripture, calling for love.

3:02 PM - 27 Feb 2016
193 193 Retweets 322 322 likes

[Tarheel_Dem]

87. Cornel's support might have even backfired. I can't think of many AA "thought leaders" who are....

more reviled in the AA community right now. His utter contempt and disrespect for Pres. Obama has been on display for two terms now, and I think there's some leftover resentment toward CW that won't be remedied in the near future. Some brave DU'er (might have been bravenak) predicted that CW would not help BS in the AA community. Whoever it was, hit the nail on the head.

After today's huge walloping in SC, I expect many more prominent AA's to make their support of HRC, public.

[Cha]

88. I know it backfired.. I was one of those peeps who predicted, too. BS' whole strategy

has been to diss President Obama and Hillary. Well, he couldn't have chosen a more suitable surrogate than cornel west and killer mike for that matter.

And, as we can see .. Black Folks are just too smart to be bamboozled. We've seen it in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and now South Carolina.. where Hillary got a huge majority of the African American Vote.

I can't wait!

[Gothmog]

77. Great post

[UtahLib]

78. K&R for once again uncovering the truth. nt

[brer cat]

81. K&R

[DesertRat]

82. Mahalo, Cha k&r

[Lil Missy]

84. Yes, we know that. But the only way they can win an argument is to make shit up. n/t

[SunSeeker]

89. K & R

[oNobodyo]

90. It was a common term at the time and didn't have anything to do with race.

The term "super predator" had literally nothing to do with race, Clinton didn't invent it and it was in wide use among "experts" and the media at the time.

"A professor of politics and public affairs on the political science faculty at Princeton University, John DiIulio, created and popularized the superpredator concept. He coined the term superpredator (1995b) to call public attention to what he characterized as a “new breed” of offenders, “kids that have absolutely no respect for human life and no sense of the future. . . .

These are stone-cold predators!” (p. 23). Elsewhere, DiIulio and co-authors have described these young people as “fatherless, Godless, and jobless” and as “radically impulsive, brutally remorseless youngsters, including ever more teenage boys, who murder, assault, rob, burglarize, deal deadly drugs, join gun-toting gangs, and create serious [linked] disorders” (Bennett, DiIulio, & Walters, 1996, p. 27)."

http://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/27206_1.pdf

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

91. Good one Cha

Thanks for sharing.

[Cha]

92. You're Welcome, Yo Mama!

[sheshe2]

93. So sorry I missed this.

Excellent post!

Thanks Cha.

[Cha]

94. You're here now!

Mahalo, she~

Yay, Hillary getting her Welcome home in New York! I saw you on thread.. Fantastic!