Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forum"The vagina and uterus swipes have got to stop: Killer Mike’s “uterus” comment about Hillary hurts
All Women."Saying "a uterus doesnt qualify you to be" prez calls all women's achievements into question, not just Clinton's
You dont have to like Hillary Clinton, but its simply and demonstrably untrue that she has never accomplished anything in her life but growing a uterus. This should seem obvious, and yet these body part-obsessed accusations of female unworthiness have become a standard issue Bernie Bro jab on social media. And now the has-a-vagina-but-nothing-else-to-offer claim has been elevated to the actual Bernie Sanders campaign, courtesy of rapper Killer Mike.
At a campaign event for Sanders, Killer Mike made a lengthy speech where he casually argued that a uterus doesnt qualify you to be president of the United States. Its something that female Clinton supporters get to hear every day, especially if they dare poke their heads out on Twitter or Facebook, and it continues to be a confirmation of nothing but the sexism of the person spouting this stupid line.
Its really a double-edged sword of sexist cruelty, both reducing Clinton to her gender and insulting the intelligence of the woman on the receiving end of this slur by assuming that she, being some dumb broad, just mechanically sees another lady and goes, Me vote lady!
Its such a dumb swipe that its impossible to believe anyone who levels this accusation could actually mean it. Surely the vagina-accusing masses realize that Clinton supporters do not, for instance, support female politicians like Sarah Palin or Carly Fiorina. The sheer self-refuting stupidity of this insult is no doubt why Sanders himself is careful to avoid saying anything like this, instead making a point that hes fully aware that Clinton is an accomplished politician who has a lot to recommend her besides her gender.
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But the vagina and uterus swipes at Clinton have got to stop. Fine, if you want to hurt her, its petty and childish and illogical, but go ahead, have at it. Shes a politician and she can take it. Taking peoples uncalled-for vitriol is part of the job.
But the sexism isnt just about hurting Clinton. When you accuse Clinton of having no value outside of a vagina and a uterus, that hurts all women.
More~
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/17/the_vagina_and_uterus_swipes_have_got_to_stop_killer_mikes_uterus_comment_about_hillary_hurts_all_women/
Amy Siskind ?@Amy_Siskind
Bernie was standing next to Killer Mike tonight at Morehouse College as he delivered his insightful remarks, and said nothing. #ImWithHer
6:06 PM - 16 Feb 2016
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http://theobamadiary.com/2016/02/17/young-minds-matter/#comments
[font color=blue]Hillary's Group~Mahalo~[/font]
On the up side, however, is the fact that these comments don't exactly enamor Sanders to women...and to men, like myself, who find commentary like this unacceptable.
So this very dark cloud has some silver lining. However minor.
Cha
(297,143 posts)Total silver lining.. if that's the way they want to be.
And, thank you and all men who can see that so easily, Treant.
Even hard to believe we're having this conversation!
My mother owned a construction business back in the 1980's. I've been quite used to strong women for ages now.
We should point out that my mother does not like Clinton, but she detests Trump, Rubio, Cruz, and Jeb. I still have 8 months left to work on her.
Cha
(297,143 posts)Thank you!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)taken seriously in this mainly male-dominated country. And the fact that Sanders stood right next to KM when he spewed that sexist crap and said nothing speaks of his integrity. It is outrageous!
& rec'd, Cha!
Cha
(297,143 posts)for the GE, BlueCali!
Thank you so much.. very well said as Always!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Now I'm hearing that the GOP has sent out emails and tweets encouraging their voters to switch Parties in Nevada on Feb. 20th to vote for a Democrat. Needless to say which one they want defeated. Ralston reports:
The question is whether this goes viral or whether it affects only a few voters. I assume the latter -- there will be a fear factor -- but it's impossible to predict.
> Please forward to family and friends and fellow GOP caucus goers.
>
> I was able to confirm through a former Secretary of State elections official as well as a former County Clerk. Both said and confirmed that Republicans can show up on Saturday, February 20th and register as a Democrat if you have a burning desire. Then still be eligible to participate to caucus on Tuesday for GOP candidate of choice.
>
> What was also confirmed. The caucuses are NOT a state sanctioned election, the caucus is conducted by both parties. So this is NOT illegal and you will be arrested or fined. So put that rumor to rest.
>
> Some call this idea silly but the reality is, with low turnout the Democrat caucus is going to close and every little bit is going to help.
>
> Again, here are the details/loophole of how this is possible:
The media should all be reporting on this! Why haven't they?
Cha
(297,143 posts)The m$m wants a repub and the easiest way for that to happen is for BS in the GE.
Not. gonna. happen.
We're good!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)Just another "politician" who doesn't sound very "revolutionary" to me.
Cha
(297,143 posts)Thank you so much Tarheel!
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)after another. All his team cared about was whether a 50-plus- year- old photo of a white guy talking to a group of his fellow white college students in the safety of a campus administration building, surrounded by their textbooks and apparently on a break between classes, was or was not their "Champion of the People". Bernie just stands by and lets it all happen, a case study in passive aggressive hostility. Even John McCain had the guts to correct the woman who made a bigoted statement about Obama at one of his campaign events.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)msongs
(67,395 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Yet for our entire history dick and balls made it to the WH. I don't think that is just a coincidence.
(Did I go too far?)
Cha
(297,143 posts)snot
(10,520 posts)(I've asked repeatedly): what are Hillary's accomplishments?
Cha
(297,143 posts)accomplished you wouldn't acknowledge them.
So just let killer mike speak for all.. it's going over so well in the reality based community.
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stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)by now, it is because you really aren't interested, haven't bothered to pay attention, are determined not to be convinced no matter what they are, are baiting HRC supporters, or all of the above. The mere fact that you come to the HCG to snark demonstrates that.
Several HRC supporters, including me, have courteously and politely posted accomplishments galore in GD-P, complete with links. We are either ignored, put down, or called "pathetic" and "lame" or worse, so I'm not playing those games any more.
The "Google" is your friend. You could begin with Wiki and move on from there. That is, if you really ARE interested.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)I have yet to see an answer.
Well... she would be the first woman president... so there's that.
Hekate
(90,644 posts)Hekate
(90,644 posts)pandr32
(11,579 posts)It has been tough to listen to these sexist jabs.
Lots of people have said that women shouldn't vote with their vaginas, including one Susan Sarandon. The thing is women (at least many of them) know what a hardship sexism is for the female gender, and watching the most qualified candidate running for POTUS having to deal with relentless sexism and still fight to continue on and get her message out there makes her even more appealing to those who get it--at least it should. It's a whole nother layer of qualification--placing her even higher above the others.
Thank you!
Cha
(297,143 posts)Not just trying to hurt Hillary but All Women.. you ****** ****!
I can't even watch.. it's bad enough just to read them.. I would literally scream at the screen.
It does have to stop.. for all women's sake.. and he's as usual not doing his campaign any service.
Thank you.. I'm glad you see it like this.. me too!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)I suppose when I cast my vote for Hillary in my state primary that it will have devolved even further. Not only will my uterus and vagina be voting, but so will my fallopian tubes! And ovaries! So, by doing the math, then I should be able to cast six votes, yes?
NOT a stab at our candidate, just to be clear.
It's a logical progression, you see. The human who owns the uterus casts the vote. The uterus casts the vote. So, right there, are TWO votes. Add the vagina, that's now THREE.
I detest this sort of rhetoric which reduces women to their reproductive organs. We are so much MORE than that. That Sanders defended the remark by not SAYING ANYTHING against it, speaks volumes to me. Yes, I say that was a defense. Why call Killer Mike on his sexist remarks? After all, Sanders himself didn't say it, even though he was RIGHT THERE when he DID. If this man truly has the best interests of women in mind in his campaign, he should have stood up and stopped the bullshit at his own rally.
Do you know why my millennial daughter, who started out as a Sanders supporter is now a Clinton supporter? I'll tell you why. The more she researched Mr. Sanders, the more she saw that he is really not the champion we need, as women. She said, flat out, that he doesn't support her own values and views, as evidenced by his own political record in Congress. Further, as a lesbian, she sees CLINTON as the candidate who will move things forward, not Sanders. When she started on her road of discovery in to the candidates, I simply asked her to research a bit more. She did. The results of her research were a change in who she supports. Yet, when it comes time for her to cast her vote?
It's the UTERUS!
Cha
(297,143 posts)BS has responded to killermike and his "uterus" accusations.. he says it's the media's fault and gotcha politics.
Now where have we heard that stock excuse before?
Do you know why my millennial daughter, who started out as a Sanders supporter is now a Clinton supporter? I'll tell you why. The more she researched Mr. Sanders, the more she saw that he is really not the champion we need, as women. She said, flat out, that he doesn't support her own values and views, as evidenced by his own political record in Congress. Further, as a lesbian, she sees CLINTON as the candidate who will move things forward, not Sanders. When she started on her road of discovery in to the candidates, I simply asked her to research a bit more. She did. The results of her research were a change in who she supports. Yet, when it comes time for her to cast her vote?
I did not know that.. thank you for sharing. You have one smart daughter there. I wish my son and one of my sister's would do the same. Research him.. do not fall for the angry soundbytes!
Mahalo DemonGoddess!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I think the Bernie camp should continue to defend him when he does make stupid remarks. I think Bernie Sanders should drag Killer Mike to every rally, every town hall and every debate and continue putting him out there as a spokesperson. I want Killer Mike right up front so people can see and hear him loudly. At the end of the day, it only helps Hillary.
Cha
(297,143 posts)Tanuki
(14,918 posts)groundbreaking accomplishments of our party's front-runner and demeaning her and her supporters in the most disgusting sexist terms. Worthy of Karl Rove and Lee Atwater themselves, actually, but it won't work. Mr. Sanders and Killer Mike, get your Rove-eries off my ovaries!
But if you insist, and that's how even the most exceptionally qualified woman rates with you, let me make it clear, that in my brain and in my heart and everything else, in this particular instance, I'm with HER--->>>
Cha
(297,143 posts)to reduce her to a woman's most private parts.
I can't even imagine the mind set to make them think that was alright. It shows desperation of a monumental level. I can only imagine what President Obama and First Lady Michelle think of sanders and his entourage of killermike and cornel west.
Mahalo for a most riveting post, Tanuki!
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Blaming it on the media and whining about "gotcha politics" was right out of the GOP playbook.
Cha
(297,143 posts)I know it is.. not the first time.
Thank you, DejaVu
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)Cha
(297,143 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)You know that mentioning them mentioning our unmentionables is not allowed! We're not allowed to play the gender card! All card playing is sinful, as my Calvinist grandma always told me!
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BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)no sexist antipathy towards Hillary.
Such statements reek of little else, whether they emanate from men or from women.
Cha
(297,143 posts)I think they're in for a rude awakening. that's right!
Gracias!
riversedge
(70,186 posts)K an R
More~
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/17/the_vagina_and_uterus_swipes_have_got_to_stop_killer_mikes_uterus_comment_about_hillary_hurts_all_women/
Amy Siskind ?@Amy_Siskind
Bernie was standing next to Killer Mike tonight at Morehouse College as he delivered his insightful remarks, and said nothing. #ImWithHer
6:06 PM - 16 Feb 2016
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Cha
(297,143 posts)Hillary on feminist issues!
Thank you so much!
Spazito
(50,290 posts)Remaining silent indicates approval and that is what Bernie did. He had the perfect opportunity to speak forcefully against this sexist attack and chose not to.
Cha
(297,143 posts)gotcha politics".. stock retorts from those who won't take responsibility.
It's pathetic, Spazito.. he's his own worst enemy.
Gracias!
Spazito
(50,290 posts)shouting the slur and remaining silent. Appalling, absolutely appalling, imo.
Cha
(297,143 posts)Must be an instant gratification thing. Not concerned about any future consequences.
Spazito
(50,290 posts)in this day and age. One would have hoped reducing women to a 'vagina' and a 'uterus' would have been tossed in the dustbin of history where it belongs.
Cha
(297,143 posts)We're moving forward.. you stay back if that's where you 're comfortable.
brer cat
(24,559 posts)That's the excuse, but KM thought it was worth trumpeting at a rally so he owns it and now so does Bernie.
Cha
(297,143 posts)There's not enough pretzel talk in the world to get him out of that.
They both need to apologize and moveon.. like he did with datagate.. only don't sue them afterwards.
Thank you, brer cat.. Amanda Marcotte makes a compelling case why this hurts all women not just Hillary.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Pure Bernie bros......SMH
Cha
(297,143 posts)woman to her "uterus" and he's done it to all women.
Mahalo working~
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)to stoop to this level.
Cha
(297,143 posts)not a pretty sight.
mcar
(42,302 posts)So much for a campaign of ideas.
Cha
(297,143 posts)Hillary.. yeah, because that always works.
Thank you, mcar~
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The second Bernie started running, all the right wing lies and hate came roaring out of the gutter mouths of the Bernie bros like a sewer.
Ideas my ass.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It's not about supporting Hillary because she is a woman.
For a great many Americans, it is about supporting Hillary despite her being a woman!
That's where they need to do the self-checking!
Cha
(297,143 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2016/02/17/i-dread-what-will-happen-when-america-finally-elects-a-woman-president/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_headlines
Cha
(297,143 posts)less dishonorable because she's reducing all women to their private parts.
It doesn't matter the source.. killermike said it and BS just stood there.
It speaks to their scheming and says absolutely nothing about Hillary.
I swear bern's his own worst enemy.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Of all the politicians in the world he could compare her too, and he picks one that is not even from this country. Since they both have/had uteruses, I guess it was close enough
Cha
(297,143 posts)Gracias wildeyed.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)He was 30 when he wrote his infamous "Rape Fantasy Essay" telling girls if they didn't have sex & orgasms they would get cancer.
He's apparantly surrounded himself with the same sexists that are of such ignorance.
Gloria Steinem was correct also, with proof in the newfound bernie sanders hook-up site.
Its all about sex with the bernie following, apparently.
Steinem was right.
The truth rises like cream, to the top.
perverted & sick
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Now, are they voting with their p. . . . huh?
The attack on HRC's and women's genitalia is sickening.
Cha
(297,143 posts)Nobody couldn't even think of doing the damage they do to themselves.
Gracias!
MADem
(135,425 posts)when electing Presidents for the past two hundred PLUS years!!!!
It is sexist, and it sucks, what's happening with all this Lady Parts Language.
And you-know-who, he LETS it happen. He plays the "above the fray" game, but he's like the Godfather, who never gets blood on HIS hands....he just orders the hits.
He could stop this shit, he chooses to not so do.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Watching the crap that's being done against Hillary Clinton - including the data breach - tells me that's spot on.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)more than Ted Devine. I am so sick of the self-righteousness and hypocrisy of sending the usual hacks out to do the usual dirty work and then pretending to be some sort of secular saint.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Devine, and that comic book salesman Weaver.
They make Rove look like a choirboy.
Cha
(297,143 posts)with the rest of his bros.
Thank you, MADem~
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)+++++++++++
sheshe2
(83,743 posts)That Bernie's silence was telling. He fully approved KM's message.
This hurts all women and I hope they are listening to the full impact of that message.
K&R
Thanks Cha.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)He's running a new barrage of ads here in Nevada expounding on how he's always been supportive of women. Blech. We are trying to remind the voters here just who has been a lifelong advocate, and who is the recent Democrat that doesn't get to co-op our core issues just because a D appears on the ballot by his name.
I'm always thankful to you Cha & sheshe2.
sheshe2
(83,743 posts)You have been missed, though none of us are here like we use to be. To toxic.
The ads he is running are dishonest after standing beside KM in silence when ALL WOMEN were so disrespected at a Bernie rally.
Thanks for your words
Cha
(297,143 posts)When Sanders was my opponent he focused like a laser beam on class analysis, in which womens issues were essentially a distraction from more important issues. He urged voters not to vote for me just because I was a woman. That would be a sexist position, he declared.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html
Now he has killer mike to "take dumb swipes" at Hillary.
Mahalo, she
Only saw your mail when I got home tonight.
Cha
(297,143 posts)you wouldn't see it at all buried under an avalanche of Blocks!
Thank you, she.. I knew you'd find this a very important article.. I like the way she pointed out that it hurts All Women by taking "dumb swipes" at them.
It's despicable and I can't wait until it backfires big time.