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Cha

(296,861 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:48 AM Feb 2016

Sanders squandered his lead while Clinton shone at the latest debate

Much more.. It's a great analysis.. But, I can only do so many snips so you'll have to go to the linky!..
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/12/bernie-sanders-squandered-lead-hillary-clinton-democratic-debate

In what was easily her strongest debate performance in recent memory – and arguably her strongest since the campaign began – Hillary Clinton was calm, cool and collected at Thursday night’s debate.

snip//

It was as tone-deaf a line as any all night and, worse yet, it may have reminded Clinton of another line of attack she’d prepared in advance. In an MSNBC interview earlier on Thursday, Sanders had criticized President Obama’s failure to connect with Congress, saying in an interview with MSNBC, “There’s a huge gap right now between Congress and the American people. ... What presidential leadership is about [is] closing that gap.”

From a political analyst’s perspective, it’s a completely valid criticism – but when you’re running in a Democratic primary with an extremely popular Democratic president, it is, well, a weird move.

And Clinton didn’t let him – or the audience – forget about that or other critiques of the president, pivoting near the end of evening to Sander’s frequent criticism of Obama. “I want to follow up on something having to do with leadership” she said, “because, you know, today Senator Sanders said that President Obama failed the presidential leadership test. And this is not the first time.”

Then, without changing her even tone in the slightest, Clinton launched her most vicious attack on Sanders of the debate, running down a list of the times Sanders had called the president “weak” and “a disappointment”. She ended with, “I don’t think [Obama] gets the credit he deserves.”

snip//

The argument over Obama’s legacy is one that Clinton’s campaign has been wanting to have with Sanders for some time, and Sanders set her up for an easy hit. Viewers at home watching the candidates on a split screen could see Sanders huffing and puffing as Clinton spoke, laughing angrily to himself and scribbling notes as she spoke. He clearly hadn’t been expecting that line of attack, though he might well have anticipated it. When he finally did get time to respond, he told the woman whom he’d earlier all but accused of accepting campaign donations in direct exchange for political favors that repeating his own words “was a low blow”, indignantly and with no cool whatsoever.

Much more.. It's a great analysis.. But, I can only do so many snips so you'll have to go to the linky!..
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/12/bernie-sanders-squandered-lead-hillary-clinton-democratic-debate

KMOD~http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5659

"Failure to connect with Congress".. when everyone knows that the repubs vowed on election night to obstruct anything proposed by the President. they were not only going to not help him.. they would hurt him by any means necessary.

President Obama got Obamacare passed in 2009 with him and Kucinich voting for it.. how is that not connecting? With not one vote from a repub.



[font color=blue]Hillary's Group~Mahalo~[/font]
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Sanders squandered his lead while Clinton shone at the latest debate (Original Post) Cha Feb 2016 OP
Excellent analysis DesertRat Feb 2016 #1
Yes, I like this one the best so far.. I appreciate the points the writer highlighted. Cha Feb 2016 #4
Hillary did a great job last night. She is loyal to our President and I'm so proud that she livetohike Feb 2016 #2
Is this not like the weirdest scenario, livetohike?! Hillary says it well in this #demdebate Tweet. Cha Feb 2016 #5
Exactly! You would NEVER see that in a Republican debate. livetohike Feb 2016 #10
He should be touting the President's Accomplishments.. instead he chose Cha Feb 2016 #12
Thank you Hillary bravenak Feb 2016 #3
This is so great, brave.. How ironic that the two opponents in 2008 would get to be such Cha Feb 2016 #8
Low blow?!?! bravenak Feb 2016 #9
Yes! Those are the buzz words now.. Hillary repeating BS's words back to him is a "low Blow".. Cha Feb 2016 #11
Oooops! I just saw another Tweet quoting Hillary.. I have to post.. Cha Feb 2016 #16
Ha ha haha!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #19
Yes, and notice katmille Feb 2016 #41
She's in total control on the debate stage 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #44
K&R! Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #6
I know.. finally someone vividly writes about this.. Cha Feb 2016 #14
I thought this one was her best one so far. n/t Lil Missy Feb 2016 #7
His affectations on that split screen were troubling Rose Siding Feb 2016 #13
Exactly Rose.. calm, cool, confident and collected.. like Hillary and our current one.. Cha Feb 2016 #15
Yeah, I can't see him mugging it up somehow either Rose Siding Feb 2016 #20
OMG! I LOVE that image, Cha! That adoring expression on that sweet-pea's face is priceless! BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #26
There! That's what I'm talkin' about! "..sweet pea face..".. awesome description Cha Feb 2016 #27
Aw, mahalo, Cha! It just popped in my head when I saw the little angel's cherubic face. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #32
Yeah, I noticed the SS guy looking, too, BlueCali.. Cha Feb 2016 #34
Scary looking, aren't they? President O is tall but man! That guy beside him towers BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #35
POTUS and babies! mcar Feb 2016 #38
I agree. I like the cool, collected candidates. Obama is definitely like that. Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2016 #21
What would she need to do "to work to convince people" on that? Rose Siding Feb 2016 #23
Not mess up at all from now on basically. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2016 #43
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Feb 2016 #40
Was it me, or did Bernie actually bark with dismay at one point? Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #17
I haven't seen it, Starry.. just enjoying all the tweets and analysis from those Cha Feb 2016 #22
here's the pitch, and a swing: AND A DEEP DRIVE WAY BACK!!! IF ITS FAIR, ITS GONE!!!! GusBob Feb 2016 #18
Knocked it outta the park, she did! Cha Feb 2016 #25
You Betcha! GusBob Feb 2016 #31
LOl Cha Feb 2016 #33
It was awesome! pandr32 Feb 2016 #24
Hi pandr! Cha Feb 2016 #28
Hi back! pandr32 Feb 2016 #36
Sanders applies his purity test to Obama comradebillyboy Feb 2016 #29
Well said, comradebillyboy! Cha Feb 2016 #30
This analysis is spot on mcar Feb 2016 #37
Gracias, mcar! Cha Feb 2016 #48
Thanks for finding and posting, Cha. Surya Gayatri Feb 2016 #39
Not even in the same league. Cha Feb 2016 #49
BS is about to hit a wall of "closed" primaries that will put down his revolution FOR GOOD! The... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #42
Kick & very highly recommended! William769 Feb 2016 #45
Hey William~ Cha Feb 2016 #46
Great article, Cha! Thanks for the post! SunSeeker Feb 2016 #47
I loved it, too, SunSeeker~ Cha Feb 2016 #50
Great read, Cha. brer cat Feb 2016 #51
She got him good, brer.. just by being calm, cool, and effective.. for some reason that Cha Feb 2016 #52

Cha

(296,861 posts)
4. Yes, I like this one the best so far.. I appreciate the points the writer highlighted.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:00 AM
Feb 2016

thank you, DesertRat!

livetohike

(22,124 posts)
2. Hillary did a great job last night. She is loyal to our President and I'm so proud that she
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:54 AM
Feb 2016

stood up for him. There was one Democrat on that stage last night.

Cha

(296,861 posts)
5. Is this not like the weirdest scenario, livetohike?! Hillary says it well in this #demdebate Tweet.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:08 AM
Feb 2016
Hillary Clinton
✔ ?@HillaryClinton
President Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves. His accomplishments shouldn't be up for debate at a #DemDebate.
5:49 PM - 11 Feb 2016
1,618 1,618 Retweets 3,227 3,227 likes Hillary!

Mahalo!

Key Word "Accomplishments" berni..

livetohike

(22,124 posts)
10. Exactly! You would NEVER see that in a Republican debate.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:28 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders is not a Democrat. I don't care what he calls himself these days.

Cha

(296,861 posts)
12. He should be touting the President's Accomplishments.. instead he chose
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:36 AM
Feb 2016

to take the whining road.. nit picking because President Obama couldn't get the repubs to compromise.. and whatever other hogwash he's going on about.

But, berni could.

Uh huh!

Cha

(296,861 posts)
8. This is so great, brave.. How ironic that the two opponents in 2008 would get to be such
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:19 AM
Feb 2016

great admirers of each other and Hillary needing to defend the President @ a #demdebate from the other guy running.. fascinating.

"Sanders set her up for an easy hit. Viewers at home watching the candidates on a split screen could see Sanders huffing and puffing as Clinton spoke, laughing angrily to himself and scribbling notes as she spoke. He clearly hadn’t been expecting that line of attack, though he might well have anticipated it. When he finally did get time to respond, he told the woman whom he’d earlier all but accused of accepting campaign donations in direct exchange for political favors that repeating his own words “was a low blow”, indignantly and with no cool whatsoever."

Hillary Clinton
✔ ?@HillaryClinton
President Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves. His accomplishments shouldn't be up for debate at a #DemDebate.
5:49 PM - 11 Feb 2016
1,618 1,618 Retweets 3,227 3,227 likes Hillary!

http://theobamadiary.com/2016/02/11/tweet-of-the-day-24/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=45919

Thank you!

Cha

(296,861 posts)
11. Yes! Those are the buzz words now.. Hillary repeating BS's words back to him is a "low Blow"..
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:31 AM
Feb 2016

And, from that campaign .. it makes perfect sense.

Cha

(296,861 posts)
16. Oooops! I just saw another Tweet quoting Hillary.. I have to post..
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:02 AM
Feb 2016
Spandan @ TPV ?@thepeoplesview
Hillary: I would expect the type of Obama-Bashing Sanders is doing from Republicans, not someone seeking D nomination. #DemDebate
5:46 PM - 11 Feb 2016
25 25 Retweets 15 15 likes

http://theobamadiary.com/2016/02/12/early-morning-chat/

And, she gets to say that without fear of getting a hide.

katmille

(213 posts)
41. Yes, and notice
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:52 PM
Feb 2016

that she didn't say "not a Democrat" BUT "not someone seeking the Democratic nomination."
She is just so cool!
And I loved her consistent, calm, presidential manner.
Go Hillary!!

Stuckinthebush

(10,841 posts)
6. K&R!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:08 AM
Feb 2016

Love this:

The argument over Obama’s legacy is one that Clinton’s campaign has been wanting to have with Sanders for some time, and Sanders set her up for an easy hit. Viewers at home watching the candidates on a split screen could see Sanders huffing and puffing as Clinton spoke, laughing angrily to himself and scribbling notes as she spoke.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
13. His affectations on that split screen were troubling
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:44 AM
Feb 2016

All over the place, really. I think a president is going to need a poker face.

Cha

(296,861 posts)
15. Exactly Rose.. calm, cool, confident and collected.. like Hillary and our current one..
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016


http://theobamadiary.com/2016/02/12/early-morning-chat/

Sorry, just saw it and couldn't resist.

Thank you, Rose~

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
26. OMG! I LOVE that image, Cha! That adoring expression on that sweet-pea's face is priceless!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

President Obama's "zen" aura even touches the tiniest hearts and the tiniest of souls.

Cha

(296,861 posts)
27. There! That's what I'm talkin' about! "..sweet pea face..".. awesome description
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

BlueCali.. I felt like making an OP just for them! They're so freaking Adorable!

That's it.. it's President Obama's Zen aura touching his little heart and soul.. and he looks so damn cut in his little suit!

I just want to jump through time and cyberspace and kiss his little cheek.

thank you for the proper reaction!

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
32. Aw, mahalo, Cha! It just popped in my head when I saw the little angel's cherubic face.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:39 PM
Feb 2016

Babies just LOVE President Obama, and it shows time and again. And I definitely share that sentiment with you - I would've loved to jump through time and cyberspace to just give that little darling a kiss on sweet cheek - - just before the Secret Service men drag my arse away, that is.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
35. Scary looking, aren't they? President O is tall but man! That guy beside him towers
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:56 PM
Feb 2016

over him by a head, at least!

Yep. President Obama loves babies - and the love is clearly mutual.

Mahalo for giving my first smile of the day - as always.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
21. I agree. I like the cool, collected candidates. Obama is definitely like that.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:39 AM
Feb 2016

Obama can keep his shit together. I remember McCain looked like such a hot head at times back when he was running against Obama. I think a good leader can keep their emotions under control. We don't need a president that is going to fly off the handle and piss of some other world leader. One of the things that Hillary will probably have to work to convince people in the general election, if she gets there, is that she isn't going to be all emotional. There is of course a stereo type out there that women are too emotional to be good leaders. I think that is utter bull shit. People seem to over look the emotional guy. Yeah, it is OK for them. They are just passionate or fired up or upset. If a women is emotional... she's hormonal.. who knows what she's going to do next. Watch out!!!

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
23. What would she need to do "to work to convince people" on that?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:48 AM
Feb 2016

What would that look like, beyond what we know of her already? What more would we expect of her to prove she's not "too emotional"?

I think this should do it


and of course


Beyond that screw 'em because they're trying to not be convinced.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
40. ^^^This!^^^
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016
Yeah, it is OK for them. They are just passionate or fired up or upset. If a women is emotional... she's hormonal.. who knows what she's going to do next. Watch out!!!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
17. Was it me, or did Bernie actually bark with dismay at one point?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

She stripped his tripes. It was a thing of beauty.

Cha

(296,861 posts)
22. I haven't seen it, Starry.. just enjoying all the tweets and analysis from those
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:48 AM
Feb 2016

who have right now.

Mahalo!

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
18. here's the pitch, and a swing: AND A DEEP DRIVE WAY BACK!!! IF ITS FAIR, ITS GONE!!!!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

HOME RUN!!!!! HOLY COW FOLKS

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
29. Sanders applies his purity test to Obama
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:24 PM
Feb 2016

and Hillary calls him on it very effectively. She really scored with the 'one issue candidate' critique as well. Nice find Cha.

Cha

(296,861 posts)
30. Well said, comradebillyboy!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:31 PM
Feb 2016

sanders should apply his purity test to himself.

I know .. finally what we've all been saying and thinking about his "one issue&quot even though it's important.. it's not end all) gets highlighted front and center.

Mahalo

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
39. Thanks for finding and posting, Cha.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

This description of the Bern is S0 spot on:

Viewers at home watching the candidates on a split screen could see Sanders huffing and puffing as Clinton spoke, laughing angrily to himself and scribbling notes as she spoke.
...
he told the woman whom he’d earlier all but accused of accepting campaign donations in direct exchange for political favors that repeating his own words “was a low blow”, indignantly and with no cool whatsoever.



NOT presidential AT ALL.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
42. BS is about to hit a wall of "closed" primaries that will put down his revolution FOR GOOD! The...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

analysis is absolutely correct. Pres. Obama is hugely popular within the party, and especially with minority voters. Attacking him, just as viciously as the Republicans, turns my stomach.

Before the primaries began, I was simply indifferent to BS. I now find myself despising him.

brer cat

(24,524 posts)
51. Great read, Cha.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:35 PM
Feb 2016

I have to add the great summation:

It was, instead, her opponent who made the mistake – repeatedly this debate – of being too quick to anger and allowing his feelings to affect his answers. Clinton, who can hardly express an emotion in public without her ability to lead being called into question, didn’t have that luxury, and she didn’t try to indulge in it.


I hope the Berniebros can feel that burn!

Cha

(296,861 posts)
52. She got him good, brer.. just by being calm, cool, and effective.. for some reason that
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:49 PM
Feb 2016

seem to make him angrier.

I like this blurb from the NYT..

Winners and losers from the 6th Democratic presidential debate

"Then there was Sanders's insistence that he would be better on race relations than Obama, a slip that you can be sure that the Clinton campaign will make sure African American voters hear about (and then hear about some more) in the coming days and weeks."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/winners-and-losers-from-the-6th-democratic-presidential-debate/ar-BBppnx8?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U142DHP

Fla Dem~http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=46222

Of course it wasn't a "slip" and he should be called on his arrogance.

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