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Why it is critical that HRC wins in 2016 (Original Post) Gothmog Apr 2015 OP
Amen! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #1
Sorry is this one of those twitter or facebook things? But agreement with title of OP, so I'll rec. freshwest Apr 2015 #2
If people who don't like Hillary don't vote these could all turn red -- FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE! Kablooie Apr 2015 #3
A very good reason indeed. It will be necessary to take Congress back also. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #4
Not really Gothmog Apr 2015 #6
The senate confirms the SCOTUS nominations. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #7
Yes, the Senate confirms Gothmog Apr 2015 #8
With a Democratic Senate can allow for a more liberal judge getting confirmed, we need more Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #9
We should be able to retake the Senate in 2016 Gothmog Apr 2015 #10
... William769 Apr 2015 #5
Excellent post! Critical indeed.. asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #11
Absolutely. N/T nirvana555 Apr 2015 #12
For what it's worth... the wonderful admins OKNancy Apr 2015 #21
I would love to know which ones! MoonRiver Apr 2015 #23
Why isn't Kennedy circled? Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #13
Yeah but the others are more obvious choices, I think. calimary Apr 2015 #14
I think that Kennedy will retire within the next 8 years Gothmog Apr 2015 #19
It is critical that the Democratic nominee wins in 2016 DFW Apr 2015 #15
Thanks, DFW. elleng May 2015 #32
A DEMOCRATIC candidate for president. RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author neverforget Apr 2015 #17
Clarence Thomas will die in his chair while hearing a case... Purrfessor Apr 2015 #18
Thomas made the list of the five worse SCOTUS justices of all time Gothmog Apr 2015 #20
Good explanation as to why voting for Hillary is so important Gothmog Apr 2015 #22
Perry identifies the top issue of the 2016 race Gothmog May 2015 #24
kicking. hrmjustin May 2015 #25
It's not. What IS critical is elleng May 2015 #26
But since this is the Hillary Clinton room the op is advocating for Hillary. hrmjustin May 2015 #27
That's OK with me, elleng May 2015 #29
But this is the hrc room and we only advocate for her in here. hrmjustin May 2015 #31
I understand that, elleng May 2015 #33
Fair enough. hrmjustin May 2015 #36
This is an issue if one is not comfortable with the viability of the other candidate Gothmog Jul 2015 #42
I agree but the Democratic nominee has to be competitive in November Gothmog May 2015 #28
No matter which DEMOCRAT... yallerdawg May 2015 #30
Thanks. elleng May 2015 #34
I will support the Democratic Nominee no matter what Gothmog May 2015 #35
Arghh Gothmog Jun 2015 #37
lol.. Those types can't see the whole Forest.. The Environment is a vital Issue as well.. We Cha Jun 2015 #38
I made that argument Gothmog Jun 2015 #39
It's pretty much the premier consideration Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #40
Why 2016 will be a Supreme Court election Gothmog Jul 2015 #41

Gothmog

(144,833 posts)
6. Not really
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:16 PM
Apr 2015

Technically, you can filibuster a SCOTUS nomination but there would be a steep political price to be paid. The public would be unhappy if a SCOTUS seat is left empty

Gothmog

(144,833 posts)
8. Yes, the Senate confirms
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:23 PM
Apr 2015

The Senate blocking a SCOTUS nomination is or used to be a big deal. Abe Fortas was blocked but he had some issues and LBJ was very unpopular at the end of his term. Nixon had a couple of unqualified nominees blocked and there is the Bork case (he was qualified but crazy). Normally, a nominee selected by the POTUS is confirmed in large part because there is political pressure to do so absent a strong case for blocking.

Technically, the nuclear option does not apply to SCOTUS justices but I would be surprise to see a filibuster of a moderate well qualified nominee. I doubt that a Ruth Bader Ginsburg could be confirmed even if the Democrats take back the Senate in 2016 but HRC should be able to get most of her nominees confirmed

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. With a Democratic Senate can allow for a more liberal judge getting confirmed, we need more
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:26 PM
Apr 2015

liberal judges.

Gothmog

(144,833 posts)
10. We should be able to retake the Senate in 2016
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:32 PM
Apr 2015

However the nuclear option adopted by Senator Reid excludes SCOTUS justices and so to confirm someone like a RBG, we would need 60 Senate votes unless the Nuclear option is expanded to include SCOTUS justices (and this is possible for so long as Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are in the Senate)

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
11. Excellent post! Critical indeed..
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:03 PM
Apr 2015

So refreshing to finally see some sanity put into the discussion today...really has been very difficult to weed out some people 's agenda..here at DU!

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
21. For what it's worth... the wonderful admins
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:38 AM
Apr 2015

have been cleaning house of repeat trolls who it just so happens seem to be the most strident Hillary bashers. Imagine that.

Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Gothmog

(144,833 posts)
24. Perry identifies the top issue of the 2016 race
Sat May 16, 2015, 03:11 PM
May 2015

Goodhair is an idiot but he is correct that the key issue is the SCOTUS http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/perry-identifies-the-top-issue-the-2016-race This chart is really good on why HRC needs to be POTUS

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elleng

(130,646 posts)
29. That's OK with me,
Sat May 16, 2015, 03:22 PM
May 2015

but the OP suggests that only 1 candidate is appropriate, and that's not the case.

elleng

(130,646 posts)
33. I understand that,
Sat May 16, 2015, 03:39 PM
May 2015

and I went out of my way not to advocate for another candidate. However, I responded to the question posed by the OP.

Gothmog

(144,833 posts)
42. This is an issue if one is not comfortable with the viability of the other candidate
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jul 2015

The SCOTUS is too important of an issue to risk on a candidate who may not be viable in the general election. I am not convinced that Sanders is viable in the general election which is one of the reasons that I am supporting Clinton. I will support the Democratic nominee but we need to make sure that there is a Democrat being sworned in after the 2016 election

Gothmog

(144,833 posts)
28. I agree but the Democratic nominee has to be competitive in November
Sat May 16, 2015, 03:20 PM
May 2015

I like Bernie Sanders and admire/agree with most of his positions. However, we need to have a candidate who can be competitive in the general election. HRC is doing that to compete with the Kochs and the GOP money machine. The Kochs are promising $889 million in funding and Jeb should be able to raise another billion dollars (he is suppose to announce $100 million for his super pac at the end of May)

I take HRC at her word that she would support a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United and would use a litmus test of only appointing SCOTUS justices who favor overturning Citizens United. However, she has to compete against the multiple billions being raised by the Kochs and the GOP candidate and HRC can not unilaterally disarm. I hate the amount of money being spent now and I am really afraid that HRC may not be able to keep up with the Kochs and the GOP candidate

Gothmog

(144,833 posts)
35. I will support the Democratic Nominee no matter what
Sat May 16, 2015, 03:41 PM
May 2015

However right now we are in the primary process and I strongly believe that general election viability is a key issue. I will support the Democratic candidate no matter what but right now I am very concerned that we get the strongest and most viable candidate on the ballot in November. I am somewhat afraid that even HRC may not be able to keep with the Kochs and the GOP money machine but she is the only Democrat eligible who has a chance (given that President Obama can not run again).

Gothmog

(144,833 posts)
37. Arghh
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jun 2015

According to some, the control of the SCOTUS is not an important consideration for the 2016 elections. Evidently the DNC and Hillary supporters are only bringing this issue up to keep Sanders from having 28 debates

Cha

(296,679 posts)
38. lol.. Those types can't see the whole Forest.. The Environment is a vital Issue as well.. We
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jun 2015

must have a Democratic President!


The Clinton campaign's New Hampshire logo.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/28/402778882/the-clinton-h-is-becoming-the-empire-state-building-of-campaign-logos

She could have a different one for all 50 states!

Mahalo Goth

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
40. It's pretty much the premier consideration
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jun 2015

I'm having a hard time believing that progressives couldn't see that risking unions, gay rights, voting rights for minorities, immigration, health care, reproductive rights is insanity. If a Repuke gets into the WH, we are fucked for nearly 50 years. It will change the entire constitution of the courts to have it stacked with conservative justices.

I care about class issues too, and it will be all out war against the 99%. I'm befuddled.

Gothmog

(144,833 posts)
41. Why 2016 will be a Supreme Court election
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jul 2015

One of the key issues that I am considering in the upcoming primary contest is the control of the SCOTUS. The recent 5 to 4 decisions that came down last week and the week before show how important the SCOTUS is ad the control of the SCOTUS will be determined by the 2016 election. http://theweek.com/articles/564891/why-2016-supreme-court-election

And in the next term, there are positive signs for the right. The justices have already agreed to hear a case that could put the final nail in affirmative action's coffin, as well as one that could cripple public sector unions. The justices are also likely to take one or more cases on restrictions at abortion clinics, and if they rule the way conservatives want, it could make abortions almost impossible to obtain in large swaths of the country.

All that is unlikely to banish the memory of the last couple of weeks from Republicans' minds, and you can bet that the GOP presidential candidates are going to have to promise primary voters that they'll deliver more Supreme Court justices like Alito, and fewer like Anthony Kennedy or even Roberts. If Democrats care about their own agenda, they ought to be no less motivated to vote by the prospect of changes in the court....

While it's possible that they all might decide to hold out until there's a president of their own party to replace them, infirmity or illness may make that impossible. And it's been an awfully long time since a president had the opportunity to change the court's course. The last time a Republican managed it was when George H.W. Bush appointed Clarence Thomas to replace the retiring Thurgood Marshall. And Democrats? Believe it or not, it's been over six decades since a Democratic president had the opportunity to replace a conservative justice; the last one to do it was John F. Kennedy, who appointed Byron White to a seat when Charles Evans Whittaker, who had been appointed by President Eisenhower, resigned in 1962.

If the next president gets that chance, no matter which party he or she comes from, it will profoundly affect the court's direction. If a Republican could appoint someone to replace Ginsburg or Breyer, it would mean a 6-3 conservative majority, which means that Kennedy would no longer be the swing vote and there would be a margin for error in every case. If a Democratic president were to replace Scalia or Kennedy, then the court would go from 5-4 in favor of the conservatives to 5-4 in favor of the liberals.

Those two outcomes would produce two radically different Supreme Courts, with implications that would shape American life for decades. If you think the court has been handling controversial and consequential cases lately, just you wait.

I remember when GHWBush replaced Thurgood Marshal with that idiot Clarence Thomas which started the shift of the court towards being far more conservative. If the GOP gets to pick the replacements for Breyer and RBG, then the court will tilted to the right for a very very long time. By the same measure, if a Democratic President gets to select Kennedy's or Scalia's replacment, then we will not have to worry about the gutting of the right to privacy or Roe v. Wade.

All but a couple of the abortion clinics in Texas were scheduled to be shut down on July 1 and these clinics are still open due to a 5 to 4 decision. Affirmative action, one man one vote and a host of important issues will be decided next year and I would hate to see the SCOTUS shift to being a 6 to 3 court in favor of the conservatives.
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