Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumMarkos Moulitsas: Yeah, I changed my mind. Elizabeth Warren for VP!
Forget geography or demographics. Ive long argued that the VP pick should be based, in most part, on base engagement. The ideal model for a VP (during campaign season) is someone like Dick Cheney, someone who will rally the base and lob the kinds of attacks against the opposing nominee that our own nominee cant.
Warren certainly qualifies on both counts, with unparalleled credibility among the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party. And, its been fun watching her get under Donald Trumps skin on Twitter. (He called her Pocahontas over the weekend...) Shes certainly well-suited for the attack-dog role. Trump already reacts poorly to criticism, but criticism from women sends him into another realm of tizzy. We dont need to guess as to whether shell be effective at it. Shes already proven that.
Interestingly, at least some Clinton people seem to be thinking along similar lines:
One close Clinton confidant said that she and her aides were thrilled to see Warren get under his skin. Another senior Clinton adviser, who is advocating internally for Warren as a vice presidential pick, said the senator has very influential people in the campaign pushing for her.
A longtime Clinton veteran said the campaign definitely noticed Warrens attacks. You want a running mate who can take the fight to the other side with relish, the veteran said. Geography does not matter, but attitude and talent and energy and bringing excitement to the campaign, Senator Warren does all that.
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Ultimately, this isnt an easy call one way or the other. Its perfectly reasonable to advocate for SENATOR Elizabeth Warren, rather than VICE PRESIDENT Elizabeth Warren.
For my part, Im now on team vice president, but not without acknowledging the real risks.
p.s. I still think Hilda Solis would be an acceptable option.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/16/1526996/-Yeah-I-changed-my-mind-Elizabeth-Warren-for-VP
I'm not entirely convinced, but he makes a great argument because f.u.n.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Clinton/Warren, with a 50% female cabinet, and a strong representation of younger 'minority' Democrats ready to take up the mantle in 8 years?
Yeah - this could work!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Markos of all people should know what a male-centric country this is.
Besides, Warren and Clinton don't really see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, and we can't have two captains on a ship without them respecting one another. No. With the change of demographics, we need a young, charismatic Latino as Hillary's VP pick. Castro is the one she should pick, and she'll lock up the Mexican-American and Latino vote and maybe even win Texas, where he hails from.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)The other is that Warren was an econ professor long before she became a Dem. Her stated reason for being gop was she thought they were strong on econ. Very weird to me that an educated woman could remain a Republican up until the 90s.
I like her positions now, and what she says now. Still that bothers me some. I have a trust issue, especially considering Hillary's only stated qualification for her pick is whether they could serve as president.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)about Warren than you appear to be. It still bothers me, too, though since it tells me something about her judgment, politically.
Warren brings nothing to the ticket other than wishy-washy Liberals who don't bother to register as Democrats as it is. She can't bring her State since MA will vote Democratic anyway. She can't pull along the fastest growing voting demographic amongst PoC, either. Aside from these two issues, I don't see two strong women having to work together. I think a powerplay would happen behind the scenes that would take the focus off of getting things done for this country.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)If Trump said such a thing, he would be in a world of shit!
We may be on the verge of breaking some glass ceilings - but let's try not to put up some new ones.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)demographics still have problems stereotyping women in our culture(s). It's especially strong in the Latino community (although Hillary is one tough cookie, and they know it and don't really have a problem with her, specifically).
Let's break one glass ceiling at a time, yallerdawg, and let's be realistic about it. Let's not try and overplay our hand. Hillary's got this IF she doesn't mess up before November, and choosing Warren as her VP running mate will almost certainly cause her trouble she doesn't need now that Republicans are slowly uniting around that bigot on their side.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)I truly believe she is having entirely too much fun making WS piss their pants.
And I am not sure that she'd run with Hillary if she were interested in the Vice Presidency.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)but I do think that Kos writing this is an attempt to placate obnoxious Sanders supporters.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)My thinking has evolved on this, and I don't think Castro is what we need at this point. I don't see him as an aggressive attack dog, and an aggressive attack dog is what we need. Joe Biden liked the idea of her as a VP, and I am beginning to understand why.
Moreover, the Hispanic vote has already been handed to Clinton by Trump. By election day, I doubt if Trump could count on five percent of the Hispanic vote, no matter how he pretends to change his pitch by then.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)would be awesome,but if she's not she'll end up with a cabinet position.