Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders begins making case to Hillary Clinton’s superdelegates
Yahoo 5-1-2016But no mention of the states that Clinton won. If it was applied by the same rational to both sides Clinton would receive 374 while Sanders would be limited to 143. But that was not the purpose of the automatic delegates.
So Sanders is also pushing for the "Convoluted Math" like some of the Bernies over in the other group.
It is doubtful that the delegates supporting Hillary will switch over to Sanders when he has been a jerk towards them.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)delusional
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,844 posts)It is disingenuous. He's not an idiot and he knows that there is no chance. He also understands quite well the rules.
It's for the money
Walk away
(9,494 posts)not because he believes it will ever happen. It's because he needs to convince his Followers that Hillary is on her way to jail and that the Super Delegates will have to elect him. It's the only way he can still milk them for their $$$. Even they aren't besotted enough to throw money down the toilet, so he had to create a scenario in which he is magically named the nominee.
That's why they all talk about Hillary being indicted all the time. They actually believe him (or his surrogate scam artist Jane) and they click a few more bucks to him.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)He's got Tad Devine on staff and still doesn't understand how super-delegates function.
If this is Bernie's new tune, I'm changing the station.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Whoever wins the most delegates will be the winner.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)to have a goal based on including superdelegates - and then an argument we shouldn't count superdelegates.
Another 'higher standard' for Hillary!
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)splat
(2,294 posts)After McGovern's huge loss, those who were actual working members of the party wanted a way to make sure their candidate was electable, not just a current wave of rhetoric.
The rules were created to counterbalance the Bernies.
Cha
(297,154 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)without the supers means getting 59% of the pledged delegates. This isn't the Senate. There is no filibuster to overcome.
Sanders is saying that if he gets only 42% of the of the pledged delegates to Hillary's 58% that the convention is contested.
Bernie, you are an asshole.
LiberalFighter
(50,895 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)So true...
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Can you imagine the epithets that would be flying Hillary's way if she was in Sanderss position (i.e. behind in delegates) and was making this argument? "Asshole" would be one of the nicer ones.
Cha
(297,154 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)Medicare for all.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Planning on gaining enough pledged delegates for him to win. It doesn't sound reasonable to ask Hillary to have the required number of delegates with pledged and allow him to come from behind, take super delegates to make up the difference. No, they are not going to have a rule for Hillary and another for Bernie. I would like to see Hillary achieve more delegates and negate this math.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)at the convention at the hands of the DNC.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,895 posts)Likely receive nearly all of the remaining automatic delegates. I have her with 489 but some media or others show her with 522 I think. So there are either 192 or 150 left. Some automatic delegates are not making it public their support of Clinton because of the behavior of some of the Bernie supporters.
She should also receive a minimum of an additional 530 pledged delegates.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Satch59
(1,353 posts)And knew she'd never have enough delegates and took the classy road and conceded and then fully supported Obama?
Bernie will do harm to the Dem Party and to himself if he takes it to the convention... There is no way in hell any super delegates will swing to him... I have lost all respect for Bernie and his scorched earth team... He will be an embarrassment when over.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)OMG they eviscerated Sanders! I'd copy some of my faves but I know they'd get hidden:
http://forums.talkingpointsmemo.com/t/discussion-sanders-predicts-a-contested-convention-we-intend-to-fight-for-votes/37047
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)These people on TPM don't tolerate fools gladly, do they?
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)And those pro-Hillary commenters really know their facts.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)cf2k
8h
georgeh
Bernie's been proving his legislative uselessness for decades at the Federal level. He's not a "fighter"; he's a scolder, a whiner, and now, a carpetbagger.
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)Satch59
(1,353 posts)Amazing comments... I truly hope this gets some airplay this week and let's see if he changes his tune if (when?) she wins IN on Tues? Some new Hillary suragates like senators need to start coming out and calling bs on BS...
sarae
(3,284 posts)This has to be one of my favorite comments:
"Good grief ...I hope he isn't using the same calculator for his economic policies."
oasis
(49,376 posts)he began his candidacy on little more than a whim.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... I'll give Bernie full credit where it's due: When it comes to the grift, he's a master at it.
He needs his followers to believe that he will be the nominee one way or the other. That's the only way the donations keep flowing.
The money spigot is already starting to dry up. He's going to look like an even bigger fool than he already does if - after promising his fans that he'll "stay in it until the last state votes" - he doesn't have the money to do it.
A con artist from the get-go. If he's actually stupid enough to think he still has a shot at the nomination, that alone proves he's too stupid to be president.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)refunds all of the illegal donations.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... as to the Vatican trip being allowed as a campaign expense.
I have a feeling that line item is going to bite him in the ass.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)I mean it's bad enough Sanders dipped into campaign money for his trip to Rome, but he also took Jane and 10 relatives...on a privately chartered Boeing 767!
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... could be written-off as a campaign expense even if he'd traveled alone - no less with the family entourage.
If he'd stayed in Italy longer and met up with American ex-pat groups who will be voting via absentee ballot in upcoming primaries, he could have made an argument (a weak argument, but an argument nonetheless) that this was a "campaign" trip. But even then, how do you explain how your entire family needed to accompany you?
Koinos
(2,792 posts)It will be interesting to see how his campaign justifies that trip, which it admitted was " not political."
In light of the FEC violations and flagging donations, I predict that Bernie's campaign will end up in the red, unless he decides not to compete in California.
2naSalit
(86,569 posts)have been harassing them relentlessly and rudely, I can see how they will just flip to the party crasher.
Takes some gall there.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)What I see here is a campaign totally lacking in social or political skills.
It is a campaign that acquires "followers," but not friends.
2naSalit
(86,569 posts)Koinos
(2,792 posts)Superdelegates vote with delegates in the first ballot. I see no likelihood of a second ballot.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)I'm not sure if he's doing this to keep the cash flowing or if he's really this delusional,either way he's done.