Damn!

[IrishAyes]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by grantcart (a host of the Barack Obama group).

I spent way too much time whacking at the trolls in DainBramaged's OP in GD about haters. Now I have to wait until later to catch up here, which I will if it takes me forever. No offense, Dain me pal, but I'm done with that thread. Which I appreciate your posting, though. But most of those people are not looking for answers, just a target. They bleed off energy needed for better pursuits.

[1StrongBlackMan]

1. You are exactly right ...

many here at DU are not looking for answers because for anyone paying attention, they are all there ...

Why is SS/CCPI even on the table?

Because it furthers the narrative that President Obama (and his team of advisors) have been carefully building ... THAT THE GOP IS UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE. And it's working ... as evidenced by the polling data, i.e., a plurality of independent voters and gop voters (a solid majority when combined) tag the gop as the party unwilling to compromise.

Why is a Democratic President playing games with SS?

Because this is politics ... But more, there is no chance of SS being cut ... The Left won't allow it; republicans with seniors in their district won't allow it; the President won't allow it without significant revenue increases (which republicans won't give).

Won't this give the gop ammo for 2014 to tarnish Democrats as the party moving to cut SS?

Nope ... At this point, the Democratic legislators (in safe districts) are vowing to fight the CCPI; the one's in close contests are saying, "I'm open to looking at this CCPI thing, if the gop is willing to move on revenue" (again, a safe position because the gop can't/won't move on revenue without encouraging a primary challenge).

What if the gop accepts the CCPI offer?

See above.

Won't President Obama's "betrayal" drive down Democratic support in 2014?

Nope. It will drive down "progressive" support, if DU is any indicator; but "progressives" make a very small, albeit loud, part of the Democratic party ... the party that they do not claim. The Democratic turn-out will be about the same as the 2012 election (probably slightly less because it's a mid-term election and "progressives" might be able to pile off a sliver of Democratic voters).

But, because of gerrymandering (after the 2010 "we're gonna teach them a lesson" exercise), we need the above-mentioned Independents and gop voters to either vote Democratic (not likely), or vote 3rd-Party, or stay home; far more than we need those "progressive" that would even consider staying at home (to re-teach the 2010 lesson).

I could, and probably will, post more on this topic.

[IrishAyes]

3. Please do.

I'll look forward to it. Don't wait too long.

[sheshe2]

6. ...

[Lady Freedom Returns]

11. Thats GOOD! Dang GOOD!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

2. Read some of your posts!

I think you were doing a good job pointing things out!

[IrishAyes]

4. Thank you

But I mean this truly; there are so many who are so much better at it.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

5. Wish I was half as good.

I think I am getting far worse that I am giving.

[sheshe2]

7. been there, did it, done it

LFR, you are doing just fine there.

I told you that you were brave when you posted on the BOG. Then came home and saw you put it on GD!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

9. Well it was bugging me last night.

Add to seeing all the new threads running Obama down when I signed on today...

Something Positive was needed.

Not that it stayed positive for long.

[sheshe2]

12. I was just there when I saw I had mail.

I am having a disagreement with someone there.

Ha! He just told me to go back to the BOG to make my posts, just like someone said to you!

I do believe that this whole site is about democracy, and I sure as hell will post where I please! Duh, we are now not allowing freedom of speech, if we dare stand up to the bashers! I don't think so.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

13. Far to many around here wants to keep the neagitve in view.

Post positive is counter productive to whatever it is they are going for.

As for what they are wanting is beyond me.

[sheshe2]

8. Thank you IrishAyes!

BOG

[Cha]

10. Dain is a good soul.. Why I remember back in 09 that

he was the one who made an OP pointing out the original BOG started by DeepModemMom. He said something like.. "You know there is a Barack Obama Forum for those interested."

I was interested! This is BOG3. And, the best one yet.. much easier to keep out those who don't like the Mission Statement.

thanks IrishAyes

[Lady Freedom Returns]

14. I am happy I found this group.

Between this group and the Good News Group. I feel like I am in the old DU again.

Being able to talk with like minds does wonders for your mental state!

[Cha]

15. Can you link me to the Good News Group, LFR?

I posted on One Grass Root's OP when she first asked if we would like one.. and haven't seen anything else about.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

16. SURE!

It is full of really cool stuff!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1267

[Cha]

17. Yay, I just subscribed to it so I can't

lose it!

thank you, Lady Freedom Returns!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

18. My pleasure! n/t

[grantcart]

19. While I appreciate your frustration please don't bring conflicts from other other forums here

It doesn't fit the SOP.

We are here to support the President, not to exacerbate divisions in our party.

There is a lot of frustration right now because certain elements of the budget have been focused on.

Get the facts and join the discussion in DU or take a break and enjoy your friends here but let's follow our President's example by being tolerant, patient and understanding.

Thanks for your understanding.