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Related: About this forumGeorge Galloway is back!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17549388Mr Galloway, expelled by Labour in 2003, said it was the "most sensational victory" in by-election history. He received 18,341 votes - a 56% share. He said his victory represented a "total rejection" of the major parties.
At the 2010 General Election, Labour's Marsha Singh, who resigned on health grounds, won with a majority of 5,763 .
Labour candidate Imran Hussein came second with 8,201 votes as the party's share of the vote was 20% down on its 2010 figure.
SydneyDundee
(67 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,266 posts)While turnout is slightly down on the general election, there were more who voted for either Respect or Labour than in the GE. Either they got a significant amount of people to vote for the first time (possible - this Guardian article says there was a significant Asian youth vote), or many people went straight from Tory to Respect - which seems unlikely.
Party --- 2010 --- 2012
Respect: 1,245 : 18,341
Labour : 18,401 : 8,201
Tory : 12,638 : 2,746
Lib Dem: 4,732 : 1,505
BNP : 1,370 : Did not stand (hooray!)
Others : 2,190 : 2,018
That's the scale of the swing to Galloway - in 2010, Respect came behind the BNP, who did not stand this time (hopefully this is a sign they have lost competency to put up candidates in many places, or are too poor to lose another deposit). While Galloway is a 'name', I had heard little about the by-election until Wednesday in national news (T_i_B, do you get the Yorkshire-area local news - was his candidacy a major news item on it?), so this can't be put down to just his fame, I think.
T_i_B
(14,736 posts)Although I should point out that I don't watch the local TV news too much (way too much emphasis on Leeds over anywhere else in the county, which is why Look North is often referred to sarcastically round these parts as "Look Leeds".)
To be honest I wasn't even aware of this by-election til yesterday. It's been pretty much ignored by the media. However, it is not difficult to guess why George Galloway won in a town with a very large muslim population. Now if only the other parties didn't alternate between demonising muslims or ignoring them.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,266 posts)so it's less easy to depict them as ignoring Muslims in this instance. It may be a generational thing - someone on Radio 4's Today this morning that we see this as the democratic alternative to last year's riots.
LeftishBrit
(41,203 posts)so I think that it's unlikely that he either demonizes or ignores Muslims.
I think it may be more a frustration with 'politics as usual' and resulting attraction to independent candidates - similar to the reason why some people, who are not primarily environmentalists, vote Green; and why the LibDems had an attraction for many disillusioned Labourites until they joined hands with the Tories. And especially right now, looking for someone who might offer some sort of solution to the ongoing economic mess. Sadly, I don't think that's going to be Galloway.
Also, I get the impression just on the basis of the numbers quoted, that turnout was pretty low, which can sometimes lead to strange results.
fedsron2us
(2,863 posts)It is one of the seats the Tories had on their target list which they needed to win for an outright majority at a General Election.
The constituency is not quite what outsiders imagine.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17564775
The figures suggest that 38% of the voters in the constituency are Muslim and the Labour candidate was very much from the Pakistani Muslim 'establishment' in the City. Arguing that this result is the vote of one ethnic group for Galloway does not really hold water. Ther is something else going on here. The disillusion with the established parties cuts across racial and religious boundaries.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Maybe that had something to do with it.
crazykate
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dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Not really - just the general attraction of complete opportunistic tossers.
fedsron2us
(2,863 posts)(as is Livingstone in London) but I think the the 'Orpington' size protest vote for Galloway signifies something more than just his ability to dupe people.
The reality for many young Britons of Pakistani origin in Bradford is that they are pretty much in the same economic boat as their poor white counterparts. The 'life opportunities' they are being offered are not that fantastic. Indeed, many may feel additional resentment since it looks to them as though their parents and grandparents made a particularly poor choice in the migration stakes by choosing to move to a city and a country that was already in relentless economic decline. To rub salt into the wounds they have been born just in time to see most of the remaining jobs and wealth that their parents were chasing being shipped back off to Asia and the Indian sub continent. Moreover, one suspects that like many of the white working class they have become sick and tired of being used as voting fodder to be farmed by the Labour party on polling day and then largely ignored thereafter. In that matter alone this is a significant result
The dire performance of the Tory party means that they are not in a much better position. Their vote declined by a bigger percentage margin even than even the Labour party and does not suggest they will be winning the northern Parliamentary marginals they need for an outright majority in the House of Commons anytime soon. One suspects that Tory core voters feel Cameron and Osborne have proved just as adept at screwing them over as Blair and Brown did to traditional Labour voters. I get the impression that the population of the UK increasingly feel that the Parliamentary system is essentially just a a game of three card monte, a con track perpetrated on the general population of all creeds, races and colours by a small professional political class and their shadowy financial backers .
Anyway the upcoming local council elections will probably be a better long term marker of the relative popularity of the main parties going forward.
ikri
(1,127 posts)They've been banging on about how poor a result it was for Labour whilst managing to ignore the fact that their own share of the vote declined by 75% from 2010 and the combined Tory-Lib Dem vote was less than half of Labour's terrible result. People voted for a left-of-centre or vaguely-centre-ish ahead of the coalition parties by a 6 to 1 margin.
The May elections could be very interesting.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)A result that would threaten the careers of Cameron, Clegg, AND Milliband.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I think it also reflects a sense among core Labour voters that their party really isn't fighting for them and really isn't offering voters a chance to vote for a clear break from the austerity/globalization/permanent war status quo.
If Labour takes the lesson and stops obsessing about appeasing a mythical "Middle England" electorate that clearly no longer exists(if it ever did)and clearly won't be voting for anyone but the Tories from here on in if it does exist) this could be an ultimately positive experience for that party.
If Labour doesn't abandon the Third Way, though, the voters will abandon Labour.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Sea-Dog
(247 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,266 posts)In his broadcast, the Left-winger said British troops should not obey "illegal orders" and he appeared to encourage Arab nations to fight them.
"Iraq is fighting for all the Arabs. Where are the Arab armies?" he asked. "We wonder when the Arab leaders will wake up. When are they going to stand by the Iraqi people?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1444848/Galloway-attacks-Labour-show-trial.html
muriel_volestrangler
(101,266 posts)A piece by a Labour volunteer.
Secondly we had this bizarre obsession with getting members of the shadow cabinet to come down and campaign and knock on some doors. On one occasion and three days before the vote this reached a peak where we wasted half a day trying to organise MPs in to groups that can canvass doors so the media can take photos, we wasted 100s of doors doing this.
Overall Id say these factors lost us the election:
Galloways personal appeal as an orator and debater.
Many financial backers in Bradford switched sides to Galloway in that final week.
Muslim youths general feeling of being disenfranchised and who campaigned for him on mass.
An organisational failure on the ground to identify Galloway as a threat and our insistence on making this about the Tories nationally.
A local candidate who was perceived as a puppet and weak, and who got his candidacy through Bradree nepotism rather than merit. This played a massive part that needs a separate article.
And a feeling (trumpeted by Galloway) that Labour locally was weak, complacent and corrupt. A view I heard a lot on the door.
Galloway constantly promoted himself as the Real Labour candidate, I think this helped people change sides with greater ease. His election speech was also about cementing that switching of sides. The speech was bizarre in a way, it was full of praise of the Labour party and its traditions and how he craves the old party back, he even said on Sky that he wants to see a Labour government in 2015!
https://www.facebook.com/notes/sean-dolat/bradford-west-a-view-from-the-ground/10150635414247016
fedsron2us
(2,863 posts)and allowed Galloway and Respect to do them over again.
The assumption seemed to be that so long as they had Muslim as candidate they would win. In my view the Labour Party is still way, way too remote from its core voters and far too worried about winning that mythical middle England vote.
T_i_B
(14,736 posts)Speaking to more than 2,000 people at a rally in the city's Infirmary Fields on Sunday, Mr Galloway described his victory as the "Bradford Spring". He said "the political weather in the city of Bradford" had changed.
The three major parties said Mr Galloway's win was a one-off. The local elections will take place on 3 May.
Voters will choose one councillor in each of the metropolitan district council's 30 wards.