I am beyond stressed today @ what the future holds

[Soph0571]

I thought I had reconciled myself to Brexit after Boris won such a large majority in the General Election . I saw the result as a second referendum on Brexit and lets face it Boris could not have a bigger mandate on this issue - well in England anyway. I have resigned myself to the fact that today is the last day I will be a European Citizen - probably in my life time. Who knows what the future holds but if there is a further referendum sometime in the future I will pushing up daisies before we get there.

Brexit is finally here. Global Britain it is then. 😨

Sorry, but I would maybe have a scintilla of more faith in Brexit Britain if we were not run by a bunch of right wing fuck wits, and the opposition was actually led - just led - by anyone that could provide a reasonable level of scrutiny on what these bastards on the Tory benches are up to right now. I do not think that is to much to ask in the oldest modern democracy on the planet, do you?

I said to someone once. It is not the fact that you voted for Brexit that upsets me, it is the fact that you believed that the ineffective, inept and plain awful people who rule us would in anyway be able to make a decent fist of it.

And here we are. Pass the smelling salts someone.

Shit.

[hlthe2b]

1. I am really sorry for Brits... I really had hoped for a turn from the Brexit abyss.

Just as I am equally fearful for our future in the US--especially now.

Many have quoted about a supposed Chinese Curse: "May You Live In Interesting Times." Well, for all the creativity that supposedly comes from such upheaval, I'd appreciate a return to some rational calm.

[barbtries]

2. I'm sorry this is happening.

I don't know if it's any comfort, but with the senate about to acquit the worst president in US History I feel pretty much the same way here in the USA.
Dark times.

[TubbersUK]

10. Yes, dark times indeed - and not entirely unrelated n/t

[BigmanPigman]

23. So many parallels between the two countries.

Putin is grinning from ear to ear...that is what twists the knife for me.

[oldsoftie]

3. I have faith in the Brits. They'll figure it out. I'm optimistic.

And i wouldnt be surprised if they figure it out in a way that attracts others to consider their OWN "Brexit".
They are a resourceful bunch & i think they'll do whats needed to succeed

[Soph0571]

6. Depends on your definition of success...

If a low tax, low regulation off shore tax haven for billionaires is the definition of success than we are going to rock it!

[TubbersUK]

9. Exactly

It's a race to the bottom AKA 'the Brexit revolution' now.

Services and social provision will be plundered, rights and standards will be worn to a nub in the interests of unfettered profit making.

The ordinary and the vulnerable will pay, and the wealthy will of course turn a bob or two.

[oldsoftie]

14. If that turns out to be the case, then the people will vote to change once again.

At some point the will of the people will be heard. Johnson won the last election by a handy margin, so its the way it is.
Just like here; if we run the best candidate trump will be defeated.
If Michelle Obama was the candidate, trump would lose by double digits. Sadly she's not running. Yet.

[TubbersUK]

16. Not for some time unfortunately n/t

[TubbersUK]

8. Hardly - the Union is under more strain than the EU at the moment

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And nor can I fathom why more 'Brexit' events could be considered a good thing.

[T_i_B]

11. I couldn't disagree more

People voted for this nonsense because we are badly lead as a nation and because the vast majority of people have not got the slightest idea how the world really works. These are not things that will magically change overnight.

[oldsoftie]

13. When the USSR fell, it was hard on the population in the beginning. Major changes.

This will be the same. MAJOR changes that will affect most everyone. The path to improvement will have to be a slow & steady one.
I believe it can be done & I believe the people of England will make it happen one way or another. They survived before the EU, they'll make it again.
I'm just tired of doom & gloom all the time about everything. If it was another country I may not have as much faith

[TubbersUK]

15. We've been hearing similar from Farage and the populist Right for the last few years:

In no particular order:

1) What you proffer is magical thinking and makes no economic sense

2) We were the 'sick man of Europe' before we joined the EU - an economic basket-case, I remember it and it was dreadful

3) The EU is not the USSR

4) We're Scotland, Wales, England and NI , not just England - but now bitterly divided with multiple fault lines

5) The Good Friday Agreement - well who knows what the impact will be ?

6) For some reason, you seem to think that more EU departures would be a good thing - we've been a salutary lesson, so I think you may well be disappointed on that score.

7) We have a hard right govt which will gleefully leverage Brexit to its own ends

8) Brexit has emerged from and in turn fueled and enabled racism and xenophobia


etc etc etc

Apologies if all of the doom and gloom offends your sensibilities.

[oldsoftie]

17. No, I said if it ends up going well, more may follow. If things go south, that wont happen

I would think everyone would hope for success for the people

[T_i_B]

18. Looking at all the evidence....

This is going to be an unmitigated disaster. Businesses are already leaving the UK and this will only accelerate as it's very clear that the UK government is clueless about international trade. And we will be in a hopelessly weak position to negotiate trade agreements.

[TubbersUK]

20. Yes, unfortunately:

We haven't even entered transition yet and it's cost us £130 billion (and counting).

On top of that, yesterday's Bank of England report:

"further downgraded its view of the underlying prospects for the economy to the lowest level since the second world war"

[Soph0571]

19. Have you seen this bollocks from the sun today?

They literally think Empire is coming back... arseholes

[TubbersUK]

21. Murdoch - he's been a huge player in all of this n/t

[BigmanPigman]

24. That bastard should have dropped dead years ago.

Why do the really evil people seem to live longer than they should? Life is not fair. Murdoch screwed two countries for years and will continue in the years to come. He is pure poison, what is Jerry Hall's problem?

[sinkingfeeling]

4. I feel for you. But America is going to be worse because of our

$ trillion military. No one will try to stop our cruelty.

[Cosmocat]

5. We are going over the cliff hand in hand

Hard to believe that the democracies that SO many fought and died for in the Great Wars would be go down the way they are - not from brute force by militaristic battles, but from WITHIN, done in by the avarice and hate from our fellow countrymen and women.

See you on the other side ...

[Layzeebeaver]

7. As an American expat...

...living here in middle England, I’m basically disgusted. Voting one’s face off in spite of their nose in my opinion.

[Ghost Dog]

12. I see there's a change.org petition to the EU Comission asking for Brits to retain EU citizenship

if they so want it: https://www.change.org/p/european-commission-continued-eu-citizenship-for-brits

I am British and European. I was born a European citizen, and I have enjoyed the great benefits of citizenship throughout my life. As things stand, this will sadly end in 2020. Suddenly in 12 months time, Brits will no longer be European citizens. We will be losing part of our international identity. Please sign this petition, urging the European Commission and EU, to maintain European citizenship for those that would like to keep it, but who stand to lose it due to Brexit...

A comment:

Does the UK government have the legal right unilaterally to remove our EU citizenship? Including those who were born EU citizens and those who were disenfranchised by the 2015 UK Referendum Act? Isn't this for the EU to decide?

And there's a group or poll here with the same aim with over 136000 signatures: https://www.eucitizenship.org.uk/

[wryter2000]

22. I feel for you

And we, over here, are absorbed in our own problems. All of it no doubt caused by Putin.

[Skittles]

25. I sympathize with you my sweet

please keep us updated; we Americans (well OK, my mum was a Brit) care; indeed we do

[Soph0571]

26. It is all so yuck. UK's MAGA'ts in all their glory last night....

Just embarrassing apart from anything else... little englanders

[Skittles]

27. OMG

well you know we know the feeling, Soph0571

I lived in England as a child (I actually remember using farthings) and it has always stayed with me. I hate to see what happening; it feels like they are going backwards, just like America under Donald Fucking Trump.

[T_i_B]

28. Still as edumacated as ever!

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Needless to say, I stayed in last night. If nothing else I currently have a load of Scottish £10 notes, so I would have almost certainly been given a fatwa the moment I went to the bar to order a beer at one of those "parties".