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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 06:12 AM Dec 2019

I used to be against Brexit, but now I'm for it.

My opinion can be summarized in two letters: "f" and "u".

If the Tories really so desperately want a Brexit,
if they feel the need to run a propaganda-campaign with outright false statements for the referendum,
if they feel the need aim for a No-Deal-Brexit,
if they feel the need to to keep the Yellowhammer-report a secret,
if they feel the need that there shouldn't be public studies and public reports about the consequences of a Brexit,
if they feel the need to alienate investors by complicating international monetary realtionships,
if they feel the need to drum up problems with Northern Ireland,
if they feel the need to drum up problems with Scotland, up to possibly destroying Great Britain by Scotland declaring independence,
then I say, fine, let them do it.

Let them go through with Brexit, let them ruin Great Britain, let them put their names on it.

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I used to be against Brexit, but now I'm for it. (Original Post) DetlefK Dec 2019 OP
So sad. Joinfortmill Dec 2019 #1
Yeah, problem is if they do, many people will suffer. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #2
They're also going to end up with American-style for-profit healthcare flibbitygiblets Dec 2019 #3
Headed for "Little Britain" status! B Stieg Dec 2019 #4
More like Little England (with Wales tagging along). mwooldri Dec 2019 #9
After Brexit, there will be no more Br greymattermom Dec 2019 #5
As always, look for the people.... SergeStorms Dec 2019 #6
True. Average people and Tories might have a common view toward Russia, however. ancianita Dec 2019 #7
The trouble is Tories, and Johnson in particular, are masters at avoiding blame muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #8

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
2. Yeah, problem is if they do, many people will suffer.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 07:04 AM
Dec 2019

Britain will face a sort of cataclysm if they go through with it, so sure the Tories will be 'punished' at the polls.

But in the meantime, the people will suffer.

It's that way here in the States, too. We're all suffering because of Trump. I can't just say 'let him do it' because of that suffering.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
3. They're also going to end up with American-style for-profit healthcare
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 07:09 AM
Dec 2019

Because the good ol' US of A, led by our Big Pharma overlords, are insisting on getting the first crack at their healthcare market "if yous guys wanna deal wit us".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142403572

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
9. More like Little England (with Wales tagging along).
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 10:50 AM
Dec 2019

Scotland and NI could seriously leave the UK. Wales could be an independent country but would need a lot of help getting going... possibly by the same EU they rejected.

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
5. After Brexit, there will be no more Br
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 08:29 AM
Dec 2019

It will be England again. A small country on part of a small island.

SergeStorms

(18,903 posts)
6. As always, look for the people....
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 08:48 AM
Dec 2019

who benefit the most from a situation like Brexit. Is it the average people of the U.K., or is it the very wealthy, and perhaps a certain dictator sitting in a palace in Russia? They love the idea of Brexit, for sure.

ancianita

(35,813 posts)
7. True. Average people and Tories might have a common view toward Russia, however.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 09:13 AM
Dec 2019

I think Tories want to get the currency and banking controls in order.

I also have a feeling that average Brits and Tories agree on their location as a safeguard (obviously not totally) from Russian operatives who can sow chaos, simultaneously providing a likely story filled with the usual suspects, along with fabricated evidence.

Putin's tentacles across the EU are undeniable. His beta tests of sowing discord show the plan.

To better handle the East-West shadow boxing that Putin's using, England can be a staging area to operate faster than the EU Parliament to rapidly deploy active measures if needed, covert or overt. It can offer safe financial haven while even the EU's so-called neutral financial centers either clean up their act or get owned.

Sounds dramatic, because it is. imo, there's more behind Brexit than the media story.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,154 posts)
8. The trouble is Tories, and Johnson in particular, are masters at avoiding blame
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 09:32 AM
Dec 2019

They've just been in charge for 9 years of austerity, and Johnson, part of that government, has managed to fool loads of people into thinking he's going to spend loads on useful services and infrastructure. He's the ultimate in Tory establishment (Eton, Oxford, Telegraph) but has pretended none of this was anything to do with him.

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