Murphy signed the SALT Work around a few hours ago (property tax deduction)

[JustAnotherGen]

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/05/phil_murphy_acts_to_help_nj_get_around_trump_tax_law_but_will_it_stick.html

The law Murphy, a frequent Trump critic, signed will soon allow New Jersey's towns, counties and school districts to set up charitable funds that taxpayers can contribute to instead of paying property taxes directly.

Homeowners can then deduct those charitable contributions from their federal income taxes, uncapped.

"We know that President Trump and the leadership in Congress cooked this up to benefit the states that were with him, instead of treating everyone fairly, and give a windfall to the wealthiest individuals in the biggest companies," Murphy said before signing the law at East Rutherford's town hall.

"It is divisive, it is wrong, and we will continue to fight," the governor added

On my Democratic Committee Soap Box for a moment - you guys we gotta gotta gotta make sure that any council/mayor positions are filled by Democratics this year to ensure our local governments implement this with the tool our Democratic Governor, Senate, and Assembly just gave us to flip the bird at Trump.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Rump and his deplorables hate most Americans, they want us gone, and they dont care how

This kind of FUCKING SHIT where tax law is designed to harm those who didnt vote for you, if dems did this we would be in a shooting civil war right now


GOP would just start shooting

[JustAnotherGen]

2. We stil have some kinks to work out

And towns/mucipalities have to sign on - but it's something.

The numbers don't lie - our average property tax is 8K and change - which means with a 10K cap our properties will be taxed twice.

That's not cool.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. I was worried that state property tax paid on our rental would fall into that

limit but have been told it doesnt.

Some good news, but not much

[MichMan]

4. Why can't all state and local taxes be considered this way ?

State income taxes, property taxes, license plate fees, water and sewer bills, sales taxes, utility taxes, Library taxes, mass transit taxes, trash fees, local permits etc.

If these could all be catagorized as charitable contributions they could all be written off taxes as well saving people a lot of money when filing.

[JustAnotherGen]

5. Not sure where you live

But State income and property - they (Feds) aren't giving us enough room to NOT be taxed twice.

Everything else to me? Just me? No big deal. I don't think we pay taxes on license plates in NJ, sales tax I don't pay on clothing, utility taxes - it is what it is, Library falls under township, mass transit (you talking airlines/airports), trash is included in my property taxes AS is my recycling and I'm on township water.

I'm thinking you are in Michigan - I've never lived there but I know this much -

If Phil Murphy was governor of your state - the folks of Flint would already have clean water - and the citizens of their state would have sacrificed to make it happen because we would be embarrassed that our OWN children in OUR state were without water.

I'm willing to pay more for my own state, and I would pay more to help out Flint - but I don't to give it to coal miners who refer to black New Jerseyans (myself included) as NFL - N*ggers for Life.

That said - If you are in Michigan - you would blow your brains out if you had our cost of living. We aren't far behind the Bay Area and New York City. And -we have the highest property taxes in America because we DO offer services to the last, the least, and the lost in our state.

That Flint water situation - that shit ain't right -but it's because Michigan folks were too selfish to fix the problem before it even started.

[MichMan]

6. Flint does have clean water

Water testing for the last year plus has lead levels at 4 ppb well below federal standards of 15 ppb. In fact bottled water is allowed 5 ppb.

There are hundreds of communities that have similar lead issues , it's just that no one is talking about them

[JustAnotherGen]

7. Really?

I don't see where it has been resolved -

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/us/flint-water-crisis-fast-facts/index.html

And well - it wouldn't have happened under Murphy's watch - but we have a stellar governor.

[MichMan]

8. These issues have all been fixed?

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You said - "If you are in Michigan - you would blow your brains out if you had our cost of living. We aren't far behind the Bay Area and New York City. And -we have the highest property taxes in America because we DO offer services to the last, the least, and the lost in our state.

That Flint water situation - that shit ain't right -but it's because Michigan folks were too selfish to fix the problem before it even started."

Look at the several links I posted below about issues in NJ over decades and tell me again how NJ residents would never allow lead in water to occur like us "selfish" people in Michigan ?

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/17/09/05/unsafe-lead-levels-found-in-drinking-water-at-400-nj-schools/

[MichMan]

9. Multiple independent tests show Flint lead levels at 4 ppb

Yes according to the Detroit News 4/14/018

"Results from the first round of independent tap-water testing for lead in Flint under a court-ordered settlement show lead levels are declining and the city’s water pipes are improving,” stated a Friday press release from the Natural Resources Defense Council and ACLU. “In a sample of 92 homes in Flint, Dr. Susan Masten of Michigan State University, found that the 90th percentile lead value of samples was 4 parts per billion (ppb). The federal lead action level is 15 ppb.”

And last September, Virginia Tech researcher Marc Edwards also concluded Flint’s water was safe to drink. Edwards is the engineering professor who confirmed the lead poisoning in 2015."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/editorials/2018/04/14/flint-water-safe-bottled-michigan-lead-residents/33850609/

[MichMan]

10. The group that sued Flint, Mich. over lead water is about to do the same thing in Jersey

Citing "dangerous" levels of lead in Newark's drinking water, an environmental nonprofit that sued Flint, Michigan over lead contamination is now threatening to sue New Jersey's largest city.

The group says about 20 percent of water samples taken from across Newark last year exceeded acceptable federal lead levels, raising serious health concerns over safe drinking water.

City officials have staunchly denied the claims, insisting that lead issues are limited to buildings with aging infrastructure.
"These lead levels are shockingly high," said Sara Imperiale, an attorney at the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) that filed a 60-day notice of intent to sue to the city and the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection on Tuesday.

The Newark Education Workers Caucus, a group of Newark educators, also plans to join the suit.

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Last year, 10 percent of water samples showed lead in excess of 26 parts per billion, nearly double the federal action level. One address tested at 137 parts per billion, the group said.

It's not the city's first lead scare.
In 2016, Newark's public schools announced it was shutting off all drinking fountains after finding elevated levels of lead in 30 schools. Last year, the district turned the drinking water back on after pipes were replaced and filters were installed.



http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2018/04/newark_has_dangerously_high_levels_of_lead_in_its.html

[MichMan]

11. Newark schools water crisis shines light on larger N.J. lead issues, advocates say

Newark schools water crisis shines light on larger N.J. lead issues, advocates say


While officials scramble to respond to the recent revelation that nearly half of Newark schools have been using water contaminated with dangerous levels of lead, many environmentalists claims the issue should have been confronted long ago.

Jeff Tittel, Director of the New Jersey Sierra Club, issued a statement last week calling the findings at 30 Newark schools a "wake-up call" to a growing public health issue. He cited similar tests that uncovered lead in water lines at Morristown Medical Center, as well as supplies overseen by the Passaic Valley Water Commission, which brings water to towns across five North Jersey counties.

"We need to do a better job of testing throughout the state and fixing these problems. We can't allow our children to be put at risk," Tittel said.


http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2016/03/environmentalists_say_newark_water_crisis_shines_l.html

[JustAnotherGen]

12. That's why we elected Phil

https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/lead-exposure-remains-persistent-problem-newarks-kids/


Get over it.

You still can't take bread off of our tables anymore. We are flipping the bird at the rest of the country.


And it's funny - and you know it is.

We got one over on the 'Dutch Mafia' running your state!

[MichMan]

14. Yet, your cities still have worse lead levels than Flint don't they?

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Yet, your cities still have worse lead levels than Flint don't they? You have no business criticizing Flint until you stop poisoning the inner city kids in Newark, Camden and other cities in your own state.

Oh by the way, enjoy your sky high taxes and cost of living. I am just fine paying property taxes of less than $2K a year in nice affordable housing in a beautiful part of the state.

Funny how people concocting tax schemes to avoid paying their fair share to the Federal government think they are rightous somehow. Sounds just like the filty rich with their loopholes that you so despise. What is really funny is that, at the end of the day, you are still paying thousands & thousands more than I am in SALT, so I am the one really laughing

[JustAnotherGen]

13. Get your act together Michigan Man

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2018/04/flint_mayor_tells_msnbc_lawsui.html

You should pay for that - not me.

[MichMan]

15. The lawsuit mentioned is against the state of Michigan

You said "You should pay for that - not me"

Reading is your friend, you should try it sometime

"Weaver had filed a notice of intent to sue the state in a March 24, 2016, filing with the Michigan Court of Claims, which has jurisdiction over lawsuits against the state and its agencies"