The Walking Dead 5.15 "Try" (spoiler alert)

[NewJeffCT]

When life within the walls begins to mimic life outside, the group realizes that sheltered life may not be possible.

[NewJeffCT]

1. after last week's episode

I thought this was a good one.

[NewJeffCT]

2. Charlie Sheen to The Walking Dead?

Nah, don't see it.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1942945/is-charlie-sheen-coming-to-the-walking-dead/

[Sugarcoated]

109. I heard a rumor

that it could be Henry Rollins in the roll. I know Sheen is a warlock with dragon's blood flowing through his veins and all that, but I'd prefer Rollins.

[NewJeffCT]

110. That would be interesting

it would take some re-working. Rollins has that intensity needed for Negan, but Negan was also so scary because he was huge & intimidating as well. Rollins is kind of a small guy, so maybe they could make him like a Joe Pesci from Goodfellas scary.

[NewJeffCT]

3. Spoilers for tonight

From what I hear, we get: [font color=white] a slugfest between Pete (Jessie's husband) and Rick, but the Porch Dick survives the episode. [/font]

[Baitball Blogger]

4. Yes, but aren't the Walking Dead crew responsible for

bringing the crazy into the town?

Or was it just timing that they appeared at the moment when the town's safety measure of running instead of standing to fight and help each other, finally caught up with them?

[NewJeffCT]

5. I think the town would have encountered the crazy

sooner or later - but, Rick's crew maybe is bringing it to them sooner?

[Baitball Blogger]

7. It was already starting before they arrived.

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Remember when Aidan told them they had lost four people a month earlier? Their system was already failing. And they had a need to go out to get better building supplies, which meant that they would eventually face conflict.

I'm trying to give the WD crew the benefit of the doubt because I can't imagine rooting for them if they go too dark.

[NewJeffCT]

10. good point

and, who knows if Enid is a mole for the Wolves? They'd really be in some deep doo-doo if Rick, Michonne, Daryl and company were not around and the Wolves came knocking.

[NewJeffCT]

6. they're even taking odds on who is next to die

looks like Abraham is the odds on "favorite" right now.

http://www.goldderby.com/news/8834/walking-dead-spoilers-who-will-die-try-abraham-tara-amc-entertainment-13579086-story.html

[Baitball Blogger]

8. The priest is the most dispensible.

I don't think he will be able to stay with the WD crew after what Maggie overheard.

[NewJeffCT]

9. he's certainly not needed

but, the show would catch a lot of flak if another black man got killed off.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

13. If I had to guess, it'll be Sasha

She's not in a good place mentally or socially with the new group. I think she'll end up making her final stand in that watchtower.

[NewJeffCT]

14. It would not surprise me

I wonder if she might make it till next season.

[NewJeffCT]

11. articles on The Walking Dead

putting together a few things from the previews:
http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/03/22/the-walking-dead-michonne-rosita-worry-sasha-episode-preview-watch/

Michael Cudlitz (Abraham) interview:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/walking-dead-abraham-season-5-finale-114137243635.html?soc_src=unv-sh&soc_trk=tw

AMC re-ups with Greg Nicotero:
http://deadline.com/2015/03/greg-nicotero-walking-dead-deal-amc-1201394969/

[NewJeffCT]

12. How many years of TWD?

20? Don't think so.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/03/22/how-many-seasons-of-the-walking-dead-can-we-realistically-expect-from-amc/

[NewJeffCT]

15. somber moment with Deanna to start

remembering her lost son?

[NewJeffCT]

16. still seems weird

that they have electricity - lights, working ovens, music, etc.

[NewJeffCT]

18. Nine Inch Nails?

it sounds like?

[NewJeffCT]

17. Sasha having a breakdown

out in the tower. She's sighting something with her rifle?

[NewJeffCT]

19. ouch

Deanna burns the "We're Sorry for your Loss" note.

[NewJeffCT]

20. Daryl and Aaron

see a light in the darkness - somebody is out there.

[NewJeffCT]

21. The Walking Dead crew with BM

Bill Murray, of course.

[Baitball Blogger]

63. Why is Bill Murray wearing a peasant top?

Because he can.

[NewJeffCT]

22. Nicholas lying his ass off

I'm starting to hate this guy more than The Governor.

[NewJeffCT]

23. Glenn seems pretty broken up

telling the truth to Rick

[NewJeffCT]

24. what's with the red balloon?

that Rick saw?

[Baitball Blogger]

74. I looked for clues on google and didn't find an answer.

[NewJeffCT]

76. i don't remember

Anything from Talking Dead, either. But, I missed a few minutes.

[Baitball Blogger]

77. They just mentioned it in passing,

but they didn't dig to find an explanation.

[NewJeffCT]

78. googled

Symbolism related to red balloons. Could mean danger, but also passion.

[Baitball Blogger]

80. You would think that balloons also suggest something fragile.

Rick was steadily going over the edge during this entire episode. Maybe it meant that he was about to snap. But Michonne put an end to his outburst before it got out of hand.

If so, it failed as an audience clue since we are only getting it after the fact.

[Iris]

84. As a symbol, I think it worked. I thought it migh allude to "The Red Balloon" - a short film about

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a boy and a red balloon. Here's a description from The Criterion Collection:

In this deceptively simple, nearly wordless tale, a young boy discovers a stray balloon, which seems to have a mind of its own, on the streets of Paris. The two become inseparable, yet the world’s harsh realities finally interfere.

http://www.criterion.com/films/886-the-red-balloon

[Baitball Blogger]

87. Now that would make tremendous sense.

If only we knew if the writer is familiar with that reference.

[Iris]

91. eh. I'm an English Lit major. I just assume familiarity!

[NewJeffCT]

94. I remember watching that movie

in my high school French class. I kept having that song "99 Luftballons" going through my head last night... even though it was just one.

[NewJeffCT]

25. The Porch Dick

is revealed as a real dick

[charlie and algernon]

26. that was a dumb question, rick

"Because it happened to me, dumbass."

[NewJeffCT]

27. It does seem kind of odd

maybe he asked it in case some people in the audience forgot?

[NewJeffCT]

28. damn

Rick is intense

[NewJeffCT]

29. and, cut to the next morning

with Michonne in her bed.

[NewJeffCT]

30. Tara is okay, stable at least

Sasha spent the night in the tower and is now missing?

[NewJeffCT]

31. Deanna knew about Pete

She hoped it would get better - excusing it because Pete is a surgeon

[charlie and algernon]

32. If she wants true civilization, why not just create a jail?

That seems like a more sensible choice if she wants an actual return to civilization.

[NewJeffCT]

34. good point

they'd need to do some building, though.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

38. I think a compromise could be made

A restraining order could be enforced. Deana makes no sense: he's necessary because he's a surgeon, but dispensable enough to be exiled. wtf

[NewJeffCT]

33. Sasha out hunting walkers

Michonne & Rosita looking for her.

Ooops, Carl and Enid

[NewJeffCT]

35. Carl actually smiling

with Enid. Weird seeing him smile.

[charlie and algernon]

36. seems like they're channeling 28 Days Later with the music this episode

very ethereal.

[NewJeffCT]

37. does that mean

we'll get Runners instead of Walkers soon?

[charlie and algernon]

42. Haha, that's the cliffhanger next week

The zombies slowly approach the gates and then they start running.....

[NewJeffCT]

39. Glenn "saving" Nicholas

by telling him not to go outside.

[charlie and algernon]

40. If we get a Carl-Enid sex scene, I'm turning it off, lol.

[NewJeffCT]

43. I don't think we'd get that far

at least I hope not, either.

[NewJeffCT]

45. We do see

more walkers with the W on its head.

[Baitball Blogger]

41. Glen has some great lines!

Troubleshooting the problem, and making sure no one else gets killed.

[NewJeffCT]

44. Yes

he's becoming a leader

[NewJeffCT]

46. big group of walkers

taken down by the ladies. Seemed weird to see Michonne without her katana, though.

[charlie and algernon]

47. Is it weird to say that the Walking Dead might be the most feminist show of all time?

Strong female characters kicking ass, actually talking to each other about their problems and issues that don't involve men.

[NewJeffCT]

48. If you looked at season 2

you'd might say it was just the opposite - Lori, Beth, Andrea, Carol, Maggie and Hershel's wife were all happy homemakers on the farm, while Rick, Shane, Daryl, etc went out and put themselves in danger. So, pretty good development.

[charlie and algernon]

50. oh yeah, it was definitely NOT a pro-woman show early on

Perhaps the writers finally figured out how to write female characters.

[NewJeffCT]

57. maybe the change in showrunners

Frank Darabont in season 1, then Glenn Mazzarra in 2, and I think it's been Scott Gimple since.

[Liberal Veteran]

64. Yeah. Lori making sandwiches and Carol washing clothes was how it was.

At least Andrea tried and then she shot Daryl. Meanwhile Beth was slashing her wrists and Maggie was helping Glenn with his virginity problem.

Not at all good.

[myrna minx]

99. I almost quit watching after season 2 because of the way the women were written. Season 2 spoilers

It was as if the writers knew *of* women, but didn't even bother to find out anything at all about how women think, speak or relate to other people.

Most notable -
My god - Lori and Maggie have NO idea how birth control works - let alone the day after pill.

All of the wimmens were all about cooking and cleaning.

The one woman who isn't expected to do laundry all day, Andrea, shot a gun into a crowd of people. I'm one of the gun grabbing commies here and even *I* know not to do that.

Even Carol was written as pitiful - while we now know her character arc, her character was, as written, so poorly constructed. Mercifully Melissa McBride is a mighty fine actress and worked wonders with what she was given to work with.

My friends and I joked that they should re-name the show "Where's Carl!??!" because when Lori wasn't busy trying to kill her convalescing son, yanno, out of mercy(!), she had no idea where he was most of the time - during a zombie apocalypse. She spent her time running around hollering "Where's CARL?!!?"

The women were written as one dimentional - mercifully this has changed and the writing has steadfastly improved as has the character development- but it made me so angry how they were written in season 2. It was so insulting.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

67. I love all of the female characters on the show now.

I'd want any or all of 'em on my side during a zombie apocalypse. But if one looks at Carol's transformation, or Michone's back story, or what Sasha has been through, the evolution of Maggie and even Beth too, it all makes sense.

[NewJeffCT]

49. back to Daryl and Aaron

finding cut up bodies.

[NewJeffCT]

51. Naked lady tied to a tree

partly eaten by walkers. Horrible way to go.

[NewJeffCT]

52. Rick telling Jessie

she has to fight or die.

another red balloon?

[NewJeffCT]

53. Rick and Pete

Duking it out. Pete's a big guy, but Rick's a bad ass.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

58. Shoulda bit his throat out.

[Iris]

71. That would have got him exiled on the spot!

[NewJeffCT]

54. Yvette Nicole Brown on Talking Dead

generally, one of the better guests. Knows her stuff - and, she takes notes.

[NewJeffCT]

55. Lot of moving pieces tonight

setting us up for hopefully a big finale.

Daryl & Aaron with the W walkers -

Sasha, Rosita and Michonne taking out a pack of walkers...

Rick and Pete's showdown.

Glenn & Nicholas

Carl and Enid...

[Joe Shlabotnik]

59. Going forward the W group is the most intriguing.

Thats obviously the "trouble" that Daryl runs into for the final episode. They sound like the most sadistic and nasty bunch yet.

I find it hard to believe that Rick and his group would take any shit from Deanna and her community, if Rick and his capo's stay true to character, they'll just make it a Ricktatorship again.

[NewJeffCT]

65. Rick was a bit over the line

I think - they could have been brought up to speed slowly. Not sure about Pete, though.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

69. Yup, if it was for anyone else, it wouldn't have gone down that way.

And I think his lust interest is clouding his judgement, for example, he should nnot have mentioned killing Pete to Deanna, he's forgotten the old Rick's diplomacy. Fun to see Michone clobber him though, good thing they have two cops.

[NewJeffCT]

56. Michonne knocks out Rick

at the end.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

60. I liked Sasha's punctuation

as rick was addressing the gathered mob.

[Baitball Blogger]

75. I will assume she knocked him out to save him.

She saw him escalating to a point of no return and put an end to the diatribe before he forced an ultimatum that Deanna would not accept.

[NewJeffCT]

79. I think you're right

Even with his gun, he could not stop all of Alexandria.

[mainer]

61. Maggie knows Gabriel's a traitor. Why hasn't she shared this?

Seems the most obvious detail that would be addressed in this episode. But nothing about it. It would change everything if Rick and the others found out Gabriel was undermining their position in town.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

62. good point!

[NewJeffCT]

68. not sure why

another cliffhanger - he drops the bomb and he's not in the episode next week

[Baitball Blogger]

82. He's not in the episode next week?

Because, I thought the best way to be rid of Gabriel is when the WD crew have to move on and he figures he's safer with them and attempts to leave with them. But Maggie can step up at that point and tell them all what she overheard.

[NewJeffCT]

101. sorry

I meant, he was not in this past episode.

[NewJeffCT]

66. uh oh

Melissa McBride next week on Talking Dead...

[Iris]

70. NYT recap

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/artsbeat/2015/03/22/the-walking-dead-recap-we-have-to-control-who-lives-here/?referrer=

[NewJeffCT]

72. good recap

and some good thoughts in the article.

[NewJeffCT]

73. another recap

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/the-walking-dead-recap-rick-and-michonne-butt-heads-in-try-2015233

[Baitball Blogger]

81. Did you see the sneak preview for the 90 minutes finale?

Carol rocks!

[NewJeffCT]

83. yes

Scarol at her best. Pete wasn't scared of Rick, but looks like he's about to wet his pants there

[Iris]

86. I wonder if that was the same dish the tuna casserole was in?

Possibly even the same tuna casserole?

[Baitball Blogger]

89. LOL!

I don't know, but that casserole dish is sure to be a popular WD giftee for WD moms.

[Iris]

85. I thought it was quite tender when Pete's son ran to Carol for protection and she pushed him behind

But I guess he's not fool, that little kid!

[Baitball Blogger]

88. It is very touching that he could get past Carol's

delinquent threats to recognize her as a protector.

[Iris]

90. Yes. He definitely sensed something there.

If she survives, perhaps he'll help some of her humanity come back. I feel like she doesn't have much hope of lasting past the season finale.

[Baitball Blogger]

92. The "outside" is Carol's world.

Remember when Rick asked for her permission to join her, because he had vanquished her?

Though she adapted incredibly fast inside the walls.

[NewJeffCT]

93. good thoughts

yes, she has adapted quickly, but we haven't gotten "inside" her head yet like we have with Rick, Sasha, Michonne, Glenn and a few others. She's just had those memorable moments with Sam.

But, it might not bode well for Carol and Daryl as both are appearing on Talking Dead after the finale... hopefully, not to discuss their characters just dying.

[Iris]

95. I hadn't thought about how we haven't seen much of her inner life.

That may be a good sign. It's possible the appearance of Carol and Daryl on Talking Dead is an attempt at a red herring.

[Baitball Blogger]

96. Or the recognition that they're the two that are crowd favorites this season.

Carol has just made it to the top.

If something happens to her next week, expect a full meltdown from this fan.

[NewJeffCT]

97. good point

but, I think it might also be to say "goodbye" to one of them as well.

[Iris]

107. Yes, I'd be extremely disappointed to see Carol go right now.

And I just don't believe they'll get rid of Darryl any time soon, especially not when he and Rick are kind of on the outs.

[Baitball Blogger]

108. Carol is in a place which can open up some interesting plot lines.

She has evolved into a primo post-apocalyptic anti-hero. Part den mother, part Rambo. It would be a terrible mistake to take her out of the series now. Though, if they do remove her (which would be odd since I heard she signed a contract for Season 6) then it leaves an opportunity for someone to create a story based on a character just like her. Doesn't even have to be a zombie based genre.

[NewJeffCT]

98. some more recaps

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/walking-dead-recap-season-5-episode-15-try-024502767.html

http://io9.com/crazy-rick-returns-with-a-vengeance-on-the-walking-dead-1693074407

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/03/23/walking-dead-recap-season-5-episode-15-try/25214723/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/23/the-walking-dead-s-explosive-try-sees-the-return-of-the-ricktatorship.html

[Baitball Blogger]

100. There is a tee-shirt that says,

"If Carol dies, we riot."

I think they mean it.

[CrawlingChaos]

102. Spoilerish questions for readers of the comic

Just wondering if the Alexandria situation goes on for any significant amount of time in the comics. Of course I realize they can and probably will diverge from the source material.

Also, the Rick/Pete/Jessie storyline -- is that in the comics? I'm hoping it will end with the finale next week. I think a Rick and Jessie relationship would be a mistake and bog down the show. Just my humble opinion.

I kinda hope the whole Alexandria thing turns out to be brief. It's a little too safe for this show, and the denizens of Alexandria are a little too bland.

Really looking forward to the return of Morgan!

[NewJeffCT]

103. answers

In the comics they meet Aaron and his boyfriend around issue 65 - so, the events of seasons 1 through 5 1/2 take place in issues 1 through 64 or so.

The last I checked, they were still in Alexandria around issue 122 or 123, so almost as much time in Alexandria as outside of it. Of course, they go out to places like Hilltop and elsewhere during this time. Alexandria is not as safe as it seems, though.

yes, the comics have the Rick/Pete/Jessie storyline - complete with the two of them going through the window and Michonne knocking out a ranting Rick... I won't say too much more than that, though.

[NewJeffCT]

104. If you want to know what happens

I'll post it in spoiler text after this - no guarantees, since the comic is often different from the show. In the comics, [font color=white] Pete goes after Rick with a gun and misses, shooting and killing Douglas' wife Regina by mistake. After which, Douglas tells Rick to kill Pete. Of course, that would mean he kills Deanna's husband Reg instead. [/font]

I get the impression from the previews that it may go down a bit differently.

[CrawlingChaos]

105. Thanks NewJeffCT!

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

Interesting... although not the way I wanted things to go. Although, as you say, they could choose to go in a different direction.

Good to hear you say Alexandria is not as safe as it seems. Hoping all hell breaks loose in the finale!

[NewJeffCT]

106. also

There are a lot of differences from the comics, though. There is no Enid and no Daryl. Carol has been dead for a while and Sophia is still alive and has essentially been adopted by Glenn and Maggie. So, take any predictions made by me with a grain of salt.

[CrawlingChaos]

112. I did read the first compendium

Never got around to the second one though. I know they've made many changes, although they seem mostly to do with the fate of certain characters and the inclusion/exclusion of others. I was just trying to get an idea if Alexandria was going to be a long-term thing. Hopefully that location will become more interesting and engaging as things progress.

I do wonder how a lot of these decisions get made. If sometimes actors want to move on to other projects (I got that feeling with the actor who played Tyrese) or if they ever decide to allow a character to survive based on strong popularity. I know they want the viewers to have the feeling that no one is safe, but at some point, if you kill enough beloved characters, viewers will get fed up. I have the same issue with Game of Thrones, which is the only other show I watch faithfully.

I'm still mad about losing T-Dog, Dale and Beth. Still totally okay with the death of Lori.

[NewJeffCT]

113. The first compendium

if I recall, ends with Lori being shot in the back & falling & crushing baby Judith... so, I always tell people that the show isn't as dark as the comics. (also, looking at what happened with Tyreese and his daughter and her boyfriend...)

[txwhitedove]

111. Why is Sasha shooting the Walkers in the back of the head? And, I'm

worried that in the finale Sasha will accidentally kill one of our favorites in Rick's group.