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For me, the death of Wash in Joss Whedon's 2005 movie, Serenity was pretty upsetting.
This does not mean that I was unmoved by Shepherd Book's demise earlier in the film. But Book was no longer living with the group by the time of the movie's events, so I had an inkling of what might happen. His character was older, as well, but most significantly, I had watched enough of Whedon's work to come to expect that there would be some sort of sacrifice.
Whedon had a habit of killing off beloved characters and I accepted that as part of his story-telling repertoire. For the story to have impact, a price must be paid by the heroes. (I was totally expecting Pepper Potts to be killed off in the first Avengers movie.)*
When Wash was killed, the moment felt real and disturbing and traumatic. I had one work-friend who had only just discovered Whedon's Firefly " 'Verse" and he declared that he would never forgive Whedon for killing off Wash that way.
What about you guys? Any fictional character deaths that you did not see coming, or just couldn't accept?
* I may not dislike Gywnneth Paltrow as much as others do, but it sure wouldn't have broken my heart to see the last of her in that particular movie franchise.
mucifer
(23,565 posts)IMO much of MASH doesn't hold up well. Some episodes are better than others.
But, killing off Henry Blake was the best decision they could make for the actor's departure.
Lochloosa
(16,068 posts)Collimator
(1,639 posts)is worth the sense of loss.
I felt that way when Sweets died in Bones. It was heartbreaking. But it felt believable and worthy of the story being told. And they continued to honor the character in other ways as the series continued. I really appreciated that.
SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)I thought it was necessary to remind people that, despite all of the comedy and good feelings among the MASH staff, it was still a war story and the purpose of war is to kill people.
That and the fact that it was obviously about Vietnam, even though set in Korea, made the death of one of the most likeable characters especially dramatic.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)That explains the genuine and realistic reaction to the death.
I was 13 at the time, an avid fan, and I still remember being stunned that a character would be written out that way. Very pointed commentary on the waste of war, a subtlety the show lost in its later seasons.
(McLean Stevenson made perhaps the worst career decision ever, but I digress.)
Maxheader
(4,374 posts)"The movie went on to become an important cultural film for baby boomers, with Old Yeller's death in particular being remembered as one of the most tearful scenes in cinematic history. "
Walleye
(31,052 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)if not, then I will watch it. Ole Yeller traumatized me big time.
hlthe2b
(102,360 posts)I've scarcely been able to watch a movie with a beloved dog since--I try to check to make sure there is not a sad ending. It just makes me recall too intensely the loss of some of my own.
As for MASH, they handled it so well and it was so appropriate for the show's themes, that I can still watch the episode. Even though I cringe when I see Radar step out and then return.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,043 posts)Collimator
(1,639 posts)Remember on Friends how upset Joey got when Beth started to feel poorly during his reading of Little Women?
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,043 posts)AmyStrange
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Salem's Lot.
In an introduction to one of the many editions of this particular title, he explained that he was following in the tradition of Bram Stoker, but I thought it was totally unnecessary.
I've read just about every one of his books, and I love his characters, but a lot of his endings are just plain lousy.
Anyway, I'm glad I read all those other books before that one, because I haven't read one since.
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Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Fall in love with the character.
Watch in stunned silence while George R. R. Martin utterly destroy the character.
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yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)with few exceptions, your favorites will die. The remaining Starks, Samwell, Tyrion and Ghost in the series come to mind.
As for the books, time will tell - I hope
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)since they were working with what Martin gave them for the ending.
That said, I think the path to get to their end points will be more tortuous than what happened on the show (they seemed to rush through the last 3 seasons, IMO)
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)The Swords and The Silver Hand.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)AirmensMom
(14,648 posts)Although I admit I enjoyed watching Debbie, her replacement.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)but wow I did not see them killing off Mrs. L.
Collimator
(1,639 posts)by Mrs. Landingham's death, that he comments on it every time he sees the actress in a different role. I think that it helped him to watch--[looks up actress on line]--Kathryn Joosten--accepting death with settled peace in another role on the show, Scrubs.
Oh, that reminds me. Ben Sullivan on Scrubs-- I was starting to get attached to the character. Though, the reaction of Dr. Cox to his death was very powerful and meaningful to me.
A_Woman_from_MI
(165 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Driving her new car.
ON EDIT: That led to one of the many powerful scenes in that series, when after her funeral, Jed stays behind in the cathedral, rubs out a cigarette on the floor, and cusses out God in Latin.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)Earthshine2
(4,044 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)I had read the novel. It was the first novel I read because I wanted to rather than it being assigned in school. That last chapter is simply devastating. He tells you how Helen dies too. That is heartbreaking. He lays waste to all his characters, and I know that is how Irving sees life. He does almost the same thing in Hotel New Hampshire.
So I knew what to expect in the movie, but I remember the audience reacting to that last scene in the helicopter.
Earthshine2
(4,044 posts)He was killed so unceremoniously and unnecessarily.
More than mourning Wash, I mourned the loss of the Firefly series. It was one of the very best.
I mourn the death of Justice League at the hands of Joss Whedon. He was great for the Avengers, but awful for Superman. I'm glad HBO is going to erase Whedon's JL as if it never happened, and resurrect Zack Snyder's version.
Cap't Kirk is my favorite fictional character of all time, since I was 4. I was strangely not moved by his death in ST:Generations.
I was really depressed by the (glorious) destruction of the Enterprise in ST:III.
Collimator
(1,639 posts)It was kind of underwhelming giving the the status he held within his fictional universe as well as our cultural one.
I think that part of the problem was that Shatner had begun playing Kirk as a caricature of himself. If you watch the earlier episodes of ST:TOS, Kirk seems less exaggerated in his mannerisms and you think, "Huh. Shatner was good."
And, yes, the destruction of the Enterprise was a real blow to those of us her loved her without having ever served upon her.
sinkingfeeling
(51,473 posts)AirmensMom
(14,648 posts)It still surprises me every time I watch it. Only read the books once.
And Dumbledore.
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)I hated that
Nevilledog
(51,197 posts)gay texan
(2,471 posts)sakabatou
(42,174 posts)gay texan
(2,471 posts)I walked around in a daze for weeks after that. I mean we all knew he was going to go out that way. but we hoped he'd get away with it.
sakabatou
(42,174 posts)July
(4,751 posts)tblue37
(65,488 posts)bluedigger
(17,087 posts)My 11 year old self did not see that coming.
electric_blue68
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and he partly redeemed himself right at the end.
(sniffles)
llashram
(6,265 posts)MI-5-Spooks
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)flotsam
(3,268 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)RobinA
(9,894 posts)I always tell myself to expect at least one violent, bolt from the blue death. Wait for it.
Shrek
(3,983 posts)Did not see that coming.
Phoenix61
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Volaris
(10,274 posts)Not that time. It was exceptionally well done, and coined a new phrase in our pod...'that ones DEAD dead.'
Well played, Squaresoft.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)The ending of Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom had me in tears. The "ending" of Reiji was so unnerving.
But, the end all, be all of tear jerkers was during Assassination Classroom. I bawled my eyes out during that last episode. I was so attached to Koro-sensei. He was definitely one of the most endearing characters ever created.
Nice topic.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)I had grown up reading fantasy & science fiction - hundreds of books over the years from the 70s, 80s and 90s: The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings, anything related to King Arthur, The Sword of Shannara and sequels, Raymond Feist, the D&D Dragonlance books, and into the 90s, the Wheel of Time series. If it was epic fantasy & came out in the mid 70s through the late 90s, I probably read it or had it on my bookshelf "to read soon."
To me, Ned was the idea centerpiece to an epic fantasy series - brave, noble, honorable, etc. Plus, a plurality of chapters in that first book were Ned/Eddard chapters.
Then, he gets killed off and I was stunned. However, because so many Ned chapters had dream sequences (flashbacks to the death of Lyanna Stark and events surrounding it), I had to re-read the Arya chapter where Ned died and also the previous Ned chapter several times apiece because I kept thinking it wasn't real.
to me, that said this was a completely new way of writing epic fantasy. A real "game changer" for me and my expectations.
sakabatou
(42,174 posts)Smickey
(3,337 posts)"its been quite a party"
zanana1
(6,129 posts)In Bonanza, every time Little Joe had a major crush on a woman, I thought "She's gonna die".
Dem2theMax
(9,653 posts)I think my jaw was on the floor for an hour.
Never saw that one coming. To this day it still blows my mind.
He was a really rotten person. So you assumed at some point he was going to get it.
But the WHO, what, when, where and why, well-written!
Midnight Writer
(21,798 posts)I was in love with Ms. Callendar.
adamas
(14 posts)Guardians of the Galaxy II
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)Sam died of the same kind of brain tumor that John McCain had. He was only 53.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)The theater was packed and my boyfriend and I were sitting in the front row. When that thing popped out we were like HOLY SHIT!
electric_blue68
(14,934 posts)Babylon 5
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Kosh (1)
Person of Interest
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Ms Groves, John Reese
SW
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Luke & Leia
Dem2theMax
(9,653 posts)Broke my heart!
electric_blue68
(14,934 posts)about POI for a bit in DU?
On line I'm in a SW group, a Trek group, a LOTR group (least active of these 3)
But (I haven't looked in a while) not any active post series broadcast fan groups for POI. Never seen any.
Sure it's over but it's such a stellar and rich show between discussing it in all it's aspects, speculation of the characters futures, playing with alt scenarios...?
My sib who watched every season - we talked every week about it - never saw the last season! She and a different friend were sitting teary eyed at dinner after S4 last ep - that wild set up to compress The Machine to save it, Harold talking to The Machine 'I failed you, father..." etc Root & John trying to keep them safe. Samihn still in Samaritan clutches etc
Had it on their DVR for years, then system had glitch and they lost it! Arrrg!
I have to check and see what channel is still streaming it. Could watch it when they get to S5.
Give it some thought, and let me know. 🙂
Dem2theMax
(9,653 posts)It is on Amazon Prime. Will cost a bit but would be worth it. Anyone know if it's on Netflix? It would be a lot cheaper to watch it there. I was given a gift subscription for Netflix but have not activated it yet.
I didn't know very many people who were watching POI when it was on originally. So I didn't have many people to talk to about it.
I can warn you I'm not the deepest thinker in the world, but I absolutely loved that show.
I know someone who can check the Netflix listings tomorrow. If they have it I can start right away. Otherwise, probably take one season at a time. Binge watch here I come!
electric_blue68
(14,934 posts)difficult times! 😲
Think about it...
I have Hulu, CBS All Access ( the cheap price w ads)
Peacock (free)
Haven't checked in a while but it wasn't on any of them previously.
Don't have Netflix.
I'll check let u know Weds or Thurs if I've found anything.
I'm a pretty deep thinker at times in certain ways, but I'm also an easy & relaxed thinker, and I love comedy, too. And POI had it's share. 👍
I have friends who can really parse a story! I'm happy when I occasionally reach their level. LOL
Dem2theMax
(9,653 posts)Would cost $125 to watch it on Amazon Prime. How do they get away with this stuff?
I don't have Wi-Fi, so it has to be something I could watch on my computer. If CBS All Access has it, that would be great.
A_Woman_from_MI
(165 posts)I mean, like, I know he came back later, but that Moria shit was harsh! 💔
consider_this
(2,203 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,709 posts)Helluva way to transition to Ziva in Season 3.
Collimator
(1,639 posts)Damn! Was I surprised! And I watch so much (far too much) TV and movies that I am rarely surprised by most plot reveals. I can usually spot them coming a mile off.
avebury
(10,952 posts)Watching the impact of the Civil War on his family (spoiler more than one family member is killed off). It is kind of heart breaking. One of my all time favorite movies.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Who didn't love the dippy Edith? Just the idea of putting up with "Aaa-cheeee" all those years made her a saint.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)The scenes of her saying goodbye to her boys, and her death...it was a long time before I could watch that movie without breaking down.
musette_sf
(10,206 posts)We just watched all the shows over November and December. I felt it was kind of a cop-out to have her killed off on the day after her wedding to Caroline.