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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 07:21 PM Mar 2020

Being stuck at home, I decided to watch the Metropolitan Opera's HD broadcasts

of Wagner's entire Ring cycle - maybe just so I could say I've done it (I've just started the last of the four, Götterdämmerung), but even though these operas are crazy long there's some good stuff - and the singers are phenomenal. The stamina a singer needs to get through just one of these four-hour operas is enormous; watching these performances is kind of like watching the Olympics. But the thing apart from the music that's so weird is that there's more incest going on than with the extras from Deliverance. Sieglinde and Sigmund are fraternal twins fathered by Wotan and separated in childhood, and although Sieglinde is already married to Hunding they fall in love and even after they figure out they are siblings they get it on and produce Siegfried, who eventually marries his aunt, Brünnhilde, who is Wotan's daughter. Freud would have a field day with this stuff, and all the phallic imagery of piercing with swords and spears. Weird shit but great performances (Deborah Voight, Bryn Terfel, Jay Hunter Morris).

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Being stuck at home, I decided to watch the Metropolitan Opera's HD broadcasts (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 OP
Yeah............ MyOwnPeace Mar 2020 #1
I've heard stories of bass players dropping dead in the pit while performing Wagner. fierywoman Mar 2020 #2
About a billion years ago my sweetie and I thucythucy Mar 2020 #3
One of my favorites! The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #4
Lucky you! I love The Ring wackadoo wabbit Mar 2020 #5
They showed Tristan on Monday, before the Ring on the following days. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #6
Thanks for the link! wackadoo wabbit Mar 2020 #7
Is this the one from like, oh, 20-25 years ago? Roland99 Mar 2020 #8
More recent, the 2011-12 season. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #9
The Met production, with The Machine, is what got Mrs. Aristus interested in opera. Aristus Mar 2020 #10
That's the production they broadcast. That was some clever stagecraft The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #11
I love that nowadays, with improved vocal training, good nutrition, and proper exercise, Aristus Mar 2020 #12
We don't have to wait for the fat lady to sing any more, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #13
Yeah. They used to call the old 'stand and sing' tradition "park and bark". Aristus Mar 2020 #14
If they rebroadcast this year's production of "Agrippina," you should see it! The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #15
Certainly great performers! elleng Mar 2020 #16

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
1. Yeah............
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 07:31 PM
Mar 2020

the 19th century Trump family!

(Seriously, you deserve a pin to proudly wear: "I survived the Ring!" )

thucythucy

(8,048 posts)
3. About a billion years ago my sweetie and I
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 08:55 PM
Mar 2020

saw a performance of "The Magic Flute" by the MET. The singing of course was wonderful, but for me the best part was that the sets and costumes were designed by Chagall.

"The Queen of the Night" aria was amazing.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
4. One of my favorites!
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 09:03 PM
Mar 2020

I've seen some of the Chagall posters and other art from that production. It must have been fun.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,166 posts)
5. Lucky you! I love The Ring
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 03:53 AM
Mar 2020

Actually, I love all of Wagner's operas (except Die Feen, but, hey, he was only 20 when he composed that one, so he gets a pass).

After you're finished with The Ring, try Tristan und Isolde, but only if you don't mind getting a little teary. Isolde's Verklarung is probably the most beautiful (albeit the most sad) piece of music ever written.


The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
6. They showed Tristan on Monday, before the Ring on the following days.
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 09:06 AM
Mar 2020

The staging was kind of odd, but the performance was excellent. Tonight they are doing Die Meistersinger (I might skip that one; it seems to go on forever) and tomorrow night it's Tannhäuser. I was hoping they would do Parsifal, which I especially like but I don't see it on the schedule, which is here: https://www.metopera.org/user-information/nightly-met-opera-streams/ I'll definitely watch Dialogues des Carmélites and Nixon in China.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
8. Is this the one from like, oh, 20-25 years ago?
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 10:31 AM
Mar 2020

I remember a local PBS station pledge week showing them throughout the week

Really enjoyed those

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
10. The Met production, with The Machine, is what got Mrs. Aristus interested in opera.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 11:55 AM
Mar 2020

I'd been a fan of The Ring since I was thirteen, but she was new to it.

I was captivated by the Met's new Ring as soon as the overture to Das Rheingold started. But I knew it was a candidate for greatness during the third act of Walkure. The Machine solved the problem of portraying the flying horses of the Valkyries without being needlessly literal.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
11. That's the production they broadcast. That was some clever stagecraft
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 11:57 AM
Mar 2020

even aside from the amazing singing.

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
12. I love that nowadays, with improved vocal training, good nutrition, and proper exercise,
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

the Valkyries can be on stage the ravishingly beautiful warrior maidens they're supposed to be, instead of the plodding, overweight caricatures they've been for over a century.

The fourth Valkyrie in the video is Wendy Brynn Harmer, who also sang Freia and Gutrune in the cycle. She's lovely.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
13. We don't have to wait for the fat lady to sing any more,
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:18 PM
Mar 2020

because you won't find many fat ladies in opera these days. Deborah Voigt, Brünnhilde in this production, was once very overweight and was losing gigs because she was so heavy. She had bypass surgery and lost about 100 lbs., and got her career back on track. An overweight singer also might have less breath control, and you need a lot of endurance to do opera, especially Wagner. Modern productions also seem to have a lot more physical stage work than in the old fat-lady days, and if a singer is overweight that's much harder to manage.

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
14. Yeah. They used to call the old 'stand and sing' tradition "park and bark".
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:22 PM
Mar 2020

Now most producers and directors require that their singers be able to act, as well. I think it has improved opera immeasurably.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
15. If they rebroadcast this year's production of "Agrippina," you should see it!
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:39 PM
Mar 2020

It's the most athletic opera production I've ever seen. The singing was just fabulous, and it was obvious that the singers were in great physical shape. No fat ladies or gentlemen anywhere, except for Claudius, who was kind of portly. Male singers seem to be able to get away with a bit more padding (e.g., Pavarotti), just as in real life.

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