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IronLionZion

(45,601 posts)
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 06:48 AM Apr 2018

Vegan Woman Forced Her Fennec Fox To Go Vegan, And Heres What Happened

https://www.boredpanda.com/fennec-fox-vegan-diet-animal-abuse-jumanji-sonia-sae/

Fennec foxes eat rodents, insects, birds, rabbits, and eggs, but this one doesn’t. For years, vegan blogger Sonia Sae has been raising her pet fox Jumanji on a vegan diet, and it has developed all sorts of health problems. Recently, however, a few people worked hard to spread the word about this behavior they call abusive, and the internet is infuriated.

According to experts, a fennec’s diet in the wild is comprised of about 90% animals and insects while the remaining 10% consists of various plants they dig up. Naturally, they need a lot of protein when living in captivity as well. Forcing her omnivore Jumanji on a vegan menu only, Sae has probably messed up its entire nutrition. For example, fennecs really need calcium and taurine. The latter is an organic compound that’s widely distributed in animal tissues. Without it, these big-eared creatures will probably develop reproductive and heart problems. And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Sae has already admitted that Jumanji is half blind, suffers from spontaneous convulsions and a severe skin condition. However, she refuses the idea that its diet is a cause of these problems. “They use the word ‘abuse’ to describe the act of feeding [it] food that no animal had to die for. Despite the obvious oxymoron, any other non-vegan alternative DOES involve abuse by default,” she said in a Facebook post.

People have already contacted local animal rights authorities and are waiting for their response.







Some people....

More photos at the link.
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Vegan Woman Forced Her Fennec Fox To Go Vegan, And Heres What Happened (Original Post) IronLionZion Apr 2018 OP
Poor little guy. Bluepinky Apr 2018 #1
Sick... Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #2
Abuse is not "love" - some might think so, but.... it isn't Kashkakat v.2.0 Apr 2018 #21
Foxes are not domesticated HopeAgain Apr 2018 #3
In some states.. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #25
WTF? That's not even a domesticated animal! DetlefK Apr 2018 #4
She is forcing her human values on an animal. madaboutharry Apr 2018 #5
That's a perfect example why vegan diets are dangerous. DetlefK Apr 2018 #6
+1000 nt Javaman Apr 2018 #10
Human Instincts yellowwoodII Apr 2018 #16
Vegan for years here. No B-12 deficiency. I do mind my diet and eat lots of leafy greens - BUT CousinIT Apr 2018 #17
Exactly! Codeine Apr 2018 #24
This year marks thirty years Codeine Apr 2018 #23
I disagree. My opinion is that eating meat is the reason most people wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #27
What kind of disease? DetlefK Apr 2018 #31
You start off with the premise that eating meat wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #34
Humans have evolved for a mixed diet, not a vegan diet. DetlefK Apr 2018 #35
Thats ...... I can't...... BigOleDummy Apr 2018 #7
People should not own wild animals as pets. Nuf said N_E_1 for Tennis Apr 2018 #8
I just want to say that meat eaters torture animals and kill their children. My point is that mucifer Apr 2018 #9
not one post about all vegans . stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #15
No one is attacking you, or vegans as a group. Only a person abusing an animal. nt Kashkakat v.2.0 Apr 2018 #22
... Major Nikon Apr 2018 #30
I was married to a rehabber who safeinOhio Apr 2018 #11
People can choose to be vegan but shouldn't force it on a carnivorous animal IronLionZion Apr 2018 #12
THIS. n/t CousinIT Apr 2018 #18
Some animals are true carnivores. Cats are another mammal that cannot survive without a meat diet. Nitram Apr 2018 #13
+1000s DinahMoeHum Apr 2018 #14
Exactly. I'm vegan. My cats ARE NOT. n/t CousinIT Apr 2018 #19
Pretentious nitwit A HERETIC I AM Apr 2018 #20
Words fail... onecaliberal Apr 2018 #26
All I can think of is Lokilooney Apr 2018 #28
The degree of ignorance in putting an animal like this PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2018 #29
Feed your gawd damned carnivores some gawd damned meat. MrScorpio Apr 2018 #32
Cruel, ignorant woman. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #33
I wonder if she's a PETA member? LeftInTX Apr 2018 #36

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
21. Abuse is not "love" - some might think so, but.... it isn't
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 01:29 PM
Apr 2018

Shouldn't have clicked on this link, one more thing to haunt me.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
3. Foxes are not domesticated
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:23 AM
Apr 2018

I don't believe in keeping wild animals of ANY type as pets. In most cases it is just cruel. What is wrong with having a dog or a cat?

madaboutharry

(40,241 posts)
5. She is forcing her human values on an animal.
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:30 AM
Apr 2018

Poor guy needs to be taken away from her and nursed back to health.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
6. That's a perfect example why vegan diets are dangerous.
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:39 AM
Apr 2018

The human is an omnivore and if you eat whatever your human instincts tell you, then you are healthy.

However, Vegans cannot eat whatever they want. Vegans need a diet balanced between specific vegetables and fruits in order to get all the vitamins and minerals they need stay healthy.
That's why many Vegans have a B12-deficiency: Plants (with the exception of the japanese red seaweed) do not contain enough B12 for a human diet.
And that's why many Vegans have a mineral deficiency: To get your minerals as a Vegan, it is absolutely mandatory to eat a lot of green leafy vegetables. And some people are too lazy for a healthy vegan diet and take nutritional supplement pills instead.



My point is: Unless done properly, you are constantly risking nutritional deficiencies with a vegan diet.

yellowwoodII

(616 posts)
16. Human Instincts
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:51 AM
Apr 2018

"The human is an omnivore and if you eat whatever your human instincts tell you, then you are healthy."
I don't think that you really mean that. Or apparently our "human instincts" are mistaken. The standard American diet has led to an epidemic of obesity.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

According to the American Diabetes Association,
"In 2015, 30.3 million Americans, or 9.4% of the population, had diabetes"

But what you say is true: Vegans need to supplement with B12. And to eat a variety plant-based foods.



CousinIT

(9,267 posts)
17. Vegan for years here. No B-12 deficiency. I do mind my diet and eat lots of leafy greens - BUT
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:59 AM
Apr 2018

I WOULD NEVER

E V E R

Force ANY animal to eat MY diet.

I have two cats. CATS. ARE MEAT-EATERS. They are CARNIVORES.

I feed them CAT FOOD - MEAT. And not the cheap stuff either.

That DINGBAT is abusing her "pet" and it should be taken from her and put in a sanctuary or rehabilitation center where it will get proper care and especially a proper DIET for such an animal.

As for vegans eating what "human instincts" tell them..I know of no "human instinct" that programs us that we "need" meat. And MILLIONS of vegans are perfectly healthy thankyouverymuch WITHOUT any animal products.

But humans can make that decision for themselves. CAPTIVE ANIMALS CAN'T. And it's up to their caretakers to feed them a proper diet. And this woman IS abusing this poor animal.



 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
24. Exactly!
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:03 PM
Apr 2018

I’m a vegan, but my cat is an obligate carnivore. He requires meat to live, so meat he shall have. To do otherwise is stupid.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
23. This year marks thirty years
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:01 PM
Apr 2018

of a vegan diet for me. No deficiencies, strong bones, my b12 is fine, etc. I use a multivitamin but that’s probably a good practice for anyone, vegan or otherwise. I have a physically-demanding job and I regularly outwork people far younger than me.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
34. You start off with the premise that eating meat
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:36 PM
Apr 2018

is the only position.

Our diets have as much meat as it does because it is readily available.

If we all had to hunt for meat our diets would be more toward vegetarianism.

We eat so much meat that we have much organ disfunction.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
35. Humans have evolved for a mixed diet, not a vegan diet.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 08:01 AM
Apr 2018

If a mixed diet would make us sick, we would on average be weaker than a person on a vegan diet and that would show up over the hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution.

Example:
Lactose-tolerance in human adults is a mutation that should not exist. Yet the ability to consume milk-products as an adult has proven to be so valuable for survival that this mutation became the new normal.
(There is a theory that the second immigration-wave to Europe in the Stone-Age was able to defeat the natives because they could use milk-products to supplement their diet, while the Stone-age people from the first immigration-wave could not.)

Same goes for eating meat. We have evolved towards a species that eats a mixed diet, as opposed to a vegan diet. Accordingly, a mixed diet must be better than a vegan diet.

BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
7. Thats ...... I can't......
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:41 AM
Apr 2018

..... WTF is she thinking? That poor little thing needs a proper diet. She's KILLING it AND making it suffer to boot!

mucifer

(23,590 posts)
9. I just want to say that meat eaters torture animals and kill their children. My point is that
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 07:56 AM
Apr 2018

pretty much ALL vegans don't behave like this. Pretty much all meat eaters don't torture their pets and kill their children.

The news finds an outlier and we vegans as a group are attacked.

People on this thread are assuming all of us act this way and it is personally infuriating to me.

safeinOhio

(32,739 posts)
11. I was married to a rehabber who
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:00 AM
Apr 2018

had lots of foxes. They do not make good pets. No matter how tame they nip and have needle sharp teeth. They also mark things like food, toys etc. they mark stuff by peeing on them and their pee is very stinky.

Don’t say you weren’t warned. P

IronLionZion

(45,601 posts)
12. People can choose to be vegan but shouldn't force it on a carnivorous animal
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:12 AM
Apr 2018

The fox clearly didn't choose to be vegan and we can see the poor guy dying in the photos. Most cats and dogs would not choose to be vegan.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,925 posts)
29. The degree of ignorance in putting an animal like this
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 11:48 PM
Apr 2018

on a vegan diet is appalling. Periodically vegan/vegetarians will do the same thing with cats, with similar disastrous consequences. If you insist your animals also follow your vegan diet, make sure you have one for which that is their natural diet.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,927 posts)
33. Cruel, ignorant woman.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:32 AM
Apr 2018

If you don't want to feed meat to your pet, get a rabbit or a guinea pig, not a carnivore.

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