Is anyone here interested in seeing "Chappaquiddick"?

[CTyankee]

I am definitely going to see it. My daughter and her family have a summer house there and it's very pretty and nice. My son in law likes to give a little road trip for visitors, showing them the areas where the incident unfolded.

Now that Ted is gone I wonder how moviegoers will react to this film. I suppose we'll hear from Dump in some kind of rant, ugh.

It was certainly an accident, but Teddy was ultimately judged for saving himself and not Mary Jo.

What do you think?

[MrScorpio]

1. I'll pass.

Maybe when it comes on HBO.

But I don't see paying for it at the theater.

[UTUSN]

34. "I'll pass" says it all for me. Plus, no more dynasties for me. What else to add.

[LanternWaste]

49. It's odd to me that you predicate your vote on genetics.

"Plus, no more dynasties for me..."

It's odd to me that you predicate your vote, or denial of vote on genetics.

[UTUSN]

50. Like many posts, it is shorthand. It's odd to me never being prepared to be asked to abide

other people's expectations (Google "Gestalt prayer" if inclined, for the reference) .

[dsc]

62. It is shorthand for saying you won't vote for someone since his or her family members were

politicians. Do you treat doctors that way? teachers? ministers? My parents were teachers should schools refuse to hire me since I belong to a teaching dynasty?

[UTUSN]

63. Whoa, many years not sparring with you. Now resurrecting my dead post here. O.K., let me go longform

Starting with the fellow himself: I had no idea about his career accomplishments - or EXISTENCE - until his recent appearances. And what I saw was not impressive: A preening/entitled demeanor. That's all. A theatrical performance, and not convincing/authentic.

Is that better? And do I have a right to my sensory impressions?

As for the dynasty angle: Does this even need elaborating on, beginning that we are supposedly a democracy/not an aristocracy (although oligarchy ain't improbable)?

And, no, my shorthand gets me in trouble, so, no, I don't judge based on whether a new, untried applicant is qualified for a job/profession/vocation based on his progenitors' track record.

But back to my point 1, I don't see much. So your argument is that he "deserves" it based on his family? Just to be clear, there is NO need for prolonged discussion about this between you and me. I hate to argue, and when there are disputations there is hardly ever any room for converting the opposite number. Sigh, we had gotten along so well without engaging all these years.

[dsc]

65. and if you had stated that I would have had no problem with your post

but instead you said dynasty. To take one example of why dynasty is stupid, Martin Luther King Jr. had a dad who was a pastor. Under dynasty, Martin Luther King Jr shouldn't have been hired to be a pastor since his dad, Martin Luther King Sr. was a pastor. Thankfully people didn't behave that stupidly.

The fact is I am not for Congressman Kennedy for President. But I am for him, and all other candidates, being judged upon their merits or lack thereof. Not dynasty.

[UTUSN]

66. At least I got a night's sleep without having to jump to the laptop.

1- "I WOULD HAVE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH YOUR POST" : See the full Gestalt Prayer below, but the pertinent line is:: "I am not in this world to live up to your expectations"

2- Your tizzy, supposedly over the word "dynasty", leaves me nonplussed. I say "supposedly" because your making it out to be an issue on the scale of a mass catastrophe in world events here is clearly a bad choice of hills to die on for you, and is the sign of *something else* as your real target.

3- I'm not going to engage your "dynasty issue" at all, because it's not MY issue, so you can talk to yourself about it.

4- To repeat, I'm not interested in arguing with you, not interested in continuing this tete a tete, as delightful (NOT) as it is, and am hoping to exit it toute suite although I know how you hang on by your very teeth to get the very last word. I was successful in ending the interaction years ago, and hope it still works for another decade or so. Back then it went on for weeks on (for some reason: ) Saturday afternoons with you flaming me, excoriating, whipping, and otherwise browbeating, patronizing, me until I said, "I refuse to spend another Saturday afternoon... " After that, it was blessedly over and I have thoroughly enjoyed that oblivion. So, I hope this is a sweet farewell (but I doubt it).

********QUOTE***

The Gestalt Prayer

I do my thing and you do your thing.
I am not in this world to live up to your expectations,
And you are not in this world to live up to mine.
You are you, and I am I,
and if by chance we find each other, it's beautiful.
If not, it can't be helped.

(Fritz Perls, "Gestalt Therapy Verbatim", 1969)

*********UNQUOTE********

[democratisphere]

2. Pass. No interest. May they RIP.

[Number9Dream]

36. Ditto... perfect summation for me too

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. I could be wrong, but I'm expecting a hatchet job.

[CTyankee]

6. The Boston Globe reviewed it today and said people are going to see what they want to see in

this movie, depending on their party affiliation. I think that's probably correct.

I'd like to see how the movie's creators handle it. I think it is interesting. After I see it I will review it here.

[whathehell]

46. Me too..

Years ago I was shocked to hear some Indiana redneck state (as a point of indisputable fact) that Ted Kennedy "murdered that girl".

[hlthe2b]

4. No.. I'm not one to erase history by any means...

but so much was written and propagandized about that event for decades that I just don't see anything noteworthy to come from this. I don't know if this is a RW production or not. I'd feel that way regardless, I think.

[CTyankee]

8. Well, it's a dramatic story that won't do any favors for Democrats, certainly.

But i certainly want to judge the film AFTER I see it, not before.

[hlthe2b]

13. Let us know... It wouldn't be the first time I was inclined not to see something that

I later thought worthwhile.

[Agschmid]

5. Im going to go most likely...

[elleng]

7. No, let sleeping dogs 'lie.'

Sorry, yank, I'm not remotely interested.

[CTyankee]

9. That's OK. If it's not your cup of tea, I get that. I was just wondering how DUers were feeling

about it.

[Freddie]

10. Wait til it comes on Netflix or on demand

Anxious to read the reviews though.

[CTyankee]

11. you might want to get the Globe's review from today online.

[Glorfindel]

12. No. Not interested.

Couldn't be paid enough to watch it.

[Scruffy1]

14. I don't get my history from movies. N/t.

[unc70]

15. No, not at all interested

[CTyankee]

16. here is one review. Very thoughtful and interesting from a political point of view.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/01/ted-kennedy-chappaquiddick-scandal-217763

[Rhiannon12866]

64. Thanks! It's a very detailed and thoughtful review - which tells more about the tragedy than I knew

I didn't think I was interested in the movie, but I may give it a chance at some point after reading that. Please let us know what you think...

[RandomAccess]

17. No, no interest

I was so upset about it at the time that just the mention of it brings back all that angst. No, not interested.

[CTyankee]

18. Seeing the reaction to my post this thread has been interesting for me. I can't blame any liberal

Dem for being upset by the emergence of this film, in a time we just HAVE to push on with our liberal ideas. But we saw what happened and how Teddy became such a powerhouse of liberal values in the Senate. That was inspiring for our cause and much change was achieved after that tragedy. And it showed how much a person can change and learn from a personal tragedy and put that experience to use in the cause of social justice.

[RandomAccess]

19. Yes, and I can appreciate that.

And still not want to watch it. Good comments tho.

[demosincebirth]

43. I think he skated.

[yellowdogintexas]

44. Not just No but HELL NO! I totally agree with you

I was totally torn up by it and do not with to relive it, any more than the umpteen depictions of the Assassinations. They just mess me up.

[RandomAccess]

45. There was just nothing good about it. Whatsoever.

[TheSmarterDog]

20. If I wanted some Nazi fantasy, I'd re-read "The Iron Dream".

[MissMillie]

21. I'm not a moviegoer...

I do think Ted mucked that one up.

He also paid for it w/ a lifetime of service.

I hate the movies these days. Too much bang-em-up-shoot-em-up-blow-something-up-wreck-up-a-car-the-sexy woman-always-screws-someone.....

There have been a few that I've liked. I didn't go to the movie theater to see them.

[RainCaster]

22. I'm interested in the timing of this movie

Why now?

[MicaelS]

23. Just saw a trailer for it on 60 Minutes.

Blurb was "One of America's greatest cover-ups."

So I think I will pass.

[Niagara]

24. I'm interested

in seeing this movie. I'll wait until it streams instead of paying to see at the movie theater.

I like to read and watch anything about the Kennedy's which includes CNN's American Dynasties:The Kennedy's on Sunday nights. I've recently read the newest book on Kick Kennedy by Barbara Leaming and I had a difficult time putting down the book The Other Mrs. Kennedy by Jerry Oppenheimer.

We all make mistakes. I think Ted was heavily intoxicated and wasn't thinking clearly when his car went off the road. Nobody would be able to think clearly in that situation.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

25. Ill pass on this one. Its probably another rightwing propaganda piece.

Ted was such a good and loyal progressive, it was a painful time and I’d rather not rehash it.

[revmclaren]

26. Nope. Not in the least interested.

Just more red meat for the tRumper crowd.

[LenaBaby61]

55. "Nope. Not in the least interested."

Same here.

Just more red meat for the tRumper crowd.

Probably THIS ^^^

I guess since ALL or MOST of these local news stations are moving to the right, they'll probably be having the Hillary Clinton story in a few years. Probably float the meme that she did sell ruSSia uranium, killed Vince Foster and throw in the Pizza gate LIE for good measure . Oh, and throw Bill in there and bring up the Lewinsky affair all over again, but slant it to a right-winged meme.

Meanwhile tRump, ruSSia the GOP with putin's help of course, are destroying this country REAL TIME, and thanks to Sinclair Broadcasting, increasing numbers of these local news outlets are running with the "Does Robert Mueller and the FBI have a vendetta against Pres. tRump?" trope.

[RandySF]

27. No

[bronxiteforever]

28. Nope.

[47of74]

29. After Ted died someone pointed out something about Mary Jo Kopechne

After Ted died someone pointed out something about Mary Jo Kopechne - reich wingers tended (and still tend) to look at Mary Jo as some sort of conservative hero, but she was strongly liberal and had she lived would have been opposed to all the crap they pulled over the years.

[Stuart G]

60. no

[argyl]

30. No.

[TomSlick]

31. Pass.

Time does not weigh that heavily on my hands.

[Golden Raisin]

32. For me, the current daily destruction of our democracy

and our Republic by Trump and the complicit Republican Congress take vast precedence over the events of almost 50 years ago. And I was 20 at the time of Chappaquiddick so I lived through it.

[Va Lefty]

33. I'll catch it later. From what I've read it's not a hit job.

[LakeArenal]

35. Nope

[Vinnie From Indy]

37. nope

[Ohiya]

38. I'd see if for one thousand dollars.

Not one penny less.

[Paladin]

39. Nope. I make it a general practice to avoid right-wing jerkoff material. (nt)

[TexasBushwhacker]

40. Nope. Not interested

Plus, I can't stand Kate Mara. I've seen more expressive faces on mannequins.

[marble falls]

41. I'm certainly not going to see it. I don't watch monkeys at the zoo throw feces, either.

[Little Star]

42. That's a nope for me.....

I lived through that time in real life here in MA.


I love the Kennedy's and am glad to see MA Rep. Joseph Patrick Kennedy III following in his family's political footsteps.

[Tipperary]

47. Well, he should not have waited 10 hours to report the accident.

[kairos12]

48. Nope!

[still_one]

51. nope

[kacekwl]

52. No

It's being advertised heavy on RW media so I expect a hatchet job.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. The timing of this is all I am seeing

Timing of the movie I mean

[janterry]

54. Sure, why not

Thoreau nearly burned down the woods that he loved - (he could have destroyed the town, in fact)
before he moved to the pond and wrote his book.

People make mistakes. I imagine Ted, while he was alive, thought of this as a terrible mistake. I don't know if he did all he could (none of us can know). But most trauma survivors look back and wonder if they could have done more. I'm sure he did, too. The trick is not to get stuck in that - to also move forward in life.

For the most part, I think he accomplished that - which makes him both human and inspirational.

[Freethinker65]

56. No. Never saw JFK. And I would not need to see a movie about Laura Bush's fatal car accident.

It just is not the kind of movie dramatization I typically like.

[Wwcd]

57. The story's been told. Ted Kennedy did more for human rights in his years than

all the enquiring minds put together.

I'll choose to remember him for his good works.




Ted Kennedy on Health Care 1978/79
http://www.newsweek.com/ted-kennedy-and-health-care-reform-1979-207062

A Timeline of Kennedy’s Health Care Achievements And Disappointments

By Jennifer Evans and Jaclyn Schiff
8 years ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.org/news/kennedy-health-care-timeline/amp/

Aug. 26, 2009

Sen. Edward Kennedy never had to worry about getting quality healthcare, but he spent much of his career seeking to guarantee that all Americans had that same access to health services he had. “Every American should be able to get the same treatment that U.S. senators are entitled to,” he wrote in Newsweek last month. “This is the cause of my life.”

Read the highlights of his health policy milestones.

In Newsweek describing his vision for reform He wrote:

“For four decades I have carried this cause-from the floor of the United States Senate to every part of this country. It has never been merely a question of policy; it goes to the heart of my belief in a just society.”


His accomplishments speak to the heart & soul of who he was.

Sen. Edward Kennedy announced his proposal for a national health care plan at the Capitol on May 15, 1979. Behind him, large charts illustrate rising health costs in the U.S.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112242975


Health Care was Always a Democratic Platform

Thank you Senator Ted Kennedy

[Mike Nelson]

58. No...

...wish he was sober and able to save her... wish his handlers had not waited, and all were more straightforward. I can't imagine the pain he went thru, with his siblings shot to death and then, this... and her family having their beautiful young daughter killed so tragically... the "clips" from the movie look awful, to me. I don't like the tone...

[Chipper Chat]

59. no

just no

[ornotna]

61. Meh

Not really interested.

[jalan48]

67. Not really