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Related: About this forumThe Lincoln Project is not the friend of Progressives
The Lincoln Project is doing great work against Donald Trump. While progressives should welcome their actions they should not fall into a false camaraderie.
https://egbertowillies.com/2020/07/18/progressives-lincoln-project-not-friend/
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,947 posts)If they revert back to being Republican assholes after the election we'll deal with them then. Right now the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
kimbutgar
(21,240 posts)Especially now.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)lapfog_1
(29,239 posts)to help us get rid of a cancer.
Once the cancer is gone... no more need for the chemical.
that said we will be forever grateful to have the aid of the treatment to eliminate the cancer.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)Thank God they are there now, but we shouldn't be wooed.
If they really want to beat him they should raise all the issues about how and why the vote is rigged. Gerrymandering, hidden poll taxes, voter purges etc etc. But they won't because that really would effect all Republicans at every level.
mucifer
(23,598 posts)But, they claim that is something they are working on.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)later they won't be. So what. Temporary allies happen all of the time.
The idea that you think liberals somehow think they will forever be on our side and thus need your guidance to avoid this, shows how little you think of other liberals apparently.
flying_wahini
(6,684 posts)Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)and rebuild from the ashes. They are not liberals, they are not progressives and if you read Rick Wilson's book "Running Against the Devil" he point blank states that.
These guys are laser focused on getting rid of trump and if that means co-operating with us for the time being they're willing to do that. We should be as focused and stop being upset that these guys aren't going to show up at a campfire, roast marshmallow, and sing Kumbaya with us.
They're not changing who they are and they never claimed they were going to change,
JudyM
(29,294 posts)They talk passionately in GOP code about right to life, small government, lowering taxes just like the GOP, not like Dems.
chowder66
(9,098 posts)But I also appreciate some of the Lincoln Project ads though I am concerned about the people behind them and their past rhetoric.
doc03
(35,431 posts)hlthe2b
(102,491 posts)you can admonish us for taking their support and even come out and directly accuse other DUers and Progressives of being the naive' dupes you suggest.
Until then, this is getting very old and ridiculous.
Midnight Writer
(21,830 posts)I agree the ads are effective and hard hitting. And I welcome all the resources we can muster in what I see as a pivotal battle in our history.
But I am dumbfounded that it takes conservative expatriates to mount an effective ad campaign, especially when the opponents gaffes and blunders are so well documented.
Case in point. The all GOP delegation of US Senators that spent a Fourth of July holiday in Moscow. When I bring this up to my conservative friends, they really react. Why is this trip not a subject of Democratic ads?
Or the video of Trump saying "Why don't we go ahead and take their guns now and worry about due process later?" That should make the 2nd Amendment fundamentalists' heads explode. Yet I don't see that ad.
mucifer
(23,598 posts)Don Winslow the author is making some great ads.
https://twitter.com/donwinslow
Biden's team has some great ads, too
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts)... Remember, the Lincoln Project is aiming at a very narrow slice of Republicans, because it knows that Trump can be defeated if a small percentage of Republicans vote against him.
alwaysinasnit
(5,078 posts)that allowed such a POS to preside over the presidency. That would include the voter suppression, gerrymandering, the take-over of state legislatures, etc. Redemption would also require that they work to reverse that apparatus, not just removing 45 from the White House. That said, I won't be holding my breath.
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)shunned the masses of Democrats who migrated their way?
Yeah. Me neither
ThoughtCriminal
(14,050 posts)And for once they are pointing them in the right direction. But a few cautions:
1) Very few people are actually seeing these ads. They are primarily aiming them straight at Trump and are really getting under his skin.
2) The day may come when they will point the flamethrower back at Democrats. It is the kind of skill they would be pointing at Biden if he was running against someone like Romney.
3) We could learn a thing or two from them without becoming them. They know how to destroy, but not how to run a government.
AJT
(5,240 posts)Just remember how good they are at being nasty.
bucolic_frolic
(43,442 posts)Listen closely to the tweets of their members for subtle angles against protestors. Steve Schmidt today mentioned "anarchists". It's like yeah, he's against Trump's tactics, but he has to remind you what he thinks of the protestors.
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts). . . Their ads are targeted towards fellow Republicans who support Trump. No one is going to convince any Trump voter that the protesters are anything other than anarchists. Schmidt knows who he is speaking to.
bucolic_frolic
(43,442 posts)I need to broaden my radar.
paleotn
(17,997 posts)The enemy of my enemy may be my friend for a short while, he's still my enemy. Just not as bad as the existential threat we're both fighting. And one could argue the Lincoln Project is Dr. Frankenstein trying to reign in the monster he created. While we appreciate the help, guys like Wilson carry much responsibility for this debacle.
MuseRider
(34,136 posts)I am feeling quite tired of reading this. Of course we are not all so stupid to think that this will not carry past the election, unless Trump wins again.
I think y'all should stop being so concerned that the ex R's in that group are doing better anti Trump ads than anyone. Yes the others are good but not like these. They are not targeted at Democrats and actually they are not usually targeted at the Republicans I believe because Trump is the enemy of all. They probably think we are all smart enough to realize what is going on. Sadly it seems "our side" think we are as stupid as Trump does.
JI7
(89,283 posts)what's with the victim complex that some so called progressives have ?
We need all the help and votes we can get to win and that means people who lean different politically.
JI7
(89,283 posts)They love to discourage support for Democrats during elections.
at a time when trump and barr are sending out thugs to grab innocent people off the streets they are more concerned about purity if those who want to get rid if trump.
cayugafalls
(5,652 posts)without their help?
I get it, they did bad things.
I hope they keep doing bad things to the republican party until not one single trump lite person is left.
I hope we learn from them how to play the game. Once they are done rebuilding the republican party at least we will know our enemy well enough to fight them on their own terms, IF WE PAY ATTENTION.
That is all, sorry for the mini-rant.
JI7
(89,283 posts)their whole thing is how others ars lacking in perfection and purity.
magicguido
(6,315 posts)ancianita
(36,204 posts)TomSlick
(11,126 posts)We all know the Lincoln Project is Republican - that's what makes them so effective. This isn't about philosophical purity. It's about defeating Trump and his sycophants.
If the Republicans in the Lincoln Project can advance that objective, that cannot be a bad thing.
Thekaspervote
(32,819 posts)Upthevibe
(8,100 posts)It's very important for us to remember our definite ideological differences. Having said that, someone else posted what sums it up and what I agree with: The enemy of my enemy is my friend....
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts)I don't really think so.
A Clear n Present D
(32 posts)But it is a friend to all who wish to be rid of Trump! Dems can resume our internecine battles after that goal has been achieved.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)more than the US bought into the Stalinist ideology after working together to defeat Hitler. This is grown up time.