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Related: About this forumMichael Moore Gives MSNBC's Centrist Hosts a MUCH Needed Reality Check
I didn't put it into the primaries forum, because its not about a specific candidate. Moore is addressing the MSM and talking in general, about how the center in American politics has moved, and how the press, even MSNBC, still lives in a world where they ignore the polls showing the majority of Americans are for more gun control, universal healthcare etc, and instead pretend those opinions only apply to some insignificant fringe left.
Okay, the host of the YouTube channel is an unabashed Bernie supporter, as is Michael Moore. So if that fact is too much to handle for some, just skip the hosts preface and go directly to the clip of Moore talking to these regular hosts. From :50 > 3:38. They simply cannot interrupt no matter how much they want to, because there is nothing they can argue with.
I love the capture he uses as the video screen. Those helpless expressions are priceless.
The MSM including MSNBC are so terrified of honestly representing the majority view of Americans as being the moderate one.
I'm not saying MSNBC does not do some great work. I don't know where we'd be without Maddow. But, especially when these Highly-paid commentators and politicians, get on these back-patting panels. they suffer from a lack of understanding, or refusal to understand, that the country actually wants what the more progressive candidates want too. That that is the new "moderate".
I predict another Moore invitational banishment.
Clash City Rocker
(3,390 posts)I couldnt care less what that jerk says.
justie18
(169 posts)I could not agree with you more!
Thanks for stating the truth.
KPN
(15,637 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)No fan of Moore!
ProfessorPlum
(11,253 posts)you are correct. If by "Democratic Party" you mean the party that lives up to the ideals and goals of FDR, you have it backwards.
Clash City Rocker
(3,390 posts)Why are you on Democratic. Underground? This is a place for people who support the Democratic Party, not for those who wish to trash it.
ihaveaquestion
(2,505 posts)No critique of party or policies allowed?
Sorry, but that's BS!
Clash City Rocker
(3,390 posts)Attacking the Democratic Party or members of the Democratic coalition, either from the right or the left, is forbidden. If you dislike the party, this may not be the right place for you. Thats all Im saying.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)This is why the board is called,Democratic Underground!
I have noticed many boards being inundated with new posters. All Republican Trump supporters. Wonder why?
ihaveaquestion
(2,505 posts)Take the criticism to heart or don't, but I don't think anyone should argue that he is trying to destroy the party.
bonniebgood
(940 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)IS AOC a Democrat?
Is Joe Manchin?
To take the one issue Moore focused on, the US healthcare system is ranked 37th for a reason. The only way to fix that is by removing the hold corporations have on what should be a human right. And that is single payer.
still_one
(92,061 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)And go Bernie!
mudstump
(342 posts)This is where the American people are.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)Thanks for posting.
pecosbob
(7,533 posts)and the 'Political Director' of NBC News. Chuckie helps the Dems like having a case of the crabs.
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)Leith
(7,808 posts)I have a neighbor who retired from a major health insurance company about 3 years ago. She retired with full Medicare and retirees' insurance benefits.
When she still worked for them, she was adamant that insurance companies were the way to go and they weren't going anywhere.
Then, her husband died after a prolonged illness. Every day she got a new medical bill in the mailbox. It didn't take long for her to cry every time she went to get her mail. It took about 10 months to get paperwork straightened out - and she still had connections with high level people at the insurance companies.
She's not so gung-ho on insurance companies any more.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,295 posts)Thanks for the thread LiberalLovinLug.
Gothmog
(144,926 posts)MSNBC should not have Moore on.
radius777
(3,635 posts)narrative, conveniently ignoring it was they who ditched Dems over the issue of social justice (civil rights, women's rights, etc), into the arms of Nixon and then Reagan.
Moore likely dreams of the days when the Dem party looked more like him, a white guy in a hat, than like Joy Reid, an urban black professional. That isn't 'centrism vs leftism' but metropolitan diversity (current base of the Dem party) vs heartland whiteness (base of the old FDR/Dixiecrat Dem party).
ProfessorPlum
(11,253 posts)Moore wants the working class not to get screwed, and that includes whites and minorities. He's done more than nearly anyone on this board to try to help achieve this. He's done more than most Democratic politicians to help achieve this.
This is a classless post, made with either malicious intent or dumb ignorance of the man.
RobertDevereaux
(1,847 posts)Gumboot
(531 posts)He's been a hero of mine since the days of Roger & Me, and he nails it 100% here.
Many thanks for posting, 'Lug!
Lock him up.
(6,920 posts)on average each year, sick or healthy, is it another story?
RussBLib
(9,003 posts)$9480/yr pay (in US $'s) vs $8456 post-tax take home
Those are extreme poverty wages, and we're letting this punk-ass country (Russia) dictate our politics?
Lock him up.
(6,920 posts)Russian mob (Putin) to do that. I think their elections are rigged and the dissenters eliminated.
The Russiablican cultists are too stupid to see what's going to happen to them if they keep protecting the orange anus.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)There are lots of countries where citizens get much more for their tax dollar, and keep a higher percentage of their earnings, than in the US.
Even those with a bigger tax bite get much more in services than the US.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I also wonder if 'employee contributions to health care plans' are considered as 'take home pay' in this chart in countries (like US) where it's common for employees to contribute.
I could see it being counted thusly, inflating the apparent % that US citizens 'take home'.
Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #33)
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Lock him up.
(6,920 posts)SPHC. It's just that media-driven RW propaganda, like for instance, accusations of ''Socialism'' and ''radical'' seem not being countered loud enough (if at all) with, for example, ''far right'' or ''extreme right'' ...
Also, it's tough for progressive Dems who would want to establish SPHC to win the WH & both the House and Senate to pass and implement the system, taking into account what the insurance corporations would do to fight back (perhaps by going to the SC?).
It would take a massive number of people in favor of it in polls and marches in the streets on a constant basis IMHO.
DBoon
(22,340 posts)... for a more cost efficient public health system would be an improvement I support.
I can spend $1000 for a private insurance company that will not answer the phone or respond to online questions, that hits me with surprise costs, and that won't cover ordinary expenses.
Or I can spend $990 in taxes for a public healthcare plan that does not spend huge amounts of effort trying to keep me from accessing healthcare I pay for.
When you only look at taxes, and do not consider direct out-of-pocket and pretax payments to private insurers, you are inherently making a right wing libertarian argument that all taxes are bad and all expenditures to private entities are good.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that point ...
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)despite the less take home money from your cheque. To show them that it is like contributing to a much larger pool than their own private insurer, thus less cost per person. Add to that, no middle man, or executives or shareholders to scoop off their take. Plus no pleading with insurance companies for coverage as their job is to DENY you, because they work for their companies bottom line. And its 10x harder to educate the public with not only Fox News and RW radio and internet spouting fake news about it, but the MSM networks as well. I still remember Doctor Gupta on CNN smearing single payer and lauding the private system every day during the debates before the ACA.
More than that, its convincing many Americans that Big Gob'mint will do it right, or that its not just another excuse for another tax and less money in their pocket, for some big boondoggle that they don't need. Especially with the push back from the News media, Republicans, PLUS some older respected Democrats who take donations from those corporations. Add to that the more lucrative hospitals and doctors. There is a huge steep unfair playing field just to get anything passed. It would have to be embraced by enough Republicans as well. It would take a 10 + year commitment. If Republicans would stop playing games of pushing buttons, and instead stood by the conservative mandate of reducing household costs for families, and businesses too BTW, they would get behind it.
As a Canadian that has my Medicare, I don't think many Americans understand that its not just a monetary thing, although you would on average pay half of what you do now. Which that chart does not show. Its also effects the national psychology in general in a very positive way. When everyone in a country doesn't even have to think about what happens if they get sick or injured, for their kids, or themselves. All their lives. It is a whole other way of living. There is no such thing as "pre-existing conditions". Here its called your "medical history". Also, we never use the word "insurance" in regards to our medical services, what does insurance have to do with a human right? Anyways, I just think that many Americans do not appreciate what that kind of peace of mind can do to help you be successful in other areas of your life. I mean how can you? I just want the same for you, my friends down there.
There's a reason why some countries are higher on the happiness charts. Although the UK is a bit of an outlier. Grumpy Limeys.
Lock him up.
(6,920 posts)that is tough, IMHO. See my reply #53 above.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Oh yeah, we just love being screwed over by the health care industry. Williams, McCaskill, Reed, Schmidt, just a bunch of Corporate ass lickers. You can tell by the look on their faces that Moore is giving them a real dose of honesty.
McKim
(2,412 posts)My hope for the Democratic Party is that we take a lesson from Michael Moore and learn how to communicate with your average person! The reality is that we are a dumbed down nation and working folks have precious little free time to watch news. The big suits and fancy commentators on MSNBC look very comfortable economically. Their fancy words are not going to win over many in South Succotash PA.
Magoo48
(4,698 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)MSNBC is not a progressive channel. Yes, it has some progressive hosts, but it is owned by NBC.
Polling consistently shows that single payer is what most people want. But the healthcare industry is spending billions in advertising to frighten people.
And they are doing so because their profits are threatened.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)damage Hillary and see trump elected? That Michael Moore ?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)That has exposed corporate greed, Roger and Me
The Bush crime family lies about 9/11, Fahrenheit 9/11
The only journalist to actually go to countries with single payer to compare with the US during the debates before the ACA, Sicko.
Oh right, the guy that dared to support Bernie instead of Hillary,
But still went out of his way to make a pro voting Hillary film in an "October surprise" he called "Trumpland".
Can Michael Moore Actually Change Minds About Hillary Clinton? - Michael Moore in TrumpLand is an impassioned pro-Clinton preach to the choir.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/10/michael-moore-in-trumpland-review
That work was blasted by BTW by some group called the World Socialists I found while googling. So if THEY didn't like it....
Michael Moore in TrumpLand grovels in praise of Hillary Clinton
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/10/27/moor-o27.html
lynintenn
(644 posts)Auggie
(31,133 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)He never said he was voting for Trump, just that he saw a trend. Moore goes all around the country (including the Rust Belt states) and speaks to people. He didn't call the collusion angle, but he accurately predicted what would happen. Trump got the "Deliverance" states that gave him the Electoral College majority.
You should be just as pissed at Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for that Superdelegate crap that gave us a vulnerable candidate. I voted for Hillary, but she's been in the public eye for too long and the Dem voters who stayed home that night were probably burned out. Shame on them too. And then there are the hundreds of thousands of likely Dem voters who lost their voting rights in 2015 and 2016 by corrupt state governments and the damn Supreme Court.
In this video, Moore is 100% correct. And OUR party (since the New Deal) has consistently been on the side of the majority. We're also correct in our social views. Look at the Viet Nam protests, the Civil Rights Movement, Women's Lib, gay rights, the environment and climate. These are all Democratic Party causes. The problem is that "whoever has the gold makes the rules", and so the rich (American and Russian) bought and won the 2016 election.
Moore wants to make sure Assface is a one-term LOSER (to use one of Trump's favorite words). Give him a break.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)MuseRider
(34,095 posts)I have always liked MM. You apparently now have to agree with someone 100% (or they have to agree with you) to not smear them all over the place. How lovely, not exactly the way to move anything let alone a party.
Let's all just agree and anyone else needs to be kept away.
Anyway, thanks. I like him, I think he speaks to a lot of people. I don't feel the need to be 100% with him but I find I mostly am very close to the ideas he speaks about.
Did he say something bad about one of our candidates in the past? His opinion, he must be shunned. LOL, thanks for posting this.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)scipan
(2,338 posts)Remember when he said some people in Flint would vote for Trump as a symbolic Molotov cocktail at the government.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)the center of the party has moved left.
cp
(6,617 posts)Will always listen to what he says. Very well paid commentators should spend a year with working stiffs.