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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - Bias In Medicine (with Wanda Sykes and Larry David) (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 OP
It was a very good segment. (Love me some Wanda!) Behind the Aegis Aug 2019 #1
I agree that having Wanda Sykes weigh in was a brilliant idea! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 #2
Right?! 21st century and this shit is still happening. Behind the Aegis Aug 2019 #3
You're right! We were aware of these biases a few decades ago, but they're still happening today Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 #5
Loved Alpha House! Behind the Aegis Aug 2019 #6
I loved Alpha House, too! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 #7
+1 she is great! Saw her live last fall. bronxiteforever Aug 2019 #10
Great post. Thanks! alwaysinasnit Aug 2019 #4
Wow! That was a good one! ...nt 2naSalit Aug 2019 #8
The bias is real SLClarke Aug 2019 #9
White-centric government, medical biases, media. What's wrong with us? erronis Aug 2019 #11
Have dealt with bias LittleGirl Aug 2019 #12
I am so sorry, my friend! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 #14
Oh, so you have LittleGirl Aug 2019 #16
That was a great show! smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #13
I agree, it really was exceptional! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 #15
Too bad we can't replicate LittleGirl Aug 2019 #17
A Real Doctor Largely Agrees Video Drone Aug 2019 #18
Interesting take on this, thanks for posting! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 #19

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
1. It was a very good segment. (Love me some Wanda!)
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:12 AM
Aug 2019

There is also a real bias against the LGBT community, as well. My brother is a doctor and a few months ago attended a bias training in Boston dealing with these very topics, including anti-LGBT bigotry, in the medical field. I sure women and people of color are familiar with this, as are LGBT people, but I sure there are many who aren't in those groups and this is new information. It is amazing how bias is so ingrained in so many areas of our lives.

Rhiannon12866

(205,228 posts)
2. I agree that having Wanda Sykes weigh in was a brilliant idea!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:21 AM
Aug 2019

She's both smart and entertaining! I became aware of the bias against females ages ago. I was a psych major and remember hearing that women weren't included in most medical studies. And the ignorance regarding black people truly boggles the mind! So it certainly figures that LGBT people would confront the same issues as well. And yet this is still happening in the 21st century!

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
3. Right?! 21st century and this shit is still happening.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:29 AM
Aug 2019

I got my master's in University administration, and in all the studies about diversity, LGBT were never mentioned (I actually created a course which is still taught there...well a version of it), so I wasn't surprised when I spoke to my friends getting psych degrees and finding out various groups were "studied" but not really, like the example in the piece about uterine cancer and NO women! WTF?! While heart attack symptoms can be different for women, so can stroke symptoms, something many women don't even know!

If you haven't seen Wanda's newest standup (I think it is a few months old) on Netflix, check it out! It is a scream!

Rhiannon12866

(205,228 posts)
5. You're right! We were aware of these biases a few decades ago, but they're still happening today
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:00 AM
Aug 2019

And I went to a pretty progressive school, so we were discussing these issues even back then. I remember hearing that women experience the symptoms of a heart attack differently, yet even now not much has changed. And the uterine cancer study he reported on truly boggles the mind!

That is very cool that you broke new ground in creating a course! I knew several gay classmates when I was in school, like I said my school was pretty progressive, it was never a secret. But I discovered recently that one of my psych professors was as well. That was never mentioned.

And thanks for the recommendation! Wanda Sykes is a long time favorite. I can also recommend "Alpha House," which I watched ages ago - she was also in that, just not of the main characters. That was also very funny and has a terrific cast - Rachel Maddow even makes an appearance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_House

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
6. Loved Alpha House!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:16 AM
Aug 2019

It was a hoot!

It really is sad when people just don't understand differences don't have to mean people are unworthy, but it means they are different, and those differences add to who they are.

Rhiannon12866

(205,228 posts)
7. I loved Alpha House, too!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:20 AM
Aug 2019

The characters were just terrific! I watched several episodes more than once. There was talk of them doing a third season and I was hopeful, but I guess it's not going to happen...

SLClarke

(41 posts)
9. The bias is real
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:11 AM
Aug 2019

For those interested, you could read "Invisible Women" by Perez, which looks at multiple fields where this bias exists, however, as a health care provider, the one titled "The Yentl Syndrome" is the most disturbing.
Mind you, the example of men being studied regarding uterine issues is appalling and crazy and weird, and at the same time, almost funny in its ignorance and blindness. Misogyny rules!
Very happy that Oliver brought this up.

erronis

(15,241 posts)
11. White-centric government, medical biases, media. What's wrong with us?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:58 PM
Aug 2019

All of us. Not just the US. Not just the so-called descents of the Mayflower or the DAR.

Loving Wanda!

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
12. Have dealt with bias
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:16 PM
Aug 2019

All my life. I couldn’t get pregnant and no doctor could figure it out. After my hysterectomy, I found out I had thyroid disease. WTF? A simple blood test is all that was needed but instead I suffered with low thyroid, EBV, endometriosis, poly cystic ovary syndrome and surgical menopause by age 44. Never once given pain medication and even my mother told me to suck it up and quit complaining. I have PTSD from my poor health yet nobody believed me, including the doctors. The best thing I did was find a Naturopathic MD who helped me get healthy. She was the only one that listened to me. I owe her my good health now. She’s a saint in my book.

Rhiannon12866

(205,228 posts)
14. I am so sorry, my friend!
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:11 AM
Aug 2019

There's no excuse for that in this day of medical advances, but John and Wanda spoke the truth. I'm low thyroid, have been on meds for years, but my issue back in the '90s was fibroids. I was lucky, had my first two surgeries at Mass General in Boston - I was determined to avoid a hysterectomy. Yet my grandmother, who was pretty enlightened about most things, kept saying "tell that nice nurse in Boston to remove your female organs." By that, she meant my surgeon who was female! I could actually laugh about it at the time. And I was in a lot of pain, but got a extension of my pain meds from my acupuncture doctor - I saw him regularly and it helped, but didn't cure me, I needed the surgery. And he kept telling me to "just call her (my surgeon) - it's not like a scalpel is going to shoot out of the phone!" We females go through a lot, I've been there, too...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
13. That was a great show!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 08:13 PM
Aug 2019

And I loved seeing Wanda Sykes! Humorous as usual, but its a very serious issue. This is why all my doctors are women (with the exception of an orthopedic trauma surgeon, but I didn't have much of a choice and he was the top Dr. at MGH, so I didn't mind that much).

I feel like female doctors take me more seriously and spend more time with me. I really love the doctors I have here in Boston and I feel like I get excellent care. I am sure there are many fine male doctors out there as well, but if they don't have a woman's body, they don't really know what it feels like to be us. They will never really understand, and many of the old-timers aren't the least bit empathetic.

Anyway, I think as time goes on we will see more female and minority doctors and healthcare professionals and this bias will change.

Thanks for posting, Rhiannon!

Rhiannon12866

(205,228 posts)
15. I agree, it really was exceptional!
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:33 AM
Aug 2019

He rarely has guests, so Wanda Sykes was a special treat - and quite perfect at what she had to say, and with humor, too! I think I told you that I had surgery (twice) at Mass General and the surgeon who I was lucky to find - she was recommended to me - was female! I agree that Boston is the best place in this part of the country to go for serious medical issues. Someone I know just had serious - and successful - heart surgery also at Mass General - and he's a doctor himself, so knew the best place to go!

Rhiannon12866

(205,228 posts)
19. Interesting take on this, thanks for posting!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:23 AM
Aug 2019

I have no reason to doubt John Oliver's research, he always has a solid show - or admits it if there has been a mistake - but this was a topic that resonated with people personally, so the follow up is appreciated! And welcome to DU!

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