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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:39 AM

Dems Abandoning Pelosi on Trump Impeachment

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Response to rsacamano (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:41 AM

1. David Pakman...



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Response to lapucelle (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:39 AM

4. I have a hard time taking him seriously. As much as he talks...

... I can only assume he likes to listen to his own voice. In many annoying ways, he reminds me of Cenk Uygur.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:10 PM

10. I cannot watch either Pakman or Cenk Uygur.

There is just something about how they "word" their reports that grates like chalk on a chalkboard for me.

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:59 PM

11. Wow. The Confirmation Bias here is truly sad.

Somebody please turn off the echo chamber.

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Response to rsacamano (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:41 AM

2. lol, Pelosi controls what happens and she is the power in control of the house

 

she knows how to proceed. I don't listen to any of the "noise" on what has to happen now from any one. This is noise

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Response to rsacamano (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:53 AM

3. I doon't think they are "abandoning" her


She is probably just waiting for enough dems to get on board with impeachment, then she will drop the hammer on tRump.

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Response to orangecrush (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:48 AM

6. Yup. But she is also feeling some pressure I'm sure ... and that pressure is undoubtedly

playing a role in her evolving language about impeachment. Pressure is good if it's viewed as support rather than opposition. She is aware of and makes that distinction I'm sure.

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Response to KPN (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:50 PM

9. exactly.

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Response to rsacamano (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:43 AM

5. Yeah, Good Luck With That

Amazing how many people are sure the Dems are in disarray, Nancy doesn't know what she's doing, impeachment should've started yesterday yadda, yadda, yadda...especially born again Republicans.

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Response to rsacamano (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:57 PM

7. No they're not. Why present a false premise here?

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Response to rsacamano (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:43 PM

8. Agreed. They are not. We are having a discussion. My concern is that Pelosi

 

Ignored all the pressure to impeach Bush and it cost us the House. There was never a president more deserving of impeachment. The law requires it. The constitution requires it. Once the evidence of all his crimes is revealed (house has massive investigative powers once impeachment proceedings begin to obtain evidence from any source) to the public, the public will agree with impeachment. Remember Nixon did not have enough senators to vote to convict before impeachment proceedings began in the House. But afterwards there were enough to convict which is why he resigned. Same will happen with Trump. Impeachment will lead to his resignation. Dems will suffer if we fail to impeach...again. Trump must be taken down now. Impeach.

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Response to onit2day (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:32 PM

12. I don't think failing to impeach Bush had anything to do w/losing the House.

There was no feeling or taste in the country that Bush should be impeached. Someone mentioned to me impeaching Bush, and I shook my head, indicating no. I didn't see any reason to impeach him. Did I hate him at one point? Yes. He and Cheney did some awful things. But no impeachable offense.

And think of how it would go down if the Democrats, having tried to impeach the last Republican President, are now going to try to impeach the next Republican President.

Trump will never resign. Never. Ever. Never. It's not in his DNA. He does not quit. That shows weakness. In fact, a few people have commented that they fear he won't leave the White House, even if he loses the election. He'll try to stay and say it was rigged. No, he'll use the impeachment to fire up his base. That doesn't mean we shouldn't impeach. But just so people are aware of what exactly it will and won't do.

Impeaching Trump will be on paper only. Which makes a record for history. That's the extent of it. And I think his actions warrant impeachment, even if the Republicans don't do their job and remove him from office. Congress could also file a secret indictment, so that he's arrested after he leaves office.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:08 AM

13. Hillary disagrees with you. She wants formal impeachment investigation hearings to start now.

Hillary made it clear in her WaPo Op Ed today that we must commence iformal impeachment investigation hearings:

Watergate offers a better precedent. Then, as now, there was an investigation that found evidence of corruption and a coverup. It was complemented by public hearings conducted by a Senate select committee, which insisted that executive privilege could not be used to shield criminal conduct and compelled White House aides to testify. The televised hearings added to the factual record and, crucially, helped the public understand the facts in a way that no dense legal report could. Similar hearings with Mueller, former White House counsel Donald McGahn and other key witnesses could do the same today.

During Watergate, the House Judiciary Committee also began a formal impeachment inquiry that was led by John Doar, a widely respected former Justice Department official and hero of the civil rights struggle. He was determined to run a process that the public and history would judge as fair and thorough, no matter the outcome. If today’s House proceeds to an impeachment inquiry, I hope it will find someone as distinguished and principled as Doar to lead it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hillary-clinton-mueller-documented-a-serious-crime-against-all-americans-heres-how-to-respond/2019/04/24/1e8f7e16-66b7-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html?utm_term=.108a5648959e

Hillary should know, she was there. The process started with a formal House Resolution: "An impeachment process against Richard Nixon was formally initiated on February 6, 1974, when the United States House of Representatives passed a resolution, H.Res. 803, giving its Judiciary Committee authority to investigate whether sufficient grounds existed to impeach Richard Nixon, the 37th President of the United States of high crimes and misdemeanors, primarily related to the Watergate scandal....The Judiciary Committee set up a staff, the Impeachment Inquiry staff, to handle looking into the charges, that was separate from its regular Permanent staff. Based upon the recommendations of many in the legal community, John Doar, a well-known civil rights attorney in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations who was a long-time Republican turned Independent, was hired by Rodino in December 1973 to be the lead special counsel for the Impeachment Inquiry staff. Doar shared with Rodino a view that the Senate hearings had gone overboard with leaked revelations and witnesses compelled to testify under immunity grants; they were determined to do things in a more thorough and objective process." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon

That is what we need to do now.

As I have also been saying for days (although Hillary does not mention it in her piece, BUT I AM SURE SHE KNOWS), regular oversight hearings do not give authority to Congress to obtain Mueller's grand jury info, only formal impeachment proceedings can do that.

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