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Night Watchman
(743 posts)You're like a Japanese soldier, still ready and waiting on your island, fully armed for a battle that has already been decided.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)PEACE! 
Ford_Prefect
(7,921 posts)
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)Is not correct. Not sure what the OP's intention was.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Is or is Not working has more to do than just with one democratic primary. The voting system is the back bone of democracy.
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villager
(26,001 posts)...and accurately.
You'd think.
840high
(17,196 posts)is a very strange year.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)By the way, how are your efforts progressing of winning over Bernie supporters to vote for Clinton in the GE? Any successes yet?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The comparison is DISGUSTING.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)At least there was no profanity--personally, that's what I find disgusting.
But, as the French say: "Les goûts et les couleurs, ça ne s'explique pas". (Tastes and colors can't be explained.)
Nitram
(22,892 posts)
shadowandblossom
(718 posts).
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)That's cruel.
What about harsh?
Rude?
Which word would you approve?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Humor is a very subjective thing.
Personally, I find profanity and gratuitous swearing to be "harsh" and "rude".
But, to each his own.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)If you think my language crude
If you think my language rude
Then excuse me, but you just may be a prude.
I could care less about swear words. They mean almost nothing to me. But continually making "jokes" at the expense of Bernie voters is NOT going to bring many people around to your cause (whatever that is - it's certainly not a very progressive one).
It takes more time for some to be able to deal with the cheating, rigging, and abject lying that many think stole the election from Bernie. You may not agree with that, but if you really cared enough to do the research...
Have a nice day.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts) retrowire
(10,345 posts)You don't decide when it's okay for others to be offended by your actions. You laughed and agreed with an analogy that mocked and compared Bernie supporters to Axis allies for standing by what's important to them.
Enough said. You're in the wrong, the analogy was tasteless and you're offensive.
Being sorry that people are offended by your actions doesn't cover you, it's the same as you smirking and turning away in real life.
But if that's you then... continue being what you are.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)And of course the poster after had to continue the ugliness! This is not a war of Bernie v Clinton. It is an act of guaranteeing every voters right to vote is honored and counted.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)You say "eeether", I say "iiither"--that's how it goes.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)If you've done nothing wrong then why are you so quick to bite at every post that finds your behavior deplorable?
Carry on.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Chuckling at a humourously ironic post is "deplorable"...well, whatever.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts) 
Loki
(3,825 posts)In the gaming world it is a derogatory and very unsportsmanlike comment, but it is subjective in part because of who it is directed towards ie. a worthy opponent or something you utter as an insult under your breath because you lost. Good sportsmanship has always been a character issue for me, and my son who played sports was instilled with that value by us, by his coaches, and by his own idea of honorable behavior.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)in my entire internet career, not surprising that I've never encountered that cryptic little insult before! 
Not to worry. I can take it...
"Derogatory" and "unsportsmanlike", pffffft. They roll right off.
"...it is subjective in part because of who it is directed towards ie. a worthy opponent..."--I'll even consider that as a badge of honor!
Loki, thank you for stepping up to enlighten me on the intended insult. You've "got game" as they say!
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Not interested in googling to find out.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But some people are still in the nyahnnyah nyaaaahh stage.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)I don't know if the post is legit, but what's still going on isn't really about Sanders nomination anymore, and it isn't over.
840high
(17,196 posts)I hope it does go on.
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)Leave the Japanese soldiers alone!!!
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Why the laughter?
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)maybe they find him humorous?
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Night Watchman
(743 posts)Did I say the Sabres still had a shot at winning the 1999 Stanley Cup? No, I did not. The result was not legit, but it's history: the Dallas Stars were the champions that year, just like George W. Bush became president in 2000 (or 2001, strictly speaking). Again, it was illegitimate, but it's the reality.
Gman
(24,780 posts)
MADem
(135,425 posts)The poster needs to review the TOS and stop fighting the last primary.
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)Many of us have accepted that Bernie won't be the nominee absent some major scandal or tragedy (neither of which most of us hope for), but we still care about the results in California because we are concerned about people being able to vote. It's in Hillary's interest to have people be vigilant about voting problems in the primaries so that hopefully they can be corrected prior to November, especially in a state like California with a Democratic governor where they might be correctable.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Give it a rest?!? You think the deceit and fraud that has culminated in the current state of affairs equates to "a battle that has already been decided"?!?
I don't.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Only the horse race matters not what people stand for, right? According to your logic why even bother to count the votes since Clinton was ahead in other states already. Honesty and fairness in the process matters in the democratic party...or did before the DLC's influence. If you can't trust the vote why bother to do it? Your divisiveness lingers on your authoritarian attitude and neither are good for the democratic party. Time for you to "give it a rest".
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)berniesandero
(96 posts)
George II
(67,782 posts)....Clinton won both.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Alex Jones makes "announcements all the time, it doesn't mean they are legitimate.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Hillary has won, including in California. There are about half a million votes left to count in CA, but nothing will change with the primary. It does not matter if Hillary wins by 450,000 votes or 500,000 votes or whatever.
No one is posting videos that "Orlando, Fl" goes for Hillary or whatever. Is this only an attempt to revive Sanders? Is there some other reason for the post?
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)may be of interest to DU members. Maybe not you, but many others would find this interesting.
Are you so uninterested in the fate of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party that this isn't of interest?
Sancho
(9,070 posts)I've been part of the "progressive" movement since the 60s! I learned early on that "progressivism" should not ultimately be driven by economics for example. I learned that elections are hacked or manipulated sometimes and have been as long as there has been voting. Is there something new this week in CA?
There are people who think that elections need better voting systems (we certainly agree with that in Florida). There are some who think that Bernie was "dissed" (I don't). There are some who think Bernie has some kind of lock on liberal values (certainly that's not true).
The question is simply, "How does this video of the continuing count of votes in CA make any point?"
When I come to DU and see an OP - sometimes the intent is obvious. In this case there was a random video of some old news that has little impact on the current primary as far as I could tell. I was just asking if there was some point or opinion other than what was apparent. There was no comment in the original OP.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)And that is sifficie t. If one other member on DU appreciates the information's it is worth sharing. If you don't care why click on the link? If you don't care why higher to read this post?
I think you care or you would have just moved on to the next story.
I care and enjoyed the post. And the hatred posted above proves an excellent point.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)In this case, the OP is someone speaking at a rally. There is no link or factual reference. As others have posted in the thread, the statement in the video is contradicted (or unverifiable) by official CA websites.
Meanwhile, it's not "new" that there were a bunch of uncounted ballots in CA. Over the last week or 10 days of counting, virtually nothing different in terms of outcome has been revealed, so unless ALL 500,000 ballots currently left go to one single Democratic candidate - the results will not change for the overall primary. No one believes that will happen.
There's nothing "new" in accusations of election manipulation. Hopefully CA's counting process is accurate even though there was some early confusion from new voters on how to register as a Democrat. As far as I can see from here in FL - that was resolved. I did not know if the OP was aimed at some new claim of voting fraud.
I was simply asking if the OP made some point that was new, or provided some new information. If not, it may be something of interest in a group (Bernie?) instead of in General Discussion: 2016.
I think that OPs on DU should usually make a clear point of the discussion or evidence. I think the title appears to be misleading at best.
Gman
(24,780 posts)
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Which is why there is only a random guy on a YouTube video making the claim as opposed to any news source of any kind.
George II
(67,782 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)These days it seems- not so much.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)There are many that needed to hear this today. Thanks for sharing.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)2016 has been a roller coaster of let down after let down in life, politics and musicians.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)convention. More delegates to vote down fracking and increase min wage etc. If companies have $245,000 to pay for speeches then they could also pay for maternity leave.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)to do the same for Clinton but not so if their good work was negated by cheating and incompetency. The results matter.
George II
(67,782 posts)LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)Response to berniesandero (Original post)
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fasttense
(17,301 posts)After finishing film school, she drove across the country to make LA her town. She loves the people, works for a union and is getting some of her ideas on film. She said everyone she knew was for Bernie. She said there was NOT one single Hillary sign that she had seen. She voted for the first time in her life. When the results came in, she went through all the stages of grief. She ended just being depressed and vowing to stay away from politics.
This will cheer her up and may not disillusion her so badly as to make her give up on politicss. That is the danger (and gift for RepubliCONS) of faulty rigged voting systems.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)The first part of the post was about how her daughter was thinking about quitting politics. Like we all haven't been there, but we stagger on after defeat and keep moving forward. Maybe she should explain that to her daughter.
The second part about the rigged voting system is a bunch of hooey. The system is far from perfect, but prove the rigged part for me, please. Thanks.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Because I am not sure the rules of the site allow me to go into too many details. But please come over to JackPineRadicals and I'll be happy to explain things to you.
Darb
(2,807 posts)for the empty reply and threat of tongue lashing at ........where again? You cannot deny what I said. If you do...go ahead and make your case that the above posters daughter doesn't need to grow up and fight on for what she believes. And go ahead and prove the "rigged" thing for me.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Telling people to just grow up and get over it (whatever it is) seems rather harsh. And DU posters are not allowed to post negative statements. So stop baiting people!
Have a happy happy day!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I can't even "correct" this statement, because my post would probably be disappeared. But thank you for trying. Yes, a lot of baiting going on around here.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)especially with all the baiting going.
I may have to take a long break.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Show me the program and how it works. Then I'll believe you.
"Going into a presidential election year, Secretary of State Alex Padilla says voting equipment in all of California’s counties is nearing the end of its life expectancy. He says the situation is becoming urgent, and could turn disastrous as it did in 2000.
“Most of us remember Florida that year, butterfly ballots, hanging chads,” he says. “And many experts point to the aging voting systems of Florida as responsible for the crisis that triggered the U.S. court’s intervention in the determination of who won the presidential election.”"
https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/03/02/time-running-out-for-californias-voting-machines
"Yeah, suck it up," "Suffer through it." "Shite happens," "Too bad for you, sore loser." Is that what you want me to tell her? Would that make your hard heart feel better if I berate my daughter?
Jeez, get some compassion, it wont hurt you. You are starting to sound like the other side.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)It has happened to us all.
Whether we like it or not, life does go on.
We may learn to not invest emotionally so heavily in another's political fortunes.
That may not be a bad thing.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)That is a a mature response?
Man, some people here have no idea how to help someone through a disappointment.
Get over it...Remember when the RepubliCONS said that to us Democrats when W and his daddy's supreme court stole the election?
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)You are, of course, wrapped up in your daughter's present loss.
You are entitled to do that.
I, looking on from afar, and having lived too long and seen and suffered many losses, both politically and in life, take a longer view.
When all is said and done, what's the alternative?
Live to fight another day.
Peace.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)So, it's a bit presumptuous to tell people to "get over it", and imply they are immature, because they get excited when more votes seem to be accruing for Bernie. Even if it doesn't change his position in the race, it does validate some of the energy and excitement his supporters all shared.
As far as being discouraged as a new young voter. I think it's pretty easy to put people down for voter apathy. Many people know from experience that their battles will never be won in a country run by the Oligarchy and establishment, and have given up. Directing their focus to their own lives and circumstances seems like a more effective use of their energy. Individuals often don't see the forest for the trees. They don't realize their votes would count if only everyone who is eligible would get out and vote. But then a lot of us know the reality is a lot of people just won't vote, period. They are not into anything but personal circumstances.
If we had a real democracy, where our votes really counted and politics were not bought and owned by the Oligarchy, it would change a lot of apathy to energy again. But regardless, not everyone is into politics. Just because you are, does not make you more mature...just more aware.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)People mature all their lives.
People grow in knowledge and wisdom all their lives.
My statement had nothing to do with individual candidates; I have stayed out of that discussion throughout the primaries.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)
However, you were responding to a woman who said her daughter was "giving up" on politics, and of course we all know who "lost" the election, so it's not quite working.
I'm not attacking you. It just sounded a little like you were saying it was immature of her daughter to opt out just because of one loss. I think it's totally understandable to feel the way her daughter does if her first foray into politics is so hyper and ends in such a defeat, when all appearances (crowds and enthusiasm) pointed to a different outcome. Yes, we all mature throughout our life (thank goodness), but some defeats early in life can really change a person's outlook and direction, and sometimes that's not a good thing.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:08 AM - Edit history (1)
I'm sure I felt just as bad at other Dem. candidate's losses over the years.
But those very early losses felt especially bad, and remain in my memory, since I had only lived under a Democratic Presidents up to Eisenhower.
And, being young, I had never experienced the pain of political losses until then.
You can call my response whatever you wish. Your perception is whatever you make of another's words. Perceptions are attitudinal - the attitude one brings colors one's perceptions.
I do not come to DU to argue - never have, never will.
I do come to discuss and to learn, and perhaps that's where my attitude is incorrect - when I attribute the will to discuss, learn and even support and sometimes console others who come here.
That's why I have not been involved in the back and forth of the primary forums, and all that they involved.
So I really don't even know the names and views and reputations on DU of those who have been so involved in the primaries.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Oh, please don't feel sorry for yourself. We all come here to discuss, learn and console. You are just one more.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)It dispels this notion totally. Keep in mind that it's Sanders people refuting it and providing proof to the contrary.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)I haven't seen any new reports from CA other than the counting continues. Without a comment or link - there was no clear reason for the OP or accuracy of the video.
Ford_Prefect
(7,921 posts)I can see several comments that attempt to clarify the differences between the claims in the video announcement and the facts as reported by the SOS for California.
Not what I had hoped for. However the video announcement does exaggerate and distort the results reported. It does not help when people announce what they claim as fact when all the facts are not in nor reported. That comment applies to ALL parties concerned IMO.
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Sancho
(9,070 posts)nothing new about that.
Have there been any rallies or national speeches by any candidate this primary focused on voting systems? Have CNN or MSNBC or anyone done any new reporting on DREs or vote-counting systems?
I've seen some attention, mostly by Hillary, about voter registration and poll access.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)California does not report votes by county.
There are 53 districts, 18 of which are in Los Angeles and 3 of which are in San Francisco.
District 34 in Los Angeles County, which includes a chunk of downtown LA has flipped from 50-49 Hillary to 50-49 Bernie.
The claim in the title of the OP (and the video) is false.
marble falls
(57,275 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)One of 18 districts within LA County did.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)If you go to the President Democratic - Statewide Results page and scroll down, you can see the results by county:
President Democratic - Los Angeles County Results
President Democratic - San Francisco County Results
The Unprocessed Ballots Report (PDF) also reports results by county.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)She took SF by over 8 pts with no provisional ballots left to count.
mjolnir56
(1 post)Bernie has lost…Give it a break and work for Hillary…This is not a hard concept…
demwing
(16,916 posts)if you believe that the process was unfair and lacked transparency, and/or that the presumptive candidate is corrupt and dishonest.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)"This is not a hard concept..."?!?
Bernie may not be the "presumptive nominee," but he has won far more than Hi11ary ever will: the hearts and minds of millions of our younglings and true progressives of all ages, from all walks of life -- who will continue to work towards effecting the change we hope to see in our compromised and corrupted political process.
(P. S. Welcome to my IL -- I don't know why I bother any longer since I spend far less time here.)
George II
(67,782 posts)As of Thursday morning Clinton won Los Angeles County:
Clinton - 738,527
Sanders - 582,360
Clinton won San Francisco County:
Clinton - 116,359
Sanders - 99,594
I'm more inclined to believe the California Secretary of State than some guy on a street corner with a megaphone.
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Those who claim she stole the nomination are embracing falsehoods.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)Hillary still leads in both counties.
Los Angeles County: Hillary 55.3%, Bernie 43.6%
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/county/los-angeles/
San Francisco County: Hillary 53.6%, Bernie 45.9%
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/county/san-francisco/
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/
Both of these counties are still counting.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)This goes way beyond any squabble over the Democratic Party primary voting.
U.S. elections ranked worst among Western democracies. Here’s why.
The 2015 annual Year in Election report compares the risks of flawed and failed elections, and looks at how well countries around the world meet international standards. The report gathers assessments from over 2,000 experts to evaluate the perceived integrity of all 180 national parliamentary and presidential contests held between July 1, 2012, and Dec. 31, 2015, in 139 countriese. These include 54 national elections held last year...
....The 2012 U.S. presidential election ranks 60th out of 180 elections worldwide, close to Bulgaria, Mexico and Argentina.
This is no one-time shortcoming. The 2014 U.S. congressional elections rank even worse, 65th out of 180 worldwide.
'The system is rigged': widespread dissatisfaction among US voters
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/guardian-reader-callout-voter-dissatisfaction-us-election-2016
U.S. voter turnout trails most developed countries
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/06/u-s-voter-turnout-trails-most-developed-countries/
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quickesst
(6,283 posts).....maybe you can call someone who cares.
#here%20is%20a%20quarter%20call%20somebody%20who%20cares%20640x571
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)You aren't doing her any favors completely turning off Bernie Sanders fans at a time when she's trying to play nice and bring them into the fold. You are hurting the presumptive nominee with hatefulness, and I'm against hate, just as she is.
phazed0
(745 posts)Keep it up.
TwilightZone
(25,485 posts)It just gives people false hope. Perhaps the motives you should be questioning aren't those of "you guys".
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johnp3907
(3,733 posts) brush
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spooky3
(34,483 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Please give this a rest, we need to concentrate on Trump and his crazy followers. Unless of course we want a repeat of what is going on in Britain or worse.
I know it is tough, but Bernie lost the primaries. Lets move on.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)johnp3907
(3,733 posts) still_one
(92,422 posts)story started, with the following comment:
"I was at the rally today. This sort of miscommunication is what's destroying this campaign's credibility. LOS ANGELES AND SAN FRANCISCO COUNTIES DID NOT FLIP TODAY. The guy on the stage seems to be the only one to know this info. The state of california isn't even divided by counties in the primary. It's divided by districts. As somebody who experienced the June 7th fraud first hand as a poll worker I consider myself to have some credibility in my knowledge of the situation. Someone else at the rally explained it far more eloquently, but the jist of their message was "more democrats in the state of CA voted for Bernie than voted for Hillary, but because the majority of those votes were provisional, they won't be counted." At this point Congressional District 34 in Los Angeles County has flipped for bernie SOURCE. Please do not succumb to quick draws on calling wins because it makes it that much easier for the corporate media/party leaders to portray us as uninformed and disorganized.
Please stay involved in the political process and let the DNC know what you think about the mass voter fraud in CA at (202) 863-8000.
Official Secratary of State Website with current ballot counts."
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4q0taw/la_and_sf_counties_officially_flipped_sanders/
I am sick and tired of slurs hurled at my state here on DU. Lies such as the OP's video spewing that "ballots were stolen", to posts that "provisional ballots aren't counted in California". Both are LIES.
For anyone who is actually interested in the facts, instead of bullshit, here is where it stands as of now:
Total Raw Counts San Francisco as of June 23, 2016 10:20 AM:
vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/county/san-francisco/:
Confirmed
Hillary: 116359 53.6%
Sanders: 99594 45.9%
Unconfirmed:
Hillary 274747
Sanders 242344
Total Raw Counts Los Angeles as of June 24, 2016 3:22 PM:
vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/county/los-angeles/
Confirmed
Hillary: 738527 55.3%
Sanders: 582360 43.6%
Unconfirmed:
Hillary 891052
Sanders 716253
Here is the index to the counts by Congressional District.
vote.sos.ca.gov/contests/president/party/democratic/
Here is the total counts far:
vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/
vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/president/party/democratic/
Los Angeles Congressional contain 18 districts:
LA
Los Angeles - District 23, District 25, District 26, District 27, District 28, District 29, District 30, District 32, District 33, District 34, District 35, District 37, District 38, District 39, District 40, District 43, District 44, District 47
Total Raw Counts Los Angeles:
San Francisco contain 3 districts
SF
San Francisco - District 12, District 13, District 14
Blingk
(9 posts)Counties. That's why you provided no links.
still_one
(92,422 posts)to that reddit site refers to it as miscommunication, but it was an intentional falsehood. The commenter from the reddit link also makes some bullshit statements, but the main point of the OP, and the comment is that the video's assertion is FALSE.
"I was at the rally today. This sort of miscommunication is what's destroying this campaign's credibility. LOS ANGELES AND SAN FRANCISCO COUNTIES DID NOT FLIP TODAY. The guy on the stage seems to be the only one to know this info. The state of california isn't even divided by counties in the primary. It's divided by districts. As somebody who experienced the June 7th fraud first hand as a poll worker I consider myself to have some credibility in my knowledge of the situation. Someone else at the rally explained it far more eloquently, but the jist of their message was "more democrats in the state of CA voted for Bernie than voted for Hillary, but because the majority of those votes were provisional, they won't be counted." At this point Congressional District 34 in Los Angeles County has flipped for bernie SOURCE. Please do not succumb to quick draws on calling wins because it makes it that much easier for the corporate media/party leaders to portray us as uninformed and disorganized.
Please stay involved in the political process and let the DNC know what you think about the mass voter fraud in CA at (202) 863-8000.
Official Secratary of State Website with current ballot counts."
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4q0taw/la_and_sf_counties_officially_flipped_sanders/
Here is the Facts:
Hillary won the Primaries
Hillary received the most votes in the Primaries
Hillary received the most pledged delegates in the primaries.
HILLARY IS THE PRESUMED DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE
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zebonaut
(3,688 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Duval
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chillfactor
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David__77
(23,520 posts)I have no data to indicate that the Secretary of State of has bad or out-of-date information.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)President. GO Hillary!
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)The independent votes but Clinton supporters who are insulting and talking down to Sanders supporters are dividing the vote because what they say to the Bernie supporters they are saying to the independents as well since he leads all comers in the independent voters. Here and at the Maddow blog the insults are rancid making one feel who would vote for someone who has such a-holes for supporters. Time to be pleasant and respectful of our differences and talk issues and not insulting vague generalities. The rude vile demeaning comments about Bernie's motivations etc act as vote killers, making people want to stay home rather than join those making fun of them. This petty shallow thinking focused on the horse race ignores 27 million people who differ slightly in their views but are just as intelligent and involved as those doing the mocking. The Trump on Bernie trolls act like Clinton supporters trying to divide the party by demeaning Bernie supporters. If the Clinton supporters would just stop it then we'd know who the real trolls are.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)She will gain almost all the Democratic votes, but is still working to gain the support of independents and even the odd republican.
I'm sorry you feel demeaned and feel the best way to vent your frustration is to vote for Trump (votes for anyone but Clinton will be a vote for Trump.) Posting false stories that Bernie won in places he didn't are really non starters for pleasantries and are somewhat disrespectful in themselves.
To understand the vote count, it is always best to go to the source which is the individual secretary of state's website rather than rely on some random person telling us what is so. Of course, that is JMHO
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)all other districts in that area are still for Hillary. Have not found info on San Fran yet, but the info in the OP is incorrect.
http://rebrn.com/re/la-and-sf-counties-officially-flipped-sanders-wins-both-jun-at-2653197/
edit:
According to California gov info, District 12 has not flipped to Bernie. That is San Francisco. However, according to the link posted above, some vote tallies will be updated tomorrow. I don't know for which districts. Not all provisional votes have been counted yet.
George II
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niyad
(113,587 posts)100.0% ( 22,356 of 22,356 ) precincts partially
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Candidate Votes Percent
Hillary Clinton
(Party Preference: DEM) 2,633,209
53.9%
Roque De La Fuente
(Party Preference: DEM) 7,930
0.2%
Henry Hewes
(Party Preference: DEM) 7,147
0.1%
Keith Judd
(Party Preference: DEM) 6,867
0.1%
Bernie Sanders
(Party Preference: DEM) 2,205,219
45.2%
Michael Steinberg
(Party Preference: DEM) 10,405
0.2%
Willie Wilson
(Party Preference: DEM) 11,435
0.2%
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)In LA County, Clinton leads Sanders by 147,602 votes, with only 111,920 ballots remaining, so it is mathematically impossible for him to win the county.
In SF County, Clinton leads Sanders by 16,765 votes, 53.6% to 45.9%, with all ballots counted, so he has lost the county.
