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Related: About this forumWhat happened at the Nevada Convention (a thorough, cogent analysis from a person who was there)
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merrily
(45,251 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)When you start attacking the ones fighting for democracy within the Democratic Party, you have lost your way.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The Nevada State Democratic Party has formally informed the DNC of their belief that Bernie Sanders' own campaign planned and orchestrated the convention disruption for "sinister" purposes.
Don't bother thinking they don't have evidence for their official and extremely serious charges. Every word will have been vetted by their attorneys.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/312844982/160516-Letter-DNC-RBC-NVDemsConvention
Some excerpts:
The Sanders Campaign spent its time either ignoring or profiting from the chaos it did much to create and nothing to diminish or mitigate. It was clear to the NSDP that part of the approach by the Sanders Campaign was to employ these easily-incensed delegates as shock troops to sway the convention proceedings. At the very least, these delegates became a way for the Sanders Campaign to seek the advantage of disruption at any particular moment while trying to disavow any responsibility for their actions even as it was ongoing. At no time did any Sanders representative make anything more than token gestures towards peace in the hall, and at the times of most intense crisis offered little more than shrugs and smirks.
The most egregious instance of the Sanders Campaign inciting disruptionand yes, violencecame as the State Conventions Credentials Committee completed its work. Adam Gillette, part of National Delegate Operations Team for the official Sanders Campaign, drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary, inaccurate, and wholly unauthorized minority report charging that the Credentials Committee had fraudulently denied 64 Sanders delegates their eligibility. The final delegate count had provided the Clinton Campaign with a 33 delegate advantage in the hall; one can imagine the rage occasioned by this inflammatory charge, tossed into the tinderbox of a tense convention hall. Not only did this discredit the work of the Credentials Committeewhich featured five Sanders delegates and five Clinton delegates and a Sanders co-chair, and who worked all day under extremely trying conditions to be fair and diligent in their dutiesit called into question the entirety of the proceedings because it indicated to an irrational minority that the proceedings had been rigged against them. Forcing their way onto the dais to deliver this paranoid fantasy of fraud and delegate theft was clearly intended to throw the proceedings into disarray. It succeeded. From that moment on, there was little hope for any peace or mutual understanding and respect between Sanders delegates and the NSDP; the mantra became simply that the convention had been stolen from the Sanders Campaign. Never mind that six of the 64 potential Sanders delegates referenced had been seated after investigation, or that most of the remaining 58 potential delegates had been disqualifiedappropriately, and by a panel evenly split between the campaignsfor not being registered Democratic voters in Nevada. Never mind that the same Credentials Committee had disqualified Clinton delegates for various reasons as well. Never mind, further, that just eight of those 64 potential Sanders delegates even attempted to register for the State Convention. All that mattered was the creation of a narrative of fraud and dispossession, which the Sanders Campaign fomented intentionally for its own political gain. This was an unconscionable act by an official Sanders Campaign representative, with full knowledge of its likely impact on the convention.
The people who fostered, encouraged, and gained from the unsettling scenes at the Nevada State Democratic Convention bring dishonor and discredit to our state and national parties. Having seen up close the lack of conscience or concern for the ramifications of their actionsindeed, the glee with which they engaged in such destructive behaviorwe expect similar tactics at the National Convention in July. We therefore formally complain to the DNC regarding these unfortunate events, and warn the body that the goal of many of these individuals, sanctioned or encouraged by the Sanders Campaign, is not party-building but something more sinister and unproductive. Their tactics speak for themselves, and have no place in our political process as Democrats.
merrily
(45,251 posts)my post to Duval. Perhaps you should make an OP of it?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I imagine the gentleman in the video has it practically memorized by now.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)at the Nevada convention was produced by people who were there. It's thus hugely relevant, and it would be entirely understandable if you wished it didn't call the report on that video into serious question.
I wonder if The Sanders Campaign will sue the Nevada State Democratic Party over this letter, risking increasing news coverage even if the filing is only for show, or try to move the narrative as quickly as possible back to, oh say, his statements of goals, where we all probably agree it should have been.
You do know, of course, that the NSDP will have hard evidence for every statement in the letter, of which every word will have been approved by their attorneys.
drokhole
(1,230 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But of course Bernie won't go there, just threaten suits long enough to get the threats in the news without following through. Well established pattern now.
And the DNC and the NSDP both have huge fish to fry and won't be wasting time in this mud pit manufactured strictly by Bernie's campaign for presumably his benefit in some way. So you'll be free to be as disgusted as you can work yourself up, but at least you have been introduced to a different reality.
drokhole
(1,230 posts)Drok
libodem
(19,288 posts)But I'm all about rebellion in the face of suppression.
Cool with me if he was.
wallyworld2
(375 posts)This internet radio show Nicole Sandlers, http://radioornot.com/
and
This blog, Howie Kleins Down With Tyranny http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/
are
essential when it comes to discussing the inner workings of the Democratic party.
Both have great contributors like Gaius Publius
I left out Ring of Fire Radio with Sam Seder, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Mike Papantonio https://fans.fm/ringoffire
libodem
(19,288 posts)wallyworld2
(375 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)than people who got physical, though I get their frustration.
The events were shameful and the judge was wrong. The state's taxpayers paid for a crooked primary of the "private organizations" and the primaries of the private organizations decide who we get to vote for for President. That's enough government action for his honor to pay some fucking attention to this "private" matter.
yuiyoshida
(41,869 posts)will bring Sanders supporters back into the fold, or maybe you are like Hillary and think she can win without Sanders supporters. Way to put a wedge between people in the party, but then of course you don't care one single bit, do you?
merrily
(45,251 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)I'm so agitated. Who oversees Primary Politics for coruption? Where does one appeal with evidence and numbers?
Do these events even HAVE poll watchers?
Where is the United Nations when you need them. Don't they poll watch?
This is so undemocratic. I'm livid. Even to suspend Roberts Rules Of Order. FFS its how you run a meeting. Girl Scouts know that. What is wrong with these people? A Dictatorship suddenly becomes appealing?
Good Goddess, this is worse than a Coronation. At least you have a Nationalistic Ferver to entitle with Nobility an Award of King an.Queen. Some supreme body of Americans to just make decisions.
This is French Revolution betrayal of the Haves and Have-Nots.
Fuck 'em.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)If they win, they will be remembered as losers; that's what historians will see when they look back at this whole primary.
wundermaus
(1,673 posts)Impressive first hand accounting of the events leading up to and including the event.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)They got caught trying to overturn the voters and then threw a tantrum.
Just more bullying and rule breaking by the establishment(Clinton) people.
merrily
(45,251 posts)beastie boy
(9,538 posts)What a surprise, an appeal for donations!
Yeah, I am so buying the "thorough and cogent" crap!
drokhole
(1,230 posts)And a point-by-point deconstruction and dismantling, no less!
Thank you for Correcting the Record!
beastie boy
(9,538 posts)I just don't find them compatible with being characterized as cogent. Objective, impartial, balanced, unbiased and reliable aren't exactly the words that jump to mind either.
merrily
(45,251 posts)If you had said he will pocket the money, that would have been more sensible even if baseless. See also Reply 36.
beastie boy
(9,538 posts)events given by the beneficiary of the fundraising effort is not accepted as God's truth???
MMMM-kay!
Who is being silly now?
merrily
(45,251 posts)you are trying to make in your Reply 46. That being the case, your Reply 46 is another silly post. But, if you are that desperate for the last word, it's all yours.
kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)It's a pattern that's repeating around the country. Dirty tricks played and learned from the worst of the Republicans. Hoping to get away with it long enough to get her the nomination. Her crash, when it comes, will be monumental. And her supporters can share the blame.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)behind Hillary come November.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Good luck with that.
Ford_Prefect
(7,927 posts)Pull that Karl Rove crap in NC and you won't leave the room.
RATM435
(392 posts)wallyworld2
(375 posts)....The problem, in Franks view, is not simply that mainstream Democrats have failed to address growing inequality. Instead, he suggests something more sinister: Todays leading Democrats actually dont want to reduce inequality because they believe that inequality is the normal and righteous order of things. As proof, he points to the famously impolitic Larry Summers, whose background as a former president of Harvard, former Treasury secretary and former chief economist of the World Bank embodies all that Frank abhors about modern Democrats. One of the reasons that inequality has probably gone up in our society is that people are being treated closer to the way that theyre supposed to be treated, Summers commented early in the Obama administration.
Remember, as you let that last sentence slide slowly down your throat, that this was a Democrat saying this, - See more at: http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/05/how-democrats-got-to-where-they-are.html#sthash.zQ4Ztptv.dpuf
haikugal
(6,476 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)became the Democratic Party's 2016 nominee the moment she dropped out of the 2008 race. Her appointment as SOS was a down payment. Sanders popularity was unanticipated but has so far been as manageable as fake democracy can be.
wallyworld2
(375 posts)Senator Sanders won't be offered a damn thing if he drops out.
His agenda is not hers.
She would have to tell Goldman Sachs to do more than just to 'knock it off' when it came to swindling working class people and their pensions.
She'll never do that to her big money supporters
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)within the party establishment. The Clinton camp wants to find a shape shifter who sounds like him, is younger and better looking to peddle and polish the image of a kinder, gentler Clinton.
KelleyD
(277 posts)Rules commitee gave the Chairwomen her power to check credintials after the 2nd Tier fiasco of no one checking credentials for Bernie delegate at the Clark County Caucus.. They arrived thinking thet could skate threw at the 3rd Tier (State) and couldn't verify thir credentialsl...Bam! Checking creds was part of the Rules Commitee meetin...remember...50% Bernie...50% Clinton reps.
wallyworld2
(375 posts)Nicole Sandler had this as her topic today and she interviewed a woman named Adryenn Ashley who was there too. http://radioornot.com/blog/5-16-16-nicole-sandler-show-democracy-or-not/
https://twitter.com/adryenn
https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley
drokhole
(1,230 posts)And an even bigger thanks for all your contributions to this thread!
wallyworld2
(375 posts)and trying to figure this place out.
and being a Bernie supporter it's good to see the informative posts on him here
and you being a person who was there, the more connections between the people involved in this ordeal, the better
drokhole
(1,230 posts)Color me impressed by your posts.
And, to clarify, I wasn't there myself, but had found this video posted elsewhere and felt compelled to share it. That radio interview you provided truly was phenomenal, and I recommend anyone reading to also give it a listen (the interview starts up around the 36 minute mark, if I recall). Also, have to give you mad credit for mentioning Thomas Frank and his new book Listen, Liberal...have been devouring his talks and articles on the subject the past few weeks.
It's absolutely astonishing that anyone could stand by, support, and identify with the actions the Democratic party leadership pulled in Nevada this past weekend (along with their vicious attempts at slandering Sanders supporters...would seem not so much 'Correct the Record' as 'Concoct the Record').
wallyworld2
(375 posts)Thomas Frank is outstanding and I am so glad there is an internet to hear people like him.